Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Chandelle' - Have you any experience using or recommending the supplemental systems like Medela's SNS or the Lact-Aid? I used these with dd since we did adoptive breastfeeding and she needed about 4 oz. per day more than I could make for her. I can't give high enough praise for how they work with the skin-to-skin contact and bonding. They are said to be good for nipple confusion if that is a problem. I don't know if this would be painful for someone with your problems but was wondering if you knew about the devcies. Some of the LLL people I spoke with weren't familiar with them. We used the Baby's Own Toddler Formula for awhile after age one (dd weaned herself at 11 months and I didn't force the issue though now I wished I had). Somehow I had gotten confused and thought the non- organic mainstream baby soy formulas had fish oil in them for the EFA's and that Baby's Own was vegan. But, I searched the Baby's Own website recently and they say differently. They claim infant formulas use algae and fungal oils which would make them veg*n with the exception of vitamins, etc. Baby's own uses egg as their EFA source because they say the algae oil is harvested using hexane. Wow, I have been intermittently using an algae DHA vegan capsule and am worried about hexane now. Anyone know anything about this? I have seen ads for the new Baby's Own INFANT Formula but it still isn't on their website. So, I guess it is available and I'll pass the word to friends to have the co-op order it. There are vegan infant formulas in England. I don't know if they are available in Canada. The shipping was cost prohibitive for us. I can't remember the name but I think it starts with " F " and I don't know the organic status. It is a pea based formula so does away with both the dairy and soy concerns. I agree 100% about donated breastmilk. We had only one donor lined up but she ended up on anti- depressants and we chose not to follow through. Prior to adopting, I spoke with a registered dietician since the birth father requested it (birthmother is vegetarian and would like to be vegan but birthfather is hard-core omni). I had every intention of using goat's milk if soy was not tolerated. She said that the solute load was too high and goat's milk can damage the kidneys. I have since found this in some of my research. Of course, you can find contradictory info everywhere. It may be worth it to do some research on this before pursuing it. I think it's great that you are pursuing IBCLC. Even the LLL members in our natural mothers/AP group are omnis and laugh at me. And, the lactation consultant at the hospital was so full of herself... I think you will make a great consultant - you seem to really put your all into your research. What a great resource for other veg*ns you may work with. Carrol , chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > >> > that being said, i have been unable to nurse either of my children, even > though i have worked as a lactation educator for 2 years and have been > studying to become an IBCLC someday as well, and even though i worked with > the best IBCLCs and LLL leaders in my area. it was a devaststing experience > for me, both times, because i wanted to nurse more than anything and i put > an incredible amount of effort into it, so much that my nipples are > permanently scarred. but it just didn't happen. my daughter willow is just > over 3 months now and she is primarily on donated breastmilk, so i would > advise that first. many women don't realize that's an option. > though i have to give her milk or formula in a bottle, i do everything i can > to replicate the breastfeeding experience by holding her close, skin-to-skin > as much as possible, not engaging in anything else while she eats, and > never, ever propping bottles or otherwise separating her experience of > eating from being bonded to me. > > you can get that > donated milk or even just supplement with formula if you have to. the > important thing is that your baby gets SOME breastmilk if you can possibly > manage it. > >> people will suggest making your own formula from goat's milk, but it is an > expensive endeavor and is not, IMO, after doing a lot of research, > particularly safe. > > no matter what kind of > dangers come with isolated soy protein, it will always be better, to me, > than the pesticides, herbicides, hormones, antibiotics, and everything else > in cow's milk, > , i use an organic soy formula from > baby's only. it is made from brown rice syrup rather than corn syrup. > oh, ok, one more thing. as of yet, to the best of my knowledge, there are > no soy formulas that are completely vegan. at least the vitamin b2, or is > it b3? are from animal sources. so, that sucks. but at least it's not > cow's milk. > > chandelle' > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 i actually do use the toddler formula. i compared the nutrients in the toddler formula to the regular infant stuff (not baby's only, but something like enfamil) and they were exactly the same, maybe off a percentage point or two. if you look on a can of the toddler stuff, they state that because breastfeeding is ideal for the first year of life they do not make an infant formula. but it's the same, so i think it's mainly them making a statement. which is great! but this works fine for us. i told our pediatrician what we were using and showed her the can and she said it was ok, especially since willow is still getting so much breastmilk from healthy mothers. i did attempt to use an SNS with willow but it didn't work for a lot of different reasons. i did use one with my son and highly recommend them. even though willow is 3 mos. old now, i still try to put her to the breast with and without the SNS. that's so amazing that you were able to use them with your daughter! i always encourage adoptive moms to use them; even if inducing lactation doesn't work out, the closeness is so important, especially with children coming from trauma. my experience trying to breastfeed willow was very complicated, but here's the story if you're interested: http://hiccuprevolutionarywords.blogspot.com/2007/01/willows-not-breastfeeding-s\ tory.html chandelle' On 3/5/07, rtillmansmail <rtillmansmail wrote: > > > Chandelle' - Have you any experience using or recommending the > supplemental systems like Medela's SNS or the Lact-Aid? I used these > with dd since we did adoptive breastfeeding and she needed about 4 > oz. per day more than I could make for her. I can't give high enough > praise for how they work with the skin-to-skin contact and bonding. > They are said to be good for nipple confusion if that is a problem. I > don't know if this would be painful for someone with your problems > but was wondering if you knew about the devcies. Some of the LLL > people I spoke with weren't familiar with them. > > > We used the Baby's Own Toddler Formula for awhile after age one (dd > weaned herself at 11 months and I didn't force the issue though now I > wished I had). Somehow I had gotten confused and thought the non- > organic mainstream baby soy formulas had fish oil in them for the > EFA's and that Baby's Own was vegan. But, I searched the Baby's Own > website recently and they say differently. They claim infant formulas > use algae and fungal oils which would make them veg*n with the > exception of vitamins, etc. Baby's own uses egg as their EFA source > because they say the algae oil is harvested using hexane. Wow, I have > been intermittently using an algae DHA vegan capsule and am worried > about hexane now. Anyone know anything about this? > > I have seen ads for the new Baby's Own INFANT Formula but it still > isn't on their website. So, I guess it is available and I'll pass the > word to friends to have the co-op order it. > > There are vegan infant formulas in England. I don't know if they are > available in Canada. The shipping was cost prohibitive for us. I > can't remember the name but I think it starts with " F " and I don't > know the organic status. It is a pea based formula so does away with > both the dairy and soy concerns. I agree 100% about donated > breastmilk. We had only one donor lined up but she ended up on anti- > depressants and we chose not to follow through. > > Prior to adopting, I spoke with a registered dietician since the > birth father requested it (birthmother is vegetarian and would like > to be vegan but birthfather is hard-core omni). I had every intention > of using goat's milk if soy was not tolerated. She said that the > solute load was too high and goat's milk can damage the kidneys. I > have since found this in some of my research. Of course, you can find > contradictory info everywhere. It may be worth it to do some research > on this before pursuing it. > > I think it's great that you are pursuing IBCLC. Even the LLL members > in our natural mothers/AP group are omnis and laugh at me. And, the > lactation consultant at the hospital was so full of herself... I > think you will make a great consultant - you seem to really put your > all into your research. What a great resource for other veg*ns you > may work with. > > Carrol > > > > > , chandelle' <earthmother213 > wrote: > > > >> > > that being said, i have been unable to nurse either of my children, > even > > though i have worked as a lactation educator for 2 years and have > been > > studying to become an IBCLC someday as well, and even though i > worked with > > the best IBCLCs and LLL leaders in my area. it was a devaststing > experience > > for me, both times, because i wanted to nurse more than anything > and i put > > an incredible amount of effort into it, so much that my nipples are > > permanently scarred. but it just didn't happen. my daughter > willow is just > > over 3 months now and she is primarily on donated breastmilk, so i > would > > advise that first. many women don't realize that's an option. > > though i have to give her milk or formula in a bottle, i do > everything i can > > > to replicate the breastfeeding experience by holding her close, > skin-to-skin > > as much as possible, not engaging in anything else while she eats, > and > > never, ever propping bottles or otherwise separating her experience > of > > eating from being bonded to me. > > > > you can get that > > donated milk or even just supplement with formula if you have to. > the > > important thing is that your baby gets SOME breastmilk if you can > possibly > > manage it. > > > >> people will suggest making your own formula from goat's milk, but > it is an > > expensive endeavor and is not, IMO, after doing a lot of research, > > particularly safe. > > > > no matter what kind of > > dangers come with isolated soy protein, it will always be better, > to me, > > than the pesticides, herbicides, hormones, antibiotics, and > everything else > > in cow's milk, > > > > , i use an organic soy formula from > > baby's only. it is made from brown rice syrup rather than corn > syrup. > > > > oh, ok, one more thing. as of yet, to the best of my knowledge, > there are > > no soy formulas that are completely vegan. at least the vitamin > b2, or is > > it b3? are from animal sources. so, that sucks. but at least > it's not > > cow's milk. > > > > chandelle' > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 With all the label reading I do, I feel very stupid right now. I never even thought to read the label while dd was an infant. I did talk to a rep and some employees at the cooperative. I was told that the liablilty issue for an infant formula was too high and no one was interested in pursuing that. Just never thought to read the label because mainstream toddler formula is supposedly different. And of course it makes sense that it would be fine as a breast milk supplement. Thanks for the tip, I will certainly pass it along. I have seen ads for a brand new INFANT formula by Baby's Own - in a red or maroon label (?). Just haven't seen the product. Carrol -- In , chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > > i actually do use the toddler formula. i compared the nutrients in the > toddler formula to the regular infant stuff (not baby's only, but something > like enfamil) and they were exactly the same, maybe off a percentage point > or two. if you look on a can of the toddler stuff, they state that because > breastfeeding is ideal for the first year of life they do not make an infant > formula. but it's the same, so i think it's mainly them making a > statement. which is great! but this works fine for us. i told our > pediatrician what we were using and showed her the can and she said it was > ok, especially since willow is still getting so much breastmilk from healthy > mothers. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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