Violent Reactions

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Hi Lesley

 

I must say that I think you would be very wrong to spray anyone in the face, or even to be rude to someone who is smoking, as they are not breaking the law. I think if you did that you would stand a good chance of being put in prison (the judiciary system in Britain is hard on women offenders) and then your children would be temporarily without a mum.

 

I feel that your stress levels must be very high, and would fear dying from the effects of that far more than any eating habits or smoking or drinking. Might it be a good idea to take up meditation, or Tai Chi, or even go for counselling. Life is very difficult - it is not necessary to make it more difficult for yourself, or others.

 

Jo

 

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Lesley Dove

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:56 AM

RE: I agree but

 

 

I'm getting almost past the stage of being peaceful with smokers, I'm even considering getting a pepper/tear gas spray and to hell with the fact that it is illegal in the UK (we have very little right to protect ourselves effectively from violent antisocial freaks in this country), to spray on smokers when they make me ill and are refusing to stub it out. If they are unreasonable, it's just a matter of self-defence, not attack as I see it since they are hurting me. They need to know the pain they are causing and maybe mace would just give them some idea of how second hand smoke inhalation feels to a sensitive person.

 

I am considering a violent solution to the assault on my lungs in future because I was punched in the face for complaining about a smoker the other day so no more Mrs Peaceful Dove after the way I have suffered. I wouldn't carry a gun or a knife though, that would be taking it too far! I had a bad headache and blurred vision from being punched and had a bruised eyebrow and forehead. I was feeling so ill for days because the smoke had already caused me breathing trouble when I complained so I was wheezy for ages. My attacker has not been caught, the police are pretty hopeless. I will of course press charges if she is caught. Considering the circumstances that I was sitting down struggling to breathe when I was punched it was a particularly cowardly and callous attack. It was obvious to this woman that I was not in a position to fight back. I ended up behaving badly on the other vegan group just very soon after the attack and I think I was in a slightly confused state at the time, so that the balance of my mind was disturbed, but I still got banned from the group.

 

Tobacco is not really an addiction, I don't believe in it as an addiction anyway. I think smokers just say that as an excuse, but it's all in their minds and it's just a habit that people choose to do because some people like to annoy other people, that is why youngsters start usually, to rebel and annoy someone, that is the true nature of the smoker. My dad and my gran had no problem quitting when I was young, and there were no nicotine chewing gums or patches then (people are spoilt these days!), they just quit on their own because they realised it was a deadly habit. I was proud of them both. Nowadays smokers whinge about how hard it is to quit, I'm sick of that, they don't know how lucky they are to get so much help on the health service, and to get their self-inflicted illnesses treated. I also don't think people like George Best and Larry Hagman (alcohol abusers) deserve new livers, if they don't care about their own that they are born with, and drink as much as thery did they should be low priority for transplants, I think, after children and people who could not have prevented their illness.

The innocent victims should be helped more, the woman who hit me had most likely been drinking anyway, so much mindless violence is alcohol related, that has innocent victims too.

 

I'm sorry that dairy made you ill, I'm glad it didn't affect me at all that way since I was already suffering from the smoke, but I guess we all have our own unique set of sensitivities and allergies. I can eat anything which most people class as food without any trouble, even as a meat-eater I never had constipation or any food allergies. I just choose veganism on ethical grounds.

 

I think a food allergy would be easier to manage than a tobacco smoke allergy because many people think I am faking it. That is hard to handle. I've heard of someone else whose doctor said he was more likely allergic to cats or mold, when he complained that tobacco smoke affected him badly, I don't know why doctors should be so sceptical about this problem and try to blame other things.

 

I even got accused behind my back of being "unsociable" in one animal rights group because I would not go in the smoky pub after protests with them, how unfair is that? They knew I couldn't bear being around smoke, and were not very understanding of my sensitivity.

It's very inconsistent that they were against making animals smoke in lab experimenrts but wanted me to be forced to breathe in secondary smoke as a prerequisite to being a fully accepted one of their crowd. I guess social coercion to accept something damaging and unhealthy is OK with some AR people, because it's not actual force. I don't see it as the right way to treat one of your supposed friends.

 

Lesley

 

 

B. B. [ibyza2001]19 August 2002 18:35 Subject: I agree but

 

 

I agree fully that we can not go to a demo. and smoke, true!

But many of us have been sick on dairy, egg and milk (I had no smokers around luckily in that remote place I lived in in that times)

This can be fully demonstrated too, so first danger tabacoo OK

2nd meet

3rd dairy & eggs

But I guess it depends on individuals' reaction and on beeing coherent, LET'S EVOLUTE & PUT A PECEFUL END TO SMOKE ADDICTION

 

>"Lesley Dove"

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>RE: Re: milk sucksssssssss >Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:26:19 +0100 > > >Is it worth AR people smoking though if the smokers on demos and marches put >people who are sensitive like me off going? It makes me so ill, that I am >considering not going on a march again if I have to be surrounded by >cigarette smoke, I felt very sick on the demo in London and after outside >the pub, some of it might have been the car fumes in London but experience >has taught me that tobacco smoke affects me worse! I'm nmo use to anyone >I believe demos and protests for the animals should be strictly non-smoking >affairs, it creates a very bad impression on the public to have people >smoking. We have to present a nice clean living image. > >Dairy cows have no reason to feel let down by me, I am an ethical vegan and >will always promote veganism on animal rights grounds but I will not make >what I believe to be false claims about giving up dairy leading to improved >health and less mucus for instance, because in my experience it made no >difference to my health except mentally to my conscience and peace of mind. >My mucus and chest and head problems remained until I was able to live away >from second hand smoke. > >Lesley > > > cathyjupp [cj] > 19 August 2002 13:29 > > Re: milk sucksssssssss > > > > > BUT I will > > speak out when I see the vegan movement undermining anti-tobacco > campaigning > > by overstating the role of dairy in cancers. > > That would be overstating IN YOUR OPINION, would it? 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