Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Here's the response from zandria72 re my last post ;-) Sadly doesn't seem to have as yet caught up with the changes made to her membership, so she's still having trouble posting. Meanwhile, I'm pleased to pass on the rejected-by- message that she kindly forwarded to me. Dear dear , it can be sooooo temperamental, can't it! (And yes, it does sometimes take several days for their computers to catch up with changes made.) Okay: Here's the message: Pat wrote: >Do I take it that since you have mentioned him in two separate emails regarding this 'fat' study, that you don't think much of Dr Ornish's theories and diet? Is that because you think that it is too hard to follow, or is it because you think it is ineffective, or is it because you don't think a low-fat or fat-free diet is a good thing in general? Just wondering - just asking - not trying to put you on the spot ;-) I'm ambivalent, I guess. I think it's hard to follow. Unless you really like cooking (and have time to do so), your diet is going to be very boring and repetitive. I was privy to partake of a meal with the Ornish group at a hospital in Des Moines (where I did an internship in the cardiac rehab dept), and it was fairly tasty - but lots of work. Many favorite foods are likely to get eliminated - not reduced, but completely eliminated. That's hard for most people to do. There are also many stories out there from people who tried and tried with a low-fat vegetarian diet, and they were hungry all the time or couldn't lose weight. Different people seem to need different things. I think that the principle might be solid (and advisable for people with significant heart disease), but it just doesn't work for everyone. I also met Dr. Ornish once, at a book signing. It was a long time ago, but I still remember it negatively. I think I asked him a pointed question (don't recall what), and he wasn't happy about it. I also brought an old copy of one of his books instead of buying one of the new ones there, and he didn't seem to pleased about that either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Zandria72 (Suzanne) wrote, re Dr Ornish's plan: > I think it's hard to follow. Unless you really like cooking (and have > time to do so), your diet is going to be very boring and repetitive. Well, I think that's true of most eating plans that are not dependent on fast food and pre- packaged meals from the supermarket. >I was privy to partake of > a meal with the Ornish group at a hospital in Des Moines (where I did an internship in the > cardiac rehab dept) You are a cardiologist? Or, no, I guess not - another kind of 'internship'? > and it was fairly tasty - but lots of work. Yeah, no pain no gain. And I could repeat what I said above ;-) > Many favorite foods are likely > to get eliminated - not reduced, but completely eliminated. That's hard for most people to do. I guess for one's heart's sake one would have to learn to develop new favourites, eh? >There are also many stories out there from people who tried and tried with a low-fat > vegetarian diet, and they were hungry all the time or couldn't lose weight. Oh you seem to have forgotten that this is a low-fat vegetarian group! LOL Many of us eat vegetarian - even vegan - as a regular thing and low- or no-fat and we don't find it difficult at all. If you do, as a vegetarian (are you now?), then you need nicer recipes!!! ;-) We can help. There's more to it all than simple boiling or steaming - herbs and spices and unusual combinations of vegetables, vegetables with grains, beans, etc., all can help a lot to make a vegan diet exciting! > Different people > seem to need different things. I think that the principle might be solid (and advisable for > people with significant heart disease), but it just doesn't work for everyone. Can't speak to that - I haven't studied it. You seem to speak from experience here. > I also met Dr. Ornish once, at a book signing. It was a long time ago, but I still remember > it negatively. I think I asked him a pointed question (don't recall what), and he wasn't > happy about it. I also brought an old copy of one of his books instead of buying one of the > new ones there, and he didn't seem to pleased about that either. LOL Personal prob with him, I see ;-) That can sour you if you can't get past it I guess. I've never met him of course, so again can't comment. Interesting anecdote - esp. about the old copy of his book! Okay, Suzanne. Thanks very much for telling us all this - that helps to know where you're coming from. I'm neither defending nor advocating the Ornish plan, but I am not happy about something like that being swept aside without proper consideration. There are several groups on for those who follow the Ornish plan, I see. Now don't all rush off at once - and DON'T leave this group if you do!! <grins wickedly to think what she'll do to keep you all here!> Best love, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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