Guest guest Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:28:12 -0600 " CJsMonnie " <cjshssahm RE: choices The " God put the animals on this earth for us to eat " has gotten to me as of late. My family always said that and then berated me for not being strong enough/human enough. I got mad just last week (or was it this week?) and told them every human AND animal was vegetarian until Adam & Eve got us kicked out of Eden so actually the meat eating people are the ones who aren't strong enough. They cannot resist their base and animalistic impulses and don't take an animal's pain/suffering into consideration. Another argument is " I need meat because I feel weak without it " . That one makes me see redder than red and comes from my Mom! No matter how much tofu and soy info I get .. it's white and smells funny and .. doesn't have blood (fat for my uncle Mr. Scrooge). If only I could afford to live on my own with my son .. It's not just the veganism. Besides the 20+ years of being " too weak " , I've started being attacked for being Jewish too and I'm not even Jewish yet! In the last month, verbal disagreements have gotten out of hand. Hard to make anyone understand when they deliberately blind themselves to everything you say. Best to just let the irrational person go on their merry way and/or ignore them and just keep truckin'. ~CJsMonnie~ My heart goes out to you. Being in constant battle is a huge drain on one's energies. I have a theory that goes back to our school system. As a child the most important thing was not to widen our curiosities and learn to think. It was to " get the right answer. " So much stress (pun again intended) was put on being right and it was such a personal shame to be wrong. And it felt so good (and still does :<() ) to be told you're right. So we look for others to confirm our way of thinking. (An agreeable man is one who agrees with me) That probably doesn't help much now. Are you familiar with the Dale Carnegie books? I took his course and even though I'm still not comfortable speaking before a group, alot of simple wisdom was passed down. " The best way to win an argument is not to get into one " My favorite line was " I can understand how you feel. If I were in your shoes I would also feel that way. " It's really really hard to say with people you feel are putting you down. I suppose you can try a simple " thank you for your concern. I love you too " and then just continue doing what you feel is best for you. Trying to prove you're right or change others just isn't worth all that strife, and probably won't work, as you've already seen. Funny, I'm fighting my own desire to try to convince all of you of how wonderful macrobiotics is. Now in your post I tell myself I would just be doing the same thing. I want to thank all of you for having this site. It's been interesting but a bit overwhelming. I need to get back to having a life away from the computer. One last word (unless the posts that are still on my computer tempt me to answer more). I've been intrigued by all the posts regarding the concern for animals (tho not sure how it started and what white rice had to do with it) but was mostly saddened that most of the posts had to do with the effects on cows and not on the effects of the human animal. When I first started nursing it became clear to me that indeed my milk is the best for my baby and the cow's milk is the best for the calf. But as I read more I realized how much of the many childhood alllergies and ear aches were due to milk. And how much of all processed foods take away what is best in the foods and substitute things that can be harmful, just for the sake of shelf life, taste, convenience, money - none of good enough reason for me to want to eat them. The biggest argument against macrobiotics is that it is time consuming. It's true. But the many stories I have read of so many different sufferings and how a simple diet (where doctors couldn't help) would bring a person not only to health but a great vibrancy that they didn't feel before - well, that and the wonderful philosophy sold me. Like a lot of things in my life, it's a constant challenge and growth experience. But best of all, I love it. If anybody wants to answer, please e-mail me off site, I'd be happy to share. Good luck to everyone - may you all be blessed with wonderful contented lives (not like the Jerseys) Klara The all-new My – What will yours do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 you got it girlfriend. F em' . whatever is good for them, OK, and even if it isn't, we can't change a thing. just live for us and what is good for us, and in the end, who will be smiling??? Blessings, Chanda Hard to make anyone understand when they deliberately blind themselves to everything you say. Best to just let the irrational person go on their merry way and/or ignore them and just keep truckin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 These are really interesting, articulate emails. Klara, I'm sad to see you leave the group. Laura-Marie --- Klara LeVine <klara_levine wrote: > > > Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:28:12 -0600 > " CJsMonnie " <cjshssahm > RE: choices > > The " God put the animals on this earth for us to > eat " has gotten to me > as of > late. My family always said that and then berated me > for not being > strong > enough/human enough. I got mad just last week (or > was it this week?) > and > told them every human AND animal was vegetarian > until Adam & Eve got us > kicked out of Eden so actually the meat eating > people are the ones who > aren't strong enough. They cannot resist their base > and animalistic > impulses > and don't take an animal's pain/suffering into > consideration. > > Another argument is " I need meat because I feel weak > without it " . That > one > makes me see redder than red and comes from my Mom! > No matter how much > tofu > and soy info I get .. it's white and smells funny > and .. doesn't have > blood > (fat for my uncle Mr. Scrooge). If only I could > afford to live on my > own > with my son .. It's not just the veganism. Besides > the 20+ years of > being > " too weak " , I've started being attacked for being > Jewish too and I'm > not > even Jewish yet! In the last month, verbal > disagreements have gotten > out of > hand. > > Hard to make anyone understand when they > deliberately blind themselves > to > everything you say. Best to just let the irrational > person go on their > merry > way and/or ignore them and just keep truckin'. > > ~CJsMonnie~ > > My heart goes out to you. Being in constant battle > is a huge drain on one's energies. > > I have a theory that goes back to our school system. > As a child the most important thing was not to > widen our curiosities and learn to think. It was to > " get the right answer. " So much stress (pun again > intended) was put on being right and it was such a > personal shame to be wrong. And it felt so good > (and still does :<() ) to be told you're right. So > we look for others to confirm our way of thinking. > (An agreeable man is one who agrees with me) > > That probably doesn't help much now. Are you > familiar with the Dale Carnegie books? I took his > course and even though I'm still not comfortable > speaking before a group, alot of simple wisdom was > passed down. " The best way to win an argument is > not to get into one " My favorite line was " I can > understand how you feel. If I were in your shoes I > would also feel that way. " It's really really hard > to say with people you feel are putting you down. I > suppose you can try a simple " thank you for your > concern. I love you too " and then just continue > doing what you feel is best for you. Trying to > prove you're right or change others just isn't worth > all that strife, and probably won't work, as you've > already seen. > > Funny, I'm fighting my own desire to try to convince > all of you of how wonderful macrobiotics is. Now in > your post I tell myself I would just be doing the > same thing. I want to thank all of you for having > this site. It's been interesting but a bit > overwhelming. I need to get back to having a life > away from the computer. > > One last word (unless the posts that are still on my > computer tempt me to answer more). I've been > intrigued by all the posts regarding the concern for > animals (tho not sure how it started and what white > rice had to do with it) but was mostly saddened that > most of the posts had to do with the effects on cows > and not on the effects of the human animal. When I > first started nursing it became clear to me that > indeed my milk is the best for my baby and the cow's > milk is the best for the calf. But as I read more I > realized how much of the many childhood alllergies > and ear aches were due to milk. And how much of all > processed foods take away what is best in the foods > and substitute things that can be harmful, just for > the sake of shelf life, taste, convenience, money - > none of good enough reason for me to want to eat > them. > > The biggest argument against macrobiotics is that it > is time consuming. It's true. But the many stories > I have read of so many different sufferings and how > a simple diet (where doctors couldn't help) would > bring a person not only to health but a great > vibrancy that they didn't feel before - well, that > and the wonderful philosophy sold me. Like a lot of > things in my life, it's a constant challenge and > growth experience. But best of all, I love it. > > If anybody wants to answer, please e-mail me off > site, I'd be happy to share. > > Good luck to everyone - may you all be blessed with > wonderful contented lives (not like the Jerseys) > > Klara > > > > > The all-new My – What will yours do? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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