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Hi,

 

A little off topice but not really since land use and environment are

inseperable.

 

I got to see Al Gore last night at University of Toronto! He was amazing! He was

such a fantastic speaker - dynamic, interesting, funny. I'm renewing my efforts

to be more environmentally consciouss!! We are pretty good at home but there is

always so much more we can do.

 

Paula

 

 

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Awesome! And you're definitely right, there's always more to do. :)

 

PAULA JOHNSON TEW <johnsontew wrote:

Hi,

 

A little off topice but not really since land use and environment are

inseperable.

 

I got to see Al Gore last night at University of Toronto! He was amazing! He

was such a fantastic speaker - dynamic, interesting, funny. I'm renewing my

efforts to be more environmentally consciouss!! We are pretty good at home but

there is always so much more we can do.

 

Paula

 

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Seeing that movie really changed my world perspective. I loved how passionate he

was and would love love love to see him in person presenting that information.

I'm so jealous!

 

 

 

 

Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse

 

Life is an adventure in forgiveness.

Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990)

 

 

 

 

 

PAULA JOHNSON TEW <johnsontew

Vegetarian Parents

Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:30:42 AM

An Inconvenient Truth

 

Hi,

 

A little off topice but not really since land use and environment are

inseperable.

 

I got to see Al Gore last night at University of Toronto! He was amazing! He was

such a fantastic speaker - dynamic, interesting, funny. I'm renewing my efforts

to be more environmentally consciouss!! We are pretty good at home but there is

always so much more we can do.

 

Paula

 

 

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I like Al Gore but as an ardent enviro, myself , I was very

disappointed at the overt omission of factory farmings contribution to

global warming .The UN recently released a report regarding livestock

farming and its major impact onclimate change .

here is a link to the report ;

http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/A0701E00.htm

 

here are a few excerpts from a site I like ;

 

United Nations report has identified the world’s rapidly growing

herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and

wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental

crimes, from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from

producing deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning

rivers and drinking water to destroying coral reefs.

 

The 400-page report by the Food and Agricultural Organisation,

entitled Livestock’s Long Shadow, also surveys the damage done by

sheep, chickens, pigs and goats. But in almost every case, the world’s

1.5 billion cattle are most to blame. - Independent

 

" A few shocking facts from the Livestock’s Long Shadow Report:

 

Livestock are responsible for 18 per cent of the greenhouse gases that

cause global warming, more than cars, planes and all other forms of

transport put together.

Burning fuel to produce fertiliser to grow feed, to produce meat and

to transport it - and clearing vegetation for grazing - produces 9 per

cent of all emissions of carbon dioxide.

Their wind and manure emit more than one third of emissions of

methane, which warms the world 20 times faster than carbon dioxide.

Livestock produces more than 100 other polluting gases, including more

than two-thirds of the world’s emissions of ammonia, one of the main

causes of acid rain.

Ranching is “the major driver of deforestation” worldwide.

Overgrazing is turning a fifth of all pastures and ranges into desert.

Cows soak up vast amounts of water: it takes a staggering 990 litres

of water to produce one litre of milk.

Wastes from feedlots and fertilisers used to grow their feed

overnourish water, causing weeds to choke all other life.

Pesticides, antibiotics and hormones used to treat them get into

drinking water and endanger human health.

The pollution washes down to the sea, killing coral reefs and

creating “dead zones” devoid of life.

The report concludes that, unless drastic changes are made, the

massive damage done by livestock will more than double by 2050, as

demand for meat increases.

 

Essentially, by reducing or eliminating our appetite for meat, vast

tracts of land that are now straining under hooves and chemicals could

be returned to their natural carbon-absorbing state, and much needed

biodiversity can be returned. This includes not just the land cattle

roam on, but the huge tracts of land used for growing livestock feed.

Rainforests would no longer ‘need’ to be cut down, and the huge

amounts of energy consumed in meat production can be diverted to more

productive activities.

 

In all, livestock production accounts for 70 percent of all

agricultural land and 30 percent of the land surface of the planet.

Expansion of livestock production is a key factor in deforestation,

especially in Latin America where the greatest amount of deforestation

is occurring – 70 percent of previous forested land in the Amazon is

occupied by pastures, and feedcrops cover a large part of the

remainder.

 

I’ll repeat that - livestock production ”takes up 30 percent of the

land surface of the planet.” That’s a lot of polluting, consuming,

baggage we’re carrying. Yes, we need to get rid of our incandescent

light bulbs and our gas-guzzling SUV’s - but let’s also consider the

impact of what we put on our plate "

http://www.celsias.com/blog/2006/12/11/the-cow-public-enemy-number-one/

The UN report just confirms what enviros have long known, so Als

omission is a bit disenhartening esp. since he titled his doc " An

inconvienant truth " I think that perhaps his penchant for meat keeps

him avoiding the issue .It seems sadly ironic to me .I understand that

he does have a single page on 'eating less meat ' on his site but I

have not visited .

If youd like to measure your enviromental footprint upon the planet

there is a great site where you may do so ;

http://www.earthday.net/footprint/index.asp

 

Im not trying to cause a fuss or being nasty - just stating a truth

that the vast majority of Americans want to avoid .I like Al Gore and

I appreciate his efforts :)

I hope that he starts telling the Entire truth though, as it does have

a tremendous impact .

Teresa

 

here is a link to the report ;

 

 

 

-

Jess <veg4animals2006

Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:18 pm

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

 

 

> Seeing that movie really changed my world perspective. I loved how

> passionate he was and would love love love to see him in person

> presenting that information. I'm so jealous!

>

>

>

>

> Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse

>

> Life is an adventure in forgiveness.

> Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990)

>

>

>

>

>

> PAULA JOHNSON TEW <johnsontew

> Vegetarian Parents

> Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:30:42 AM

> An Inconvenient Truth

>

> Hi,

>

> A little off topice but not really since land use and environment

> are inseperable.

>

> I got to see Al Gore last night at University of Toronto! He was

> amazing! He was such a fantastic speaker - dynamic, interesting,

> funny. I'm renewing my efforts to be more environmentally

> consciouss!! We are pretty good at home but there is always so

> much more we can do.

>

> Paula

>

>

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Hi,

 

I agree that the omission is a disappointment. I always get frustrated with the

" environmental scientists, " " ecotourism experts/advocates, " et cetera at work

who consume meat and don't give it a second thought. Who don't even consider the

impacts of their lifestyle.

 

I am wondering if it would have turned off many people, caused them not to

listen, if their beloved diet was criticised. We see how defensive people get

about what they eat. Baby steps....

 

Al Gore did mention that if we are overwhelmed then our reaction is often to

give up/not think about it. It's something to do with the way our brains are

wired...why we can be scared of snakes but not take any action on climate change

even though climate change is a much scarier thing. I'm not saying that it was

even part of the thought process but it may have made the entire argument

" unpalatable " to the avereage person.

 

Thanks for the link etc. I always like to have this stuff in my futile attempts

to talk reason with my colleagues.

 

Paula

 

 

 

" outonalimb " <outonalimb

 

Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:37:46 PM

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

 

 

I like Al Gore but as an ardent enviro, myself , I was very

disappointed at the overt omission of factory farmings contribution to

global warming .The UN recently released a report regarding livestock

farming and its major impact onclimate change .

here is a link to the report ;

http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/A0701E00.htm

 

here are a few excerpts from a site I like ;

 

United Nations report has identified the world’s rapidly growing

herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and

wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental

crimes, from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from

producing deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning

rivers and drinking water to destroying coral reefs.

 

The 400-page report by the Food and Agricultural Organisation,

entitled Livestock’s Long Shadow, also surveys the damage done by

sheep, chickens, pigs and goats. But in almost every case, the world’s

1.5 billion cattle are most to blame. - Independent

 

" A few shocking facts from the Livestock’s Long Shadow Report:

 

Livestock are responsible for 18 per cent of the greenhouse gases that

cause global warming, more than cars, planes and all other forms of

transport put together.

Burning fuel to produce fertiliser to grow feed, to produce meat and

to transport it - and clearing vegetation for grazing - produces 9 per

cent of all emissions of carbon dioxide.

Their wind and manure emit more than one third of emissions of

methane, which warms the world 20 times faster than carbon dioxide.

Livestock produces more than 100 other polluting gases, including more

than two-thirds of the world’s emissions of ammonia, one of the main

causes of acid rain.

Ranching is “the major driver of deforestation” worldwide.

Overgrazing is turning a fifth of all pastures and ranges into desert.

Cows soak up vast amounts of water: it takes a staggering 990 litres

of water to produce one litre of milk.

Wastes from feedlots and fertilisers used to grow their feed

overnourish water, causing weeds to choke all other life.

Pesticides, antibiotics and hormones used to treat them get into

drinking water and endanger human health.

The pollution washes down to the sea, killing coral reefs and

creating “dead zones” devoid of life.

The report concludes that, unless drastic changes are made, the

massive damage done by livestock will more than double by 2050, as

demand for meat increases.

 

Essentially, by reducing or eliminating our appetite for meat, vast

tracts of land that are now straining under hooves and chemicals could

be returned to their natural carbon-absorbing state, and much needed

biodiversity can be returned. This includes not just the land cattle

roam on, but the huge tracts of land used for growing livestock feed.

Rainforests would no longer ‘need’ to be cut down, and the huge

amounts of energy consumed in meat production can be diverted to more

productive activities.

 

In all, livestock production accounts for 70 percent of all

agricultural land and 30 percent of the land surface of the planet.

Expansion of livestock production is a key factor in deforestation,

especially in Latin America where the greatest amount of deforestation

is occurring – 70 percent of previous forested land in the Amazon is

occupied by pastures, and feedcrops cover a large part of the

remainder.

 

I’ll repeat that - livestock production ”takes up 30 percent of the

land surface of the planet.” That’s a lot of polluting, consuming,

baggage we’re carrying. Yes, we need to get rid of our incandescent

light bulbs and our gas-guzzling SUV’s - but let’s also consider the

impact of what we put on our plate "

http://www.celsias.com/blog/2006/12/11/the-cow-public-enemy-number-one/

The UN report just confirms what enviros have long known, so Als

omission is a bit disenhartening esp. since he titled his doc " An

inconvienant truth " I think that perhaps his penchant for meat keeps

him avoiding the issue .It seems sadly ironic to me .I understand that

he does have a single page on 'eating less meat ' on his site but I

have not visited .

If youd like to measure your enviromental footprint upon the planet

there is a great site where you may do so ;

http://www.earthday.net/footprint/index.asp

 

Im not trying to cause a fuss or being nasty - just stating a truth

that the vast majority of Americans want to avoid .I like Al Gore and

I appreciate his efforts :)

I hope that he starts telling the Entire truth though, as it does have

a tremendous impact .

Teresa

 

here is a link to the report ;

 

 

 

-

Jess <veg4animals2006

Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:18 pm

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

 

 

> Seeing that movie really changed my world perspective. I loved how

> passionate he was and would love love love to see him in person

> presenting that information. I'm so jealous!

>

>

>

>

> Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse

>

> Life is an adventure in forgiveness.

> Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990)

>

>

>

>

>

> PAULA JOHNSON TEW <johnsontew

> Vegetarian Parents

> Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:30:42 AM

> An Inconvenient Truth

>

> Hi,

>

> A little off topice but not really since land use and environment

> are inseperable.

>

> I got to see Al Gore last night at University of Toronto! He was

> amazing! He was such a fantastic speaker - dynamic, interesting,

> funny. I'm renewing my efforts to be more environmentally

> consciouss!! We are pretty good at home but there is always so

> much more we can do.

>

> Paula

>

>

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Wow, I'd never seen the statistics like that. I knew eating meat was bad for the

planet but that's amazing how very huge it is.

 

I'm so out of the loop, I don't even know when the next presidential election

is!! I voted in the last one but I never even know what day it is, much less how

long ago I did something... I should start reading the news... Who the heck is

Al Gore, anyway? Just kidding. My news research is limited to Fark.com! :) (not

kidding)

 

outonalimb wrote: I like Al Gore but as an ardent enviro, myself , I

was very

disappointed at the overt omission of factory farmings contribution to

global warming .The UN recently released a report regarding livestock

farming and its major impact onclimate change .

here is a link to the report ;

http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/A0701E00.htm

 

here are a few excerpts from a site I like ;

 

United Nations report has identified the world’s rapidly growing

herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and

wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental

crimes, from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from

producing deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning

rivers and drinking water to destroying coral reefs.

 

The 400-page report by the Food and Agricultural Organisation,

entitled Livestock’s Long Shadow, also surveys the damage done by

sheep, chickens, pigs and goats. But in almost every case, the world’s

1.5 billion cattle are most to blame. - Independent

 

" A few shocking facts from the Livestock’s Long Shadow Report:

 

Livestock are responsible for 18 per cent of the greenhouse gases that

cause global warming, more than cars, planes and all other forms of

transport put together.

Burning fuel to produce fertiliser to grow feed, to produce meat and

to transport it - and clearing vegetation for grazing - produces 9 per

cent of all emissions of carbon dioxide.

Their wind and manure emit more than one third of emissions of

methane, which warms the world 20 times faster than carbon dioxide.

Livestock produces more than 100 other polluting gases, including more

than two-thirds of the world’s emissions of ammonia, one of the main

causes of acid rain.

Ranching is “the major driver of deforestation” worldwide.

Overgrazing is turning a fifth of all pastures and ranges into desert.

Cows soak up vast amounts of water: it takes a staggering 990 litres

of water to produce one litre of milk.

Wastes from feedlots and fertilisers used to grow their feed

overnourish water, causing weeds to choke all other life.

Pesticides, antibiotics and hormones used to treat them get into

drinking water and endanger human health.

The pollution washes down to the sea, killing coral reefs and

creating “dead zones” devoid of life.

The report concludes that, unless drastic changes are made, the

massive damage done by livestock will more than double by 2050, as

demand for meat increases.

 

Essentially, by reducing or eliminating our appetite for meat, vast

tracts of land that are now straining under hooves and chemicals could

be returned to their natural carbon-absorbing state, and much needed

biodiversity can be returned. This includes not just the land cattle

roam on, but the huge tracts of land used for growing livestock feed.

Rainforests would no longer ‘need’ to be cut down, and the huge

amounts of energy consumed in meat production can be diverted to more

productive activities.

 

In all, livestock production accounts for 70 percent of all

agricultural land and 30 percent of the land surface of the planet.

Expansion of livestock production is a key factor in deforestation,

especially in Latin America where the greatest amount of deforestation

is occurring – 70 percent of previous forested land in the Amazon is

occupied by pastures, and feedcrops cover a large part of the

remainder.

 

I’ll repeat that - livestock production ”takes up 30 percent of the

land surface of the planet.” That’s a lot of polluting, consuming,

baggage we’re carrying. Yes, we need to get rid of our incandescent

light bulbs and our gas-guzzling SUV’s - but let’s also consider the

impact of what we put on our plate "

http://www.celsias.com/blog/2006/12/11/the-cow-public-enemy-number-one/

The UN report just confirms what enviros have long known, so Als

omission is a bit disenhartening esp. since he titled his doc " An

inconvienant truth " I think that perhaps his penchant for meat keeps

him avoiding the issue .It seems sadly ironic to me .I understand that

he does have a single page on 'eating less meat ' on his site but I

have not visited .

If youd like to measure your enviromental footprint upon the planet

there is a great site where you may do so ;

http://www.earthday.net/footprint/index.asp

 

Im not trying to cause a fuss or being nasty - just stating a truth

that the vast majority of Americans want to avoid .I like Al Gore and

I appreciate his efforts :)

I hope that he starts telling the Entire truth though, as it does have

a tremendous impact .

Teresa

 

here is a link to the report ;

 

 

 

-

Jess

Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:18 pm

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

 

 

> Seeing that movie really changed my world perspective. I loved how

> passionate he was and would love love love to see him in person

> presenting that information. I'm so jealous!

>

>

>

>

> Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse

>

> Life is an adventure in forgiveness.

> Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990)

>

>

>

>

>

> PAULA JOHNSON TEW

> Vegetarian Parents

> Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:30:42 AM

> An Inconvenient Truth

>

> Hi,

>

> A little off topice but not really since land use and environment

> are inseperable.

>

> I got to see Al Gore last night at University of Toronto! He was

> amazing! He was such a fantastic speaker - dynamic, interesting,

> funny. I'm renewing my efforts to be more environmentally

> consciouss!! We are pretty good at home but there is always so

> much more we can do.

>

> Paula

>

>

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Okay, this inspired me to send an e-mail out to a whole bunch of family

and friends with some of the points from the study, saying " some of you

were puzzled as to why we became vegan... " . I was careful to make it to

the point but not heavy-handed and said I absolutely do not expect

everyone to give up meat but it's easy to cut back by a few meals a

week, and offered recipes. It was tough to push the send button on that

one because I don't know what I'll get back! I just sent it 20 minutes

ago and I already got this back from my cousin:

 

Those were some interesting facts but please keep in mind too that by

people eliminating eating meat their will also be alot of lost jobs

which in turn leads to more people depending on food banks which can't

keep up to begin with, more people on social assistance which would put

our government in more of a deficet, lost revenue, all of which put a

strain on living which in turn would make the rate of depression higher

and those would have to use our health system which is already in dire

need of help, we already have a shortage of doctors and nurses, we

wouldn't be getting the sources of protein that you need for healthy

living, and really canada's food guide has always contained meat as one

of the essential foods to eat. I think people who become vegetarian or

vegan should do so on their own and not have people make this choice for

them. I also know that from some of my friends that have children who

are vegetarian and vegan and make their children eat the same as them

their children have lots of health problems and always seem to be more

sick then friend who eat a balanced diet. I'm not trying to rain on your

parade Heather, but the fact of the matter is that everyone makes their

own choices and their are arguments for boths sides of every situation.

 

Me again: I just though maybe it would make people think a bit, and if

it just convinced a couple of people to cut back a bit... but I wonder

how many of them will read it and have this same reaction and be less

likely to listen to my points in future. Sigh :-(

Heather

 

 

outonalimb wrote:

> I like Al Gore but as an ardent enviro, myself , I was very

> disappointed at the overt omission of factory farmings contribution to

> global warming .The UN recently released a report regarding livestock

> farming and its major impact onclimate change .

> here is a link to the report ;

> http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/A0701E00.htm

>

> here are a few excerpts from a site I like ;

>

> United Nations report has identified the world’s rapidly growing

> herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and

> wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental

> crimes, from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from

> producing deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning

> rivers and drinking water to destroying coral reefs.

>

> The 400-page report by the Food and Agricultural Organisation,

> entitled Livestock’s Long Shadow, also surveys the damage done by

> sheep, chickens, pigs and goats. But in almost every case, the world’s

> 1.5 billion cattle are most to blame. - Independent

>

> " A few shocking facts from the Livestock’s Long Shadow Report:

>

> Livestock are responsible for 18 per cent of the greenhouse gases that

> cause global warming, more than cars, planes and all other forms of

> transport put together.

> Burning fuel to produce fertiliser to grow feed, to produce meat and

> to transport it - and clearing vegetation for grazing - produces 9 per

> cent of all emissions of carbon dioxide.

> Their wind and manure emit more than one third of emissions of

> methane, which warms the world 20 times faster than carbon dioxide.

> Livestock produces more than 100 other polluting gases, including more

> than two-thirds of the world’s emissions of ammonia, one of the main

> causes of acid rain.

> Ranching is “the major driver of deforestation” worldwide.

> Overgrazing is turning a fifth of all pastures and ranges into desert.

> Cows soak up vast amounts of water: it takes a staggering 990 litres

> of water to produce one litre of milk.

> Wastes from feedlots and fertilisers used to grow their feed

> overnourish water, causing weeds to choke all other life.

> Pesticides, antibiotics and hormones used to treat them get into

> drinking water and endanger human health.

> The pollution washes down to the sea, killing coral reefs and

> creating “dead zones” devoid of life.

> The report concludes that, unless drastic changes are made, the

> massive damage done by livestock will more than double by 2050, as

> demand for meat increases.

>

> Essentially, by reducing or eliminating our appetite for meat, vast

> tracts of land that are now straining under hooves and chemicals could

> be returned to their natural carbon-absorbing state, and much needed

> biodiversity can be returned. This includes not just the land cattle

> roam on, but the huge tracts of land used for growing livestock feed.

> Rainforests would no longer ‘need’ to be cut down, and the huge

> amounts of energy consumed in meat production can be diverted to more

> productive activities.

>

> In all, livestock production accounts for 70 percent of all

> agricultural land and 30 percent of the land surface of the planet.

> Expansion of livestock production is a key factor in deforestation,

> especially in Latin America where the greatest amount of deforestation

> is occurring – 70 percent of previous forested land in the Amazon is

> occupied by pastures, and feedcrops cover a large part of the

> remainder.

>

> I’ll repeat that - livestock production ”takes up 30 percent of the

> land surface of the planet.” That’s a lot of polluting, consuming,

> baggage we’re carrying. Yes, we need to get rid of our incandescent

> light bulbs and our gas-guzzling SUV’s - but let’s also consider the

> impact of what we put on our plate "

> http://www.celsias.com/blog/2006/12/11/the-cow-public-enemy-number-one/

> The UN report just confirms what enviros have long known, so Als

> omission is a bit disenhartening esp. since he titled his doc " An

> inconvienant truth " I think that perhaps his penchant for meat keeps

> him avoiding the issue .It seems sadly ironic to me .I understand that

> he does have a single page on 'eating less meat ' on his site but I

> have not visited .

> If youd like to measure your enviromental footprint upon the planet

> there is a great site where you may do so ;

> http://www.earthday.net/footprint/index.asp

>

> Im not trying to cause a fuss or being nasty - just stating a truth

> that the vast majority of Americans want to avoid .I like Al Gore and

> I appreciate his efforts :)

> I hope that he starts telling the Entire truth though, as it does have

> a tremendous impact .

> Teresa

>

> here is a link to the report ;

>

>

>

> -

> Jess <veg4animals2006

> Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:18 pm

> Re: An Inconvenient Truth

>

>

>

>> Seeing that movie really changed my world perspective. I loved how

>> passionate he was and would love love love to see him in person

>> presenting that information. I'm so jealous!

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse

>>

>> Life is an adventure in forgiveness.

>> Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990)

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> PAULA JOHNSON TEW <johnsontew

>> Vegetarian Parents

>> Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:30:42 AM

>> An Inconvenient Truth

>>

>> Hi,

>>

>> A little off topice but not really since land use and environment

>> are inseperable.

>>

>> I got to see Al Gore last night at University of Toronto! He was

>> amazing! He was such a fantastic speaker - dynamic, interesting,

>> funny. I'm renewing my efforts to be more environmentally

>> consciouss!! We are pretty good at home but there is always so

>> much more we can do.

>>

>> Paula

>>

>>

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What the devil?? I just simply cannot come up with anything else to say to

that...

 

Brave of you to send out to people, I would never have the guts because, well,

we're Texas folk and our families are not the classiest of people. We might get

a bag of deer guts for Christmas or something, and I'm almost not kidding.

Hopefully you'll get a few positive responses and no more of whatever the heck

that was that your cousin sent!

 

 

Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 wrote: Okay, this inspired me to send an

e-mail out to a whole bunch of family

and friends with some of the points from the study, saying " some of you

were puzzled as to why we became vegan... " . I was careful to make it to

the point but not heavy-handed and said I absolutely do not expect

everyone to give up meat but it's easy to cut back by a few meals a

week, and offered recipes. It was tough to push the send button on that

one because I don't know what I'll get back! I just sent it 20 minutes

ago and I already got this back from my cousin:

 

Those were some interesting facts but please keep in mind too that by

people eliminating eating meat their will also be alot of lost jobs

which in turn leads to more people depending on food banks which can't

keep up to begin with, more people on social assistance which would put

our government in more of a deficet, lost revenue, all of which put a

strain on living which in turn would make the rate of depression higher

and those would have to use our health system which is already in dire

need of help, we already have a shortage of doctors and nurses, we

wouldn't be getting the sources of protein that you need for healthy

living, and really canada's food guide has always contained meat as one

of the essential foods to eat. I think people who become vegetarian or

vegan should do so on their own and not have people make this choice for

them. I also know that from some of my friends that have children who

are vegetarian and vegan and make their children eat the same as them

their children have lots of health problems and always seem to be more

sick then friend who eat a balanced diet. I'm not trying to rain on your

parade Heather, but the fact of the matter is that everyone makes their

own choices and their are arguments for boths sides of every situation.

 

Me again: I just though maybe it would make people think a bit, and if

it just convinced a couple of people to cut back a bit... but I wonder

how many of them will read it and have this same reaction and be less

likely to listen to my points in future. Sigh :-(

Heather

 

 

outonalimb wrote:

> I like Al Gore but as an ardent enviro, myself , I was very

> disappointed at the overt omission of factory farmings contribution to

> global warming .The UN recently released a report regarding livestock

> farming and its major impact onclimate change .

> here is a link to the report ;

> http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/A0701E00.htm

>

> here are a few excerpts from a site I like ;

>

> United Nations report has identified the world’s rapidly growing

> herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and

> wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental

> crimes, from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from

> producing deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning

> rivers and drinking water to destroying coral reefs.

>

> The 400-page report by the Food and Agricultural Organisation,

> entitled Livestock’s Long Shadow, also surveys the damage done by

> sheep, chickens, pigs and goats. But in almost every case, the world’s

> 1.5 billion cattle are most to blame. - Independent

>

> " A few shocking facts from the Livestock’s Long Shadow Report:

>

> Livestock are responsible for 18 per cent of the greenhouse gases that

> cause global warming, more than cars, planes and all other forms of

> transport put together.

> Burning fuel to produce fertiliser to grow feed, to produce meat and

> to transport it - and clearing vegetation for grazing - produces 9 per

> cent of all emissions of carbon dioxide.

> Their wind and manure emit more than one third of emissions of

> methane, which warms the world 20 times faster than carbon dioxide.

> Livestock produces more than 100 other polluting gases, including more

> than two-thirds of the world’s emissions of ammonia, one of the main

> causes of acid rain.

> Ranching is “the major driver of deforestation” worldwide.

> Overgrazing is turning a fifth of all pastures and ranges into desert.

> Cows soak up vast amounts of water: it takes a staggering 990 litres

> of water to produce one litre of milk.

> Wastes from feedlots and fertilisers used to grow their feed

> overnourish water, causing weeds to choke all other life.

> Pesticides, antibiotics and hormones used to treat them get into

> drinking water and endanger human health.

> The pollution washes down to the sea, killing coral reefs and

> creating “dead zones” devoid of life.

> The report concludes that, unless drastic changes are made, the

> massive damage done by livestock will more than double by 2050, as

> demand for meat increases.

>

> Essentially, by reducing or eliminating our appetite for meat, vast

> tracts of land that are now straining under hooves and chemicals could

> be returned to their natural carbon-absorbing state, and much needed

> biodiversity can be returned. This includes not just the land cattle

> roam on, but the huge tracts of land used for growing livestock feed.

> Rainforests would no longer ‘need’ to be cut down, and the huge

> amounts of energy consumed in meat production can be diverted to more

> productive activities.

>

> In all, livestock production accounts for 70 percent of all

> agricultural land and 30 percent of the land surface of the planet.

> Expansion of livestock production is a key factor in deforestation,

> especially in Latin America where the greatest amount of deforestation

> is occurring – 70 percent of previous forested land in the Amazon is

> occupied by pastures, and feedcrops cover a large part of the

> remainder.

>

> I’ll repeat that - livestock production ”takes up 30 percent of the

> land surface of the planet.” That’s a lot of polluting, consuming,

> baggage we’re carrying. Yes, we need to get rid of our incandescent

> light bulbs and our gas-guzzling SUV’s - but let’s also consider the

> impact of what we put on our plate "

> http://www.celsias.com/blog/2006/12/11/the-cow-public-enemy-number-one/

> The UN report just confirms what enviros have long known, so Als

> omission is a bit disenhartening esp. since he titled his doc " An

> inconvienant truth " I think that perhaps his penchant for meat keeps

> him avoiding the issue .It seems sadly ironic to me .I understand that

> he does have a single page on 'eating less meat ' on his site but I

> have not visited .

> If youd like to measure your enviromental footprint upon the planet

> there is a great site where you may do so ;

> http://www.earthday.net/footprint/index.asp

>

> Im not trying to cause a fuss or being nasty - just stating a truth

> that the vast majority of Americans want to avoid .I like Al Gore and

> I appreciate his efforts :)

> I hope that he starts telling the Entire truth though, as it does have

> a tremendous impact .

> Teresa

>

> here is a link to the report ;

>

>

>

> -

> Jess

> Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:18 pm

> Re: An Inconvenient Truth

>

>

>

>> Seeing that movie really changed my world perspective. I loved how

>> passionate he was and would love love love to see him in person

>> presenting that information. I'm so jealous!

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse

>>

>> Life is an adventure in forgiveness.

>> Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990)

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> PAULA JOHNSON TEW

>> Vegetarian Parents

>> Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:30:42 AM

>> An Inconvenient Truth

>>

>> Hi,

>>

>> A little off topice but not really since land use and environment

>> are inseperable.

>>

>> I got to see Al Gore last night at University of Toronto! He was

>> amazing! He was such a fantastic speaker - dynamic, interesting,

>> funny. I'm renewing my efforts to be more environmentally

>> consciouss!! We are pretty good at home but there is always so

>> much more we can do.

>>

>> Paula

>>

>>

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your cousin should stop watching fox news and start listening to democracy now

radio and air america

 

Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 wrote: Okay, this inspired me to send an

e-mail out to a whole bunch of family

and friends with some of the points from the study, saying " some of you

were puzzled as to why we became vegan... " . I was careful to make it to

the point but not heavy-handed and said I absolutely do not expect

everyone to give up meat but it's easy to cut back by a few meals a

week, and offered recipes. It was tough to push the send button on that

one because I don't know what I'll get back! I just sent it 20 minutes

ago and I already got this back from my cousin:

 

Those were some interesting facts but please keep in mind too that by

people eliminating eating meat their will also be alot of lost jobs

which in turn leads to more people depending on food banks which can't

keep up to begin with, more people on social assistance which would put

our government in more of a deficet, lost revenue, all of which put a

strain on living which in turn would make the rate of depression higher

and those would have to use our health system which is already in dire

need of help, we already have a shortage of doctors and nurses, we

wouldn't be getting the sources of protein that you need for healthy

living, and really canada's food guide has always contained meat as one

of the essential foods to eat. I think people who become vegetarian or

vegan should do so on their own and not have people make this choice for

them. I also know that from some of my friends that have children who

are vegetarian and vegan and make their children eat the same as them

their children have lots of health problems and always seem to be more

sick then friend who eat a balanced diet. I'm not trying to rain on your

parade Heather, but the fact of the matter is that everyone makes their

own choices and their are arguments for boths sides of every situation.

 

Me again: I just though maybe it would make people think a bit, and if

it just convinced a couple of people to cut back a bit... but I wonder

how many of them will read it and have this same reaction and be less

likely to listen to my points in future. Sigh :-(

Heather

 

 

outonalimb wrote:

> I like Al Gore but as an ardent enviro, myself , I was very

> disappointed at the overt omission of factory farmings contribution to

> global warming .The UN recently released a report regarding livestock

> farming and its major impact onclimate change .

> here is a link to the report ;

> http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/A0701E00.htm

>

> here are a few excerpts from a site I like ;

>

> United Nations report has identified the world’s rapidly growing

> herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and

> wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental

> crimes, from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from

> producing deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning

> rivers and drinking water to destroying coral reefs.

>

> The 400-page report by the Food and Agricultural Organisation,

> entitled Livestock’s Long Shadow, also surveys the damage done by

> sheep, chickens, pigs and goats. But in almost every case, the world’s

> 1.5 billion cattle are most to blame. - Independent

>

> " A few shocking facts from the Livestock’s Long Shadow Report:

>

> Livestock are responsible for 18 per cent of the greenhouse gases that

> cause global warming, more than cars, planes and all other forms of

> transport put together.

> Burning fuel to produce fertiliser to grow feed, to produce meat and

> to transport it - and clearing vegetation for grazing - produces 9 per

> cent of all emissions of carbon dioxide.

> Their wind and manure emit more than one third of emissions of

> methane, which warms the world 20 times faster than carbon dioxide.

> Livestock produces more than 100 other polluting gases, including more

> than two-thirds of the world’s emissions of ammonia, one of the main

> causes of acid rain.

> Ranching is “the major driver of deforestation” worldwide.

> Overgrazing is turning a fifth of all pastures and ranges into desert.

> Cows soak up vast amounts of water: it takes a staggering 990 litres

> of water to produce one litre of milk.

> Wastes from feedlots and fertilisers used to grow their feed

> overnourish water, causing weeds to choke all other life.

> Pesticides, antibiotics and hormones used to treat them get into

> drinking water and endanger human health.

> The pollution washes down to the sea, killing coral reefs and

> creating “dead zones” devoid of life.

> The report concludes that, unless drastic changes are made, the

> massive damage done by livestock will more than double by 2050, as

> demand for meat increases.

>

> Essentially, by reducing or eliminating our appetite for meat, vast

> tracts of land that are now straining under hooves and chemicals could

> be returned to their natural carbon-absorbing state, and much needed

> biodiversity can be returned. This includes not just the land cattle

> roam on, but the huge tracts of land used for growing livestock feed.

> Rainforests would no longer ‘need’ to be cut down, and the huge

> amounts of energy consumed in meat production can be diverted to more

> productive activities.

>

> In all, livestock production accounts for 70 percent of all

> agricultural land and 30 percent of the land surface of the planet.

> Expansion of livestock production is a key factor in deforestation,

> especially in Latin America where the greatest amount of deforestation

> is occurring – 70 percent of previous forested land in the Amazon is

> occupied by pastures, and feedcrops cover a large part of the

> remainder.

>

> I’ll repeat that - livestock production ”takes up 30 percent of the

> land surface of the planet.” That’s a lot of polluting, consuming,

> baggage we’re carrying. Yes, we need to get rid of our incandescent

> light bulbs and our gas-guzzling SUV’s - but let’s also consider the

> impact of what we put on our plate "

> http://www.celsias.com/blog/2006/12/11/the-cow-public-enemy-number-one/

> The UN report just confirms what enviros have long known, so Als

> omission is a bit disenhartening esp. since he titled his doc " An

> inconvienant truth " I think that perhaps his penchant for meat keeps

> him avoiding the issue .It seems sadly ironic to me .I understand that

> he does have a single page on 'eating less meat ' on his site but I

> have not visited .

> If youd like to measure your enviromental footprint upon the planet

> there is a great site where you may do so ;

> http://www.earthday.net/footprint/index.asp

>

> Im not trying to cause a fuss or being nasty - just stating a truth

> that the vast majority of Americans want to avoid .I like Al Gore and

> I appreciate his efforts :)

> I hope that he starts telling the Entire truth though, as it does have

> a tremendous impact .

> Teresa

>

> here is a link to the report ;

>

>

>

> -

> Jess

> Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:18 pm

> Re: An Inconvenient Truth

>

>

>

>> Seeing that movie really changed my world perspective. I loved how

>> passionate he was and would love love love to see him in person

>> presenting that information. I'm so jealous!

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse

>>

>> Life is an adventure in forgiveness.

>> Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990)

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> PAULA JOHNSON TEW

>> Vegetarian Parents

>> Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:30:42 AM

>> An Inconvenient Truth

>>

>> Hi,

>>

>> A little off topice but not really since land use and environment

>> are inseperable.

>>

>> I got to see Al Gore last night at University of Toronto! He was

>> amazing! He was such a fantastic speaker - dynamic, interesting,

>> funny. I'm renewing my efforts to be more environmentally

>> consciouss!! We are pretty good at home but there is always so

>> much more we can do.

>>

>> Paula

>>

>>

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This may be a duh thing to a lot of you, but how DO you respond to the whole job

argument? Someone told me that once and I didn't know how to reply. I said it

would seem to me that the extra farming land would help make up for those jobs,

but I didn't know that for a fact.

 

robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: your cousin should stop

watching fox news and start listening to democracy now radio and air america

 

Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 wrote: Okay, this inspired me to send an

e-mail out to a whole bunch of family

and friends with some of the points from the study, saying " some of you

were puzzled as to why we became vegan... " . I was careful to make it to

the point but not heavy-handed and said I absolutely do not expect

everyone to give up meat but it's easy to cut back by a few meals a

week, and offered recipes. It was tough to push the send button on that

one because I don't know what I'll get back! I just sent it 20 minutes

ago and I already got this back from my cousin:

 

Those were some interesting facts but please keep in mind too that by

people eliminating eating meat their will also be alot of lost jobs

which in turn leads to more people depending on food banks which can't

keep up to begin with, more people on social assistance which would put

our government in more of a deficet, lost revenue, all of which put a

strain on living which in turn would make the rate of depression higher

and those would have to use our health system which is already in dire

need of help, we already have a shortage of doctors and nurses, we

wouldn't be getting the sources of protein that you need for healthy

living, and really canada's food guide has always contained meat as one

of the essential foods to eat. I think people who become vegetarian or

vegan should do so on their own and not have people make this choice for

them. I also know that from some of my friends that have children who

are vegetarian and vegan and make their children eat the same as them

their children have lots of health problems and always seem to be more

sick then friend who eat a balanced diet. I'm not trying to rain on your

parade Heather, but the fact of the matter is that everyone makes their

own choices and their are arguments for boths sides of every situation.

 

Me again: I just though maybe it would make people think a bit, and if

it just convinced a couple of people to cut back a bit... but I wonder

how many of them will read it and have this same reaction and be less

likely to listen to my points in future. Sigh :-(

Heather

 

outonalimb wrote:

> I like Al Gore but as an ardent enviro, myself , I was very

> disappointed at the overt omission of factory farmings contribution to

> global warming .The UN recently released a report regarding livestock

> farming and its major impact onclimate change .

> here is a link to the report ;

> http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/A0701E00.htm

>

> here are a few excerpts from a site I like ;

>

> United Nations report has identified the world’s rapidly growing

> herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and

> wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental

> crimes, from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from

> producing deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning

> rivers and drinking water to destroying coral reefs.

>

> The 400-page report by the Food and Agricultural Organisation,

> entitled Livestock’s Long Shadow, also surveys the damage done by

> sheep, chickens, pigs and goats. But in almost every case, the world’s

> 1.5 billion cattle are most to blame. - Independent

>

> " A few shocking facts from the Livestock’s Long Shadow Report:

>

> Livestock are responsible for 18 per cent of the greenhouse gases that

> cause global warming, more than cars, planes and all other forms of

> transport put together.

> Burning fuel to produce fertiliser to grow feed, to produce meat and

> to transport it - and clearing vegetation for grazing - produces 9 per

> cent of all emissions of carbon dioxide.

> Their wind and manure emit more than one third of emissions of

> methane, which warms the world 20 times faster than carbon dioxide.

> Livestock produces more than 100 other polluting gases, including more

> than two-thirds of the world’s emissions of ammonia, one of the main

> causes of acid rain.

> Ranching is “the major driver of deforestation” worldwide.

> Overgrazing is turning a fifth of all pastures and ranges into desert.

> Cows soak up vast amounts of water: it takes a staggering 990 litres

> of water to produce one litre of milk.

> Wastes from feedlots and fertilisers used to grow their feed

> overnourish water, causing weeds to choke all other life.

> Pesticides, antibiotics and hormones used to treat them get into

> drinking water and endanger human health.

> The pollution washes down to the sea, killing coral reefs and

> creating “dead zones” devoid of life.

> The report concludes that, unless drastic changes are made, the

> massive damage done by livestock will more than double by 2050, as

> demand for meat increases.

>

> Essentially, by reducing or eliminating our appetite for meat, vast

> tracts of land that are now straining under hooves and chemicals could

> be returned to their natural carbon-absorbing state, and much needed

> biodiversity can be returned. This includes not just the land cattle

> roam on, but the huge tracts of land used for growing livestock feed.

> Rainforests would no longer ‘need’ to be cut down, and the huge

> amounts of energy consumed in meat production can be diverted to more

> productive activities.

>

> In all, livestock production accounts for 70 percent of all

> agricultural land and 30 percent of the land surface of the planet.

> Expansion of livestock production is a key factor in deforestation,

> especially in Latin America where the greatest amount of deforestation

> is occurring – 70 percent of previous forested land in the Amazon is

> occupied by pastures, and feedcrops cover a large part of the

> remainder.

>

> I’ll repeat that - livestock production ”takes up 30 percent of the

> land surface of the planet.” That’s a lot of polluting, consuming,

> baggage we’re carrying. Yes, we need to get rid of our incandescent

> light bulbs and our gas-guzzling SUV’s - but let’s also consider the

> impact of what we put on our plate "

> http://www.celsias.com/blog/2006/12/11/the-cow-public-enemy-number-one/

> The UN report just confirms what enviros have long known, so Als

> omission is a bit disenhartening esp. since he titled his doc " An

> inconvienant truth " I think that perhaps his penchant for meat keeps

> him avoiding the issue .It seems sadly ironic to me .I understand that

> he does have a single page on 'eating less meat ' on his site but I

> have not visited .

> If youd like to measure your enviromental footprint upon the planet

> there is a great site where you may do so ;

> http://www.earthday.net/footprint/index.asp

>

> Im not trying to cause a fuss or being nasty - just stating a truth

> that the vast majority of Americans want to avoid .I like Al Gore and

> I appreciate his efforts :)

> I hope that he starts telling the Entire truth though, as it does have

> a tremendous impact .

> Teresa

>

> here is a link to the report ;

>

>

>

> -

> Jess

> Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:18 pm

> Re: An Inconvenient Truth

>

>

>

>> Seeing that movie really changed my world perspective. I loved how

>> passionate he was and would love love love to see him in person

>> presenting that information. I'm so jealous!

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse

>>

>> Life is an adventure in forgiveness.

>> Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990)

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> PAULA JOHNSON TEW

>> Vegetarian Parents

>> Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:30:42 AM

>> An Inconvenient Truth

>>

>> Hi,

>>

>> A little off topice but not really since land use and environment

>> are inseperable.

>>

>> I got to see Al Gore last night at University of Toronto! He was

>> amazing! He was such a fantastic speaker - dynamic, interesting,

>> funny. I'm renewing my efforts to be more environmentally

>> consciouss!! We are pretty good at home but there is always so

>> much more we can do.

>>

>> Paula

>>

>>

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Maybe there wouldn't be so many jobs in slaughterhouses... I don't know if it

would even out, honestly... even so, it'd be beneficial to the world as a whole.

Maybe a few slaughterhouse workers would be out of jobs, but isn't that worth

letting the rest of the world breathe cleaner air and drink cleaner water? I

think so.

 

L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 wrote:

This may be a duh thing to a lot of you, but how DO you respond to the whole job

argument? Someone told me that once and I didn't know how to reply. I said it

would seem to me that the extra farming land would help make up for those jobs,

but I didn't know that for a fact.

 

robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: your cousin should stop

watching fox news and start listening to democracy now radio and air america

 

Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 wrote: Okay, this inspired me to send an

e-mail out to a whole bunch of family

and friends with some of the points from the study, saying " some of you

were puzzled as to why we became vegan... " . I was careful to make it to

the point but not heavy-handed and said I absolutely do not expect

everyone to give up meat but it's easy to cut back by a few meals a

week, and offered recipes. It was tough to push the send button on that

one because I don't know what I'll get back! I just sent it 20 minutes

ago and I already got this back from my cousin:

 

Those were some interesting facts but please keep in mind too that by

people eliminating eating meat their will also be alot of lost jobs

which in turn leads to more people depending on food banks which can't

keep up to begin with, more people on social assistance which would put

our government in more of a deficet, lost revenue, all of which put a

strain on living which in turn would make the rate of depression higher

and those would have to use our health system which is already in dire

need of help, we already have a shortage of doctors and nurses, we

wouldn't be getting the sources of protein that you need for healthy

living, and really canada's food guide has always contained meat as one

of the essential foods to eat. I think people who become vegetarian or

vegan should do so on their own and not have people make this choice for

them. I also know that from some of my friends that have children who

are vegetarian and vegan and make their children eat the same as them

their children have lots of health problems and always seem to be more

sick then friend who eat a balanced diet. I'm not trying to rain on your

parade Heather, but the fact of the matter is that everyone makes their

own choices and their are arguments for boths sides of every situation.

 

Me again: I just though maybe it would make people think a bit, and if

it just convinced a couple of people to cut back a bit... but I wonder

how many of them will read it and have this same reaction and be less

likely to listen to my points in future. Sigh :-(

Heather

 

outonalimb wrote:

> I like Al Gore but as an ardent enviro, myself , I was very

> disappointed at the overt omission of factory farmings contribution to

> global warming .The UN recently released a report regarding livestock

> farming and its major impact onclimate change .

> here is a link to the report ;

> http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/A0701E00.htm

>

> here are a few excerpts from a site I like ;

>

> United Nations report has identified the world’s rapidly growing

> herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and

> wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental

> crimes, from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from

> producing deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning

> rivers and drinking water to destroying coral reefs.

>

> The 400-page report by the Food and Agricultural Organisation,

> entitled Livestock’s Long Shadow, also surveys the damage done by

> sheep, chickens, pigs and goats. But in almost every case, the world’s

> 1.5 billion cattle are most to blame. - Independent

>

> " A few shocking facts from the Livestock’s Long Shadow Report:

>

> Livestock are responsible for 18 per cent of the greenhouse gases that

> cause global warming, more than cars, planes and all other forms of

> transport put together.

> Burning fuel to produce fertiliser to grow feed, to produce meat and

> to transport it - and clearing vegetation for grazing - produces 9 per

> cent of all emissions of carbon dioxide.

> Their wind and manure emit more than one third of emissions of

> methane, which warms the world 20 times faster than carbon dioxide.

> Livestock produces more than 100 other polluting gases, including more

> than two-thirds of the world’s emissions of ammonia, one of the main

> causes of acid rain.

> Ranching is “the major driver of deforestation” worldwide.

> Overgrazing is turning a fifth of all pastures and ranges into desert.

> Cows soak up vast amounts of water: it takes a staggering 990 litres

> of water to produce one litre of milk.

> Wastes from feedlots and fertilisers used to grow their feed

> overnourish water, causing weeds to choke all other life.

> Pesticides, antibiotics and hormones used to treat them get into

> drinking water and endanger human health.

> The pollution washes down to the sea, killing coral reefs and

> creating “dead zones” devoid of life.

> The report concludes that, unless drastic changes are made, the

> massive damage done by livestock will more than double by 2050, as

> demand for meat increases.

>

> Essentially, by reducing or eliminating our appetite for meat, vast

> tracts of land that are now straining under hooves and chemicals could

> be returned to their natural carbon-absorbing state, and much needed

> biodiversity can be returned. This includes not just the land cattle

> roam on, but the huge tracts of land used for growing livestock feed.

> Rainforests would no longer ‘need’ to be cut down, and the huge

> amounts of energy consumed in meat production can be diverted to more

> productive activities.

>

> In all, livestock production accounts for 70 percent of all

> agricultural land and 30 percent of the land surface of the planet.

> Expansion of livestock production is a key factor in deforestation,

> especially in Latin America where the greatest amount of deforestation

> is occurring – 70 percent of previous forested land in the Amazon is

> occupied by pastures, and feedcrops cover a large part of the

> remainder.

>

> I’ll repeat that - livestock production ”takes up 30 percent of the

> land surface of the planet.” That’s a lot of polluting, consuming,

> baggage we’re carrying. Yes, we need to get rid of our incandescent

> light bulbs and our gas-guzzling SUV’s - but let’s also consider the

> impact of what we put on our plate "

> http://www.celsias.com/blog/2006/12/11/the-cow-public-enemy-number-one/

> The UN report just confirms what enviros have long known, so Als

> omission is a bit disenhartening esp. since he titled his doc " An

> inconvienant truth " I think that perhaps his penchant for meat keeps

> him avoiding the issue .It seems sadly ironic to me .I understand that

> he does have a single page on 'eating less meat ' on his site but I

> have not visited .

> If youd like to measure your enviromental footprint upon the planet

> there is a great site where you may do so ;

> http://www.earthday.net/footprint/index.asp

>

> Im not trying to cause a fuss or being nasty - just stating a truth

> that the vast majority of Americans want to avoid .I like Al Gore and

> I appreciate his efforts :)

> I hope that he starts telling the Entire truth though, as it does have

> a tremendous impact .

> Teresa

>

> here is a link to the report ;

>

>

>

> -

> Jess

> Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:18 pm

> Re: An Inconvenient Truth

>

>

>

>> Seeing that movie really changed my world perspective. I loved how

>> passionate he was and would love love love to see him in person

>> presenting that information. I'm so jealous!

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse

>>

>> Life is an adventure in forgiveness.

>> Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990)

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> PAULA JOHNSON TEW

>> Vegetarian Parents

>> Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:30:42 AM

>> An Inconvenient Truth

>>

>> Hi,

>>

>> A little off topice but not really since land use and environment

>> are inseperable.

>>

>> I got to see Al Gore last night at University of Toronto! He was

>> amazing! He was such a fantastic speaker - dynamic, interesting,

>> funny. I'm renewing my efforts to be more environmentally

>> consciouss!! We are pretty good at home but there is always so

>> much more we can do.

>>

>> Paula

>>

>>

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Funding alternative energy projects would create more than enough jobs. Through

in taking away the tax incentives given to corporations for off-shoring jobs;

add in taxing war profits and taking away tax cuts for the wealthiest, and we

have a real plan to improve the environment and the economy.

 

L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 wrote: This may be a duh thing

to a lot of you, but how DO you respond to the whole job argument? Someone told

me that once and I didn't know how to reply. I said it would seem to me that the

extra farming land would help make up for those jobs, but I didn't know that for

a fact.

 

robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: your cousin should stop watching fox

news and start listening to democracy now radio and air america

 

Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 wrote: Okay, this inspired me to send an

e-mail out to a whole bunch of family

and friends with some of the points from the study, saying " some of you

were puzzled as to why we became vegan... " . I was careful to make it to

the point but not heavy-handed and said I absolutely do not expect

everyone to give up meat but it's easy to cut back by a few meals a

week, and offered recipes. It was tough to push the send button on that

one because I don't know what I'll get back! I just sent it 20 minutes

ago and I already got this back from my cousin:

 

Those were some interesting facts but please keep in mind too that by

people eliminating eating meat their will also be alot of lost jobs

which in turn leads to more people depending on food banks which can't

keep up to begin with, more people on social assistance which would put

our government in more of a deficet, lost revenue, all of which put a

strain on living which in turn would make the rate of depression higher

and those would have to use our health system which is already in dire

need of help, we already have a shortage of doctors and nurses, we

wouldn't be getting the sources of protein that you need for healthy

living, and really canada's food guide has always contained meat as one

of the essential foods to eat. I think people who become vegetarian or

vegan should do so on their own and not have people make this choice for

them. I also know that from some of my friends that have children who

are vegetarian and vegan and make their children eat the same as them

their children have lots of health problems and always seem to be more

sick then friend who eat a balanced diet. I'm not trying to rain on your

parade Heather, but the fact of the matter is that everyone makes their

own choices and their are arguments for boths sides of every situation.

 

Me again: I just though maybe it would make people think a bit, and if

it just convinced a couple of people to cut back a bit... but I wonder

how many of them will read it and have this same reaction and be less

likely to listen to my points in future. Sigh :-(

Heather

 

outonalimb wrote:

> I like Al Gore but as an ardent enviro, myself , I was very

> disappointed at the overt omission of factory farmings contribution to

> global warming .The UN recently released a report regarding livestock

> farming and its major impact onclimate change .

> here is a link to the report ;

> http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/A0701E00.htm

>

> here are a few excerpts from a site I like ;

>

> United Nations report has identified the world’s rapidly growing

> herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and

> wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental

> crimes, from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from

> producing deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning

> rivers and drinking water to destroying coral reefs.

>

> The 400-page report by the Food and Agricultural Organisation,

> entitled Livestock’s Long Shadow, also surveys the damage done by

> sheep, chickens, pigs and goats. But in almost every case, the world’s

> 1.5 billion cattle are most to blame. - Independent

>

> " A few shocking facts from the Livestock’s Long Shadow Report:

>

> Livestock are responsible for 18 per cent of the greenhouse gases that

> cause global warming, more than cars, planes and all other forms of

> transport put together.

> Burning fuel to produce fertiliser to grow feed, to produce meat and

> to transport it - and clearing vegetation for grazing - produces 9 per

> cent of all emissions of carbon dioxide.

> Their wind and manure emit more than one third of emissions of

> methane, which warms the world 20 times faster than carbon dioxide.

> Livestock produces more than 100 other polluting gases, including more

> than two-thirds of the world’s emissions of ammonia, one of the main

> causes of acid rain.

> Ranching is “the major driver of deforestation” worldwide.

> Overgrazing is turning a fifth of all pastures and ranges into desert.

> Cows soak up vast amounts of water: it takes a staggering 990 litres

> of water to produce one litre of milk.

> Wastes from feedlots and fertilisers used to grow their feed

> overnourish water, causing weeds to choke all other life.

> Pesticides, antibiotics and hormones used to treat them get into

> drinking water and endanger human health.

> The pollution washes down to the sea, killing coral reefs and

> creating “dead zones” devoid of life.

> The report concludes that, unless drastic changes are made, the

> massive damage done by livestock will more than double by 2050, as

> demand for meat increases.

>

> Essentially, by reducing or eliminating our appetite for meat, vast

> tracts of land that are now straining under hooves and chemicals could

> be returned to their natural carbon-absorbing state, and much needed

> biodiversity can be returned. This includes not just the land cattle

> roam on, but the huge tracts of land used for growing livestock feed.

> Rainforests would no longer ‘need’ to be cut down, and the huge

> amounts of energy consumed in meat production can be diverted to more

> productive activities.

>

> In all, livestock production accounts for 70 percent of all

> agricultural land and 30 percent of the land surface of the planet.

> Expansion of livestock production is a key factor in deforestation,

> especially in Latin America where the greatest amount of deforestation

> is occurring – 70 percent of previous forested land in the Amazon is

> occupied by pastures, and feedcrops cover a large part of the

> remainder.

>

> I’ll repeat that - livestock production ”takes up 30 percent of the

> land surface of the planet.” That’s a lot of polluting, consuming,

> baggage we’re carrying. Yes, we need to get rid of our incandescent

> light bulbs and our gas-guzzling SUV’s - but let’s also consider the

> impact of what we put on our plate "

> http://www.celsias.com/blog/2006/12/11/the-cow-public-enemy-number-one/

> The UN report just confirms what enviros have long known, so Als

> omission is a bit disenhartening esp. since he titled his doc " An

> inconvienant truth " I think that perhaps his penchant for meat keeps

> him avoiding the issue .It seems sadly ironic to me .I understand that

> he does have a single page on 'eating less meat ' on his site but I

> have not visited .

> If youd like to measure your enviromental footprint upon the planet

> there is a great site where you may do so ;

> http://www.earthday.net/footprint/index.asp

>

> Im not trying to cause a fuss or being nasty - just stating a truth

> that the vast majority of Americans want to avoid .I like Al Gore and

> I appreciate his efforts :)

> I hope that he starts telling the Entire truth though, as it does have

> a tremendous impact .

> Teresa

>

> here is a link to the report ;

>

>

>

> -

> Jess

> Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:18 pm

> Re: An Inconvenient Truth

>

>

>

>> Seeing that movie really changed my world perspective. I loved how

>> passionate he was and would love love love to see him in person

>> presenting that information. I'm so jealous!

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse

>>

>> Life is an adventure in forgiveness.

>> Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990)

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> PAULA JOHNSON TEW

>> Vegetarian Parents

>> Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:30:42 AM

>> An Inconvenient Truth

>>

>> Hi,

>>

>> A little off topice but not really since land use and environment

>> are inseperable.

>>

>> I got to see Al Gore last night at University of Toronto! He was

>> amazing! He was such a fantastic speaker - dynamic, interesting,

>> funny. I'm renewing my efforts to be more environmentally

>> consciouss!! We are pretty good at home but there is always so

>> much more we can do.

>>

>> Paula

>>

>>

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If I am remembering correctly, I read in Diet for a New America that it takes 10

acres of grain to produce a pound of beef. Think of all the cereals, breads,

etc... that could be made with all 10 areas worth of grain. Lots more people

could be fed with that, than from the meat. I think that is a great argument

for using our land in a more economical environmentally friendly way. Plus you

don't have all that pollution from all the cows, polluting the ground water.

-

Kadee M

Saturday, February 24, 2007 8:47 PM

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

 

 

Maybe there wouldn't be so many jobs in slaughterhouses... I don't know if it

would even out, honestly... even so, it'd be beneficial to the world as a whole.

Maybe a few slaughterhouse workers would be out of jobs, but isn't that worth

letting the rest of the world breathe cleaner air and drink cleaner water? I

think so.

 

L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 wrote: This may be a duh thing to a

lot of you, but how DO you respond to the whole job argument? Someone told me

that once and I didn't know how to reply. I said it would seem to me that the

extra farming land would help make up for those jobs, but I didn't know that for

a fact.

 

robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: your cousin should stop watching fox

news and start listening to democracy now radio and air america

 

Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 wrote: Okay, this inspired me to send an

e-mail out to a whole bunch of family

and friends with some of the points from the study, saying " some of you

were puzzled as to why we became vegan... " . I was careful to make it to

the point but not heavy-handed and said I absolutely do not expect

everyone to give up meat but it's easy to cut back by a few meals a

week, and offered recipes. It was tough to push the send button on that

one because I don't know what I'll get back! I just sent it 20 minutes

ago and I already got this back from my cousin:

 

Those were some interesting facts but please keep in mind too that by

people eliminating eating meat their will also be alot of lost jobs

which in turn leads to more people depending on food banks which can't

keep up to begin with, more people on social assistance which would put

our government in more of a deficet, lost revenue, all of which put a

strain on living which in turn would make the rate of depression higher

and those would have to use our health system which is already in dire

need of help, we already have a shortage of doctors and nurses, we

wouldn't be getting the sources of protein that you need for healthy

living, and really canada's food guide has always contained meat as one

of the essential foods to eat. I think people who become vegetarian or

vegan should do so on their own and not have people make this choice for

them. I also know that from some of my friends that have children who

are vegetarian and vegan and make their children eat the same as them

their children have lots of health problems and always seem to be more

sick then friend who eat a balanced diet. I'm not trying to rain on your

parade Heather, but the fact of the matter is that everyone makes their

own choices and their are arguments for boths sides of every situation.

 

Me again: I just though maybe it would make people think a bit, and if

it just convinced a couple of people to cut back a bit... but I wonder

how many of them will read it and have this same reaction and be less

likely to listen to my points in future. Sigh :-(

Heather

 

outonalimb wrote:

> I like Al Gore but as an ardent enviro, myself , I was very

> disappointed at the overt omission of factory farmings contribution to

> global warming .The UN recently released a report regarding livestock

> farming and its major impact onclimate change .

> here is a link to the report ;

> http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/A0701E00.htm

>

> here are a few excerpts from a site I like ;

>

> United Nations report has identified the world's rapidly growing

> herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and

> wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental

> crimes, from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from

> producing deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning

> rivers and drinking water to destroying coral reefs.

>

> The 400-page report by the Food and Agricultural Organisation,

> entitled Livestock's Long Shadow, also surveys the damage done by

> sheep, chickens, pigs and goats. But in almost every case, the world's

> 1.5 billion cattle are most to blame. - Independent

>

> " A few shocking facts from the Livestock's Long Shadow Report:

>

> Livestock are responsible for 18 per cent of the greenhouse gases that

> cause global warming, more than cars, planes and all other forms of

> transport put together.

> Burning fuel to produce fertiliser to grow feed, to produce meat and

> to transport it - and clearing vegetation for grazing - produces 9 per

> cent of all emissions of carbon dioxide.

> Their wind and manure emit more than one third of emissions of

> methane, which warms the world 20 times faster than carbon dioxide.

> Livestock produces more than 100 other polluting gases, including more

> than two-thirds of the world's emissions of ammonia, one of the main

> causes of acid rain.

> Ranching is " the major driver of deforestation " worldwide.

> Overgrazing is turning a fifth of all pastures and ranges into desert.

> Cows soak up vast amounts of water: it takes a staggering 990 litres

> of water to produce one litre of milk.

> Wastes from feedlots and fertilisers used to grow their feed

> overnourish water, causing weeds to choke all other life.

> Pesticides, antibiotics and hormones used to treat them get into

> drinking water and endanger human health.

> The pollution washes down to the sea, killing coral reefs and

> creating " dead zones " devoid of life.

> The report concludes that, unless drastic changes are made, the

> massive damage done by livestock will more than double by 2050, as

> demand for meat increases.

>

> Essentially, by reducing or eliminating our appetite for meat, vast

> tracts of land that are now straining under hooves and chemicals could

> be returned to their natural carbon-absorbing state, and much needed

> biodiversity can be returned. This includes not just the land cattle

> roam on, but the huge tracts of land used for growing livestock feed.

> Rainforests would no longer 'need' to be cut down, and the huge

> amounts of energy consumed in meat production can be diverted to more

> productive activities.

>

> In all, livestock production accounts for 70 percent of all

> agricultural land and 30 percent of the land surface of the planet.

> Expansion of livestock production is a key factor in deforestation,

> especially in Latin America where the greatest amount of deforestation

> is occurring - 70 percent of previous forested land in the Amazon is

> occupied by pastures, and feedcrops cover a large part of the

> remainder.

>

> I'll repeat that - livestock production " takes up 30 percent of the

> land surface of the planet. " That's a lot of polluting, consuming,

> baggage we're carrying. Yes, we need to get rid of our incandescent

> light bulbs and our gas-guzzling SUV's - but let's also consider the

> impact of what we put on our plate "

> http://www.celsias.com/blog/2006/12/11/the-cow-public-enemy-number-one/

> The UN report just confirms what enviros have long known, so Als

> omission is a bit disenhartening esp. since he titled his doc " An

> inconvienant truth " I think that perhaps his penchant for meat keeps

> him avoiding the issue .It seems sadly ironic to me .I understand that

> he does have a single page on 'eating less meat ' on his site but I

> have not visited .

> If youd like to measure your enviromental footprint upon the planet

> there is a great site where you may do so ;

> http://www.earthday.net/footprint/index.asp

>

> Im not trying to cause a fuss or being nasty - just stating a truth

> that the vast majority of Americans want to avoid .I like Al Gore and

> I appreciate his efforts :)

> I hope that he starts telling the Entire truth though, as it does have

> a tremendous impact .

> Teresa

>

> here is a link to the report ;

>

>

>

> -

> Jess

> Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:18 pm

> Re: An Inconvenient Truth

>

>

>

>> Seeing that movie really changed my world perspective. I loved how

>> passionate he was and would love love love to see him in person

>> presenting that information. I'm so jealous!

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse

>>

>> Life is an adventure in forgiveness.

>> Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990)

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> PAULA JOHNSON TEW

>> Vegetarian Parents

>> Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:30:42 AM

>> An Inconvenient Truth

>>

>> Hi,

>>

>> A little off topice but not really since land use and environment

>> are inseperable.

>>

>> I got to see Al Gore last night at University of Toronto! He was

>> amazing! He was such a fantastic speaker - dynamic, interesting,

>> funny. I'm renewing my efforts to be more environmentally

>> consciouss!! We are pretty good at home but there is always so

>> much more we can do.

>>

>> Paula

>>

>>

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Entire industries have disappeared before. There

aren't many coopers, typesetters, blacksmiths, or

keypunch operators anymore. But since entirely NEW

industries crop up all the time, it doesn't seem to be

a problem (in the aggregate; obviously, for the

individuals who lose their jobs, it's a huge problem).

So, in our hoped-for utopia, there would be no

butchers and a lot more greengrocers.

 

Besides, organic farming is more labour-intensive than

conventional farming, and much more so than ranching

or dairy farming. Plenty of jobs to go around!

 

Liz

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Excellant point! Thank you! :)

 

ERB <bakwin wrote: Entire industries have disappeared

before. There

aren't many coopers, typesetters, blacksmiths, or

keypunch operators anymore. But since entirely NEW

industries crop up all the time, it doesn't seem to be

a problem (in the aggregate; obviously, for the

individuals who lose their jobs, it's a huge problem).

So, in our hoped-for utopia, there would be no

butchers and a lot more greengrocers.

 

Besides, organic farming is more labour-intensive than

conventional farming, and much more so than ranching

or dairy farming. Plenty of jobs to go around!

 

Liz

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Heather, if your cousin really cared about all of those workers,

he/she would stop eating animals. Slaughter house workers have the

highest rate of injury of any industry (and they have the mental

stresses like depression and more severe problems to go with it).

 

Not to mention, his/her accounting of how things would unfold is

completely unsupported and likely NOT correct. I think it's safe to

say your cousin doesn't understand economics or how the economy works,

and he/she certainly doesn't understand that dietary-caused diseases

are the biggest burden on our health-care system. Making

environmentally-responsible changes to our lifestyles (in this case,

dietary lifestyle choices) can be a boon to the economy. The current

economy, including the food system, is built on a bubble econmy

(unsustainable) that will burst. THAT will cause much worse burdens

than in his/her bizarro-world version of economic problems from not

eating meat. Even your cousin's own illogical accounting has

discrepencies. He talks about an increased burden on our health care

system because we don't have enough workers and this being caused by a

lack of jobs. Lack of workers = jobs available (I know that there are

training issues here, but your cousin wasn't logical anyway, so I can

ignore the logic of training issues.)

 

I'd love for your cousin to put me in touch with just one of these

vegan families with an unhealthy child. I doubt these families really

exist, and if they do, there is probably some other underlying cause

of the problem. There are certainly junk food vegans out there, and

there are plently of ways be unhealthy as a vegetarian or vegan, but I

don't personally know to many veg people eating like that. My son is

sick way less than his cousins, and when he is, it simply is so mild

that it is hard to even tell if he is sick (with a cold). A lot of

this boils down to germ-exposure and genetics, too, but diet has a big

hand in the body's ability to handle the sickness once there.

 

I think all of us on this list are living proof that meat (or any

other animal product, for that matter) isn't necessary in the diet.

 

Some people will find any excuses they can to maintain the status quo.

Bravo to you for trying to make a difference, though!

 

--Allison

 

, Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 wrote:

>

> Okay, this inspired me to send an e-mail out to a whole bunch of family

> and friends with some of the points from the study, saying " some of you

> were puzzled as to why we became vegan... " . I was careful to make it to

> the point but not heavy-handed and said I absolutely do not expect

> everyone to give up meat but it's easy to cut back by a few meals a

> week, and offered recipes. It was tough to push the send button on that

> one because I don't know what I'll get back! I just sent it 20 minutes

> ago and I already got this back from my cousin:

>

> Those were some interesting facts but please keep in mind too that by

> people eliminating eating meat their will also be alot of lost jobs

> which in turn leads to more people depending on food banks which can't

> keep up to begin with, more people on social assistance which would put

> our government in more of a deficet, lost revenue, all of which put a

> strain on living which in turn would make the rate of depression higher

> and those would have to use our health system which is already in dire

> need of help, we already have a shortage of doctors and nurses, we

> wouldn't be getting the sources of protein that you need for healthy

> living, and really canada's food guide has always contained meat as one

> of the essential foods to eat. I think people who become vegetarian or

> vegan should do so on their own and not have people make this choice

for

> them. I also know that from some of my friends that have children who

> are vegetarian and vegan and make their children eat the same as them

> their children have lots of health problems and always seem to be more

> sick then friend who eat a balanced diet. I'm not trying to rain on

your

> parade Heather, but the fact of the matter is that everyone makes their

> own choices and their are arguments for boths sides of every situation.

>

> Me again: I just though maybe it would make people think a bit, and if

> it just convinced a couple of people to cut back a bit... but I wonder

> how many of them will read it and have this same reaction and be less

> likely to listen to my points in future. Sigh :-(

> Heather

>

>

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<<he/she certainly doesn't understand that

dietary-caused diseases

are the biggest burden on our health-care system.>>

 

Wait, you mean if everyone eats a healthy veg*n diet,

we'll be putting doctors & nurses out of jobs? Oh,

well, then....in that case, we'd better go back to

ruining our health, for the sake of those highly

trained workers.

 

<tongue-in-cheek>

 

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Thanks for all this info everyone! I will file these to better respond

to future arguments :-)

 

My cousin e-mailed me twice more about that, and it was very

discouraging for me because it was the first time I have personally

experienced such brick-wall willful ignorance (I have heard many

examples, and I know many of you run into it regularly). Among her many

comments:

- some dinosaurs were vegetarian too and there were no emissions then,

and they went extinct anyway

- we're just in a climate cycle, there's nothing we can possibly do so

there's no point in changing anything

 

Then she asked me for more information, and when I gave it to her (very

evenly and politely I must say, I know I won't win anyone over by being

pushy) she responded that I was like a Jehovah's Witness pushing my

opinion on everyone and had no right to send information to people who

didn't ask for it!

 

But on the plus side -- several people I sent it to responded to say

thanks and told me about how they're trying to reduce their meat intake.

My aunt decided to give up beef for Lent and said after the six weeks

are over maybe she'll be able to give it up for good. A woman I know

casually from my son's nursery school phoned me this morning to ask if I

would mind if she forwarded it to a bunch of other people because she

thought everyone should know this stuff, and she asked if I could send

her some recipes (she's not vegetarian... yet...).

 

I'm so thankful for this online community!

Heather

 

Allison wrote:

>

> Heather, if your cousin really cared about all of those workers,

> he/she would stop eating animals. Slaughter house workers have the

> highest rate of injury of any industry (and they have the mental

> stresses like depression and more severe problems to go with it).

>

> Not to mention, his/her accounting of how things would unfold is

> completely unsupported and likely NOT correct. I think it's safe to

> say your cousin doesn't understand economics or how the economy works,

> and he/she certainly doesn't understand that dietary-caused diseases

> are the biggest burden on our health-care system. Making

> environmentally-responsible changes to our lifestyles (in this case,

> dietary lifestyle choices) can be a boon to the economy. The current

> economy, including the food system, is built on a bubble econmy

> (unsustainable) that will burst. THAT will cause much worse burdens

> than in his/her bizarro-world version of economic problems from not

> eating meat. Even your cousin's own illogical accounting has

> discrepencies. He talks about an increased burden on our health care

> system because we don't have enough workers and this being caused by a

> lack of jobs. Lack of workers = jobs available (I know that there are

> training issues here, but your cousin wasn't logical anyway, so I can

> ignore the logic of training issues.)

>

> I'd love for your cousin to put me in touch with just one of these

> vegan families with an unhealthy child. I doubt these families really

> exist, and if they do, there is probably some other underlying cause

> of the problem. There are certainly junk food vegans out there, and

> there are plently of ways be unhealthy as a vegetarian or vegan, but I

> don't personally know to many veg people eating like that. My son is

> sick way less than his cousins, and when he is, it simply is so mild

> that it is hard to even tell if he is sick (with a cold). A lot of

> this boils down to germ-exposure and genetics, too, but diet has a big

> hand in the body's ability to handle the sickness once there.

>

> I think all of us on this list are living proof that meat (or any

> other animal product, for that matter) isn't necessary in the diet.

>

> Some people will find any excuses they can to maintain the status quo.

> Bravo to you for trying to make a difference, though!

>

> --Allison

>

>

> <%40>, Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850

> wrote:

> >

> > Okay, this inspired me to send an e-mail out to a whole bunch of family

> > and friends with some of the points from the study, saying " some of you

> > were puzzled as to why we became vegan... " . I was careful to make it to

> > the point but not heavy-handed and said I absolutely do not expect

> > everyone to give up meat but it's easy to cut back by a few meals a

> > week, and offered recipes. It was tough to push the send button on that

> > one because I don't know what I'll get back! I just sent it 20 minutes

> > ago and I already got this back from my cousin:

> >

> > Those were some interesting facts but please keep in mind too that by

> > people eliminating eating meat their will also be alot of lost jobs

> > which in turn leads to more people depending on food banks which can't

> > keep up to begin with, more people on social assistance which would put

> > our government in more of a deficet, lost revenue, all of which put a

> > strain on living which in turn would make the rate of depression higher

> > and those would have to use our health system which is already in dire

> > need of help, we already have a shortage of doctors and nurses, we

> > wouldn't be getting the sources of protein that you need for healthy

> > living, and really canada's food guide has always contained meat as one

> > of the essential foods to eat. I think people who become vegetarian or

> > vegan should do so on their own and not have people make this choice

> for

> > them. I also know that from some of my friends that have children who

> > are vegetarian and vegan and make their children eat the same as them

> > their children have lots of health problems and always seem to be more

> > sick then friend who eat a balanced diet. I'm not trying to rain on

> your

> > parade Heather, but the fact of the matter is that everyone makes their

> > own choices and their are arguments for boths sides of every situation.

> >

> > Me again: I just though maybe it would make people think a bit, and if

> > it just convinced a couple of people to cut back a bit... but I wonder

> > how many of them will read it and have this same reaction and be less

> > likely to listen to my points in future. Sigh :-(

> > Heather

> >

> >

>

>

 

 

 

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I think maybe this cousin of yours has a really twisted sense of humor...

hopefully... because that dinosaur argument is, I believe, one of the SILLIEST

ones I've heard. Maybe she's just messing with you??

 

Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 wrote:

Thanks for all this info everyone! I will file these to better respond

to future arguments :-)

 

My cousin e-mailed me twice more about that, and it was very

discouraging for me because it was the first time I have personally

experienced such brick-wall willful ignorance (I have heard many

examples, and I know many of you run into it regularly). Among her many

comments:

- some dinosaurs were vegetarian too and there were no emissions then,

and they went extinct anyway

- we're just in a climate cycle, there's nothing we can possibly do so

there's no point in changing anything

 

Then she asked me for more information, and when I gave it to her (very

evenly and politely I must say, I know I won't win anyone over by being

pushy) she responded that I was like a Jehovah's Witness pushing my

opinion on everyone and had no right to send information to people who

didn't ask for it!

 

But on the plus side -- several people I sent it to responded to say

thanks and told me about how they're trying to reduce their meat intake.

My aunt decided to give up beef for Lent and said after the six weeks

are over maybe she'll be able to give it up for good. A woman I know

casually from my son's nursery school phoned me this morning to ask if I

would mind if she forwarded it to a bunch of other people because she

thought everyone should know this stuff, and she asked if I could send

her some recipes (she's not vegetarian... yet...).

 

I'm so thankful for this online community!

Heather

 

Allison wrote:

>

> Heather, if your cousin really cared about all of those workers,

> he/she would stop eating animals. Slaughter house workers have the

> highest rate of injury of any industry (and they have the mental

> stresses like depression and more severe problems to go with it).

>

> Not to mention, his/her accounting of how things would unfold is

> completely unsupported and likely NOT correct. I think it's safe to

> say your cousin doesn't understand economics or how the economy works,

> and he/she certainly doesn't understand that dietary-caused diseases

> are the biggest burden on our health-care system. Making

> environmentally-responsible changes to our lifestyles (in this case,

> dietary lifestyle choices) can be a boon to the economy. The current

> economy, including the food system, is built on a bubble econmy

> (unsustainable) that will burst. THAT will cause much worse burdens

> than in his/her bizarro-world version of economic problems from not

> eating meat. Even your cousin's own illogical accounting has

> discrepencies. He talks about an increased burden on our health care

> system because we don't have enough workers and this being caused by a

> lack of jobs. Lack of workers = jobs available (I know that there are

> training issues here, but your cousin wasn't logical anyway, so I can

> ignore the logic of training issues.)

>

> I'd love for your cousin to put me in touch with just one of these

> vegan families with an unhealthy child. I doubt these families really

> exist, and if they do, there is probably some other underlying cause

> of the problem. There are certainly junk food vegans out there, and

> there are plently of ways be unhealthy as a vegetarian or vegan, but I

> don't personally know to many veg people eating like that. My son is

> sick way less than his cousins, and when he is, it simply is so mild

> that it is hard to even tell if he is sick (with a cold). A lot of

> this boils down to germ-exposure and genetics, too, but diet has a big

> hand in the body's ability to handle the sickness once there.

>

> I think all of us on this list are living proof that meat (or any

> other animal product, for that matter) isn't necessary in the diet.

>

> Some people will find any excuses they can to maintain the status quo.

> Bravo to you for trying to make a difference, though!

>

> --Allison

>

>

> <%40>, Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850

> wrote:

> >

> > Okay, this inspired me to send an e-mail out to a whole bunch of family

> > and friends with some of the points from the study, saying " some of you

> > were puzzled as to why we became vegan... " . I was careful to make it to

> > the point but not heavy-handed and said I absolutely do not expect

> > everyone to give up meat but it's easy to cut back by a few meals a

> > week, and offered recipes. It was tough to push the send button on that

> > one because I don't know what I'll get back! I just sent it 20 minutes

> > ago and I already got this back from my cousin:

> >

> > Those were some interesting facts but please keep in mind too that by

> > people eliminating eating meat their will also be alot of lost jobs

> > which in turn leads to more people depending on food banks which can't

> > keep up to begin with, more people on social assistance which would put

> > our government in more of a deficet, lost revenue, all of which put a

> > strain on living which in turn would make the rate of depression higher

> > and those would have to use our health system which is already in dire

> > need of help, we already have a shortage of doctors and nurses, we

> > wouldn't be getting the sources of protein that you need for healthy

> > living, and really canada's food guide has always contained meat as one

> > of the essential foods to eat. I think people who become vegetarian or

> > vegan should do so on their own and not have people make this choice

> for

> > them. I also know that from some of my friends that have children who

> > are vegetarian and vegan and make their children eat the same as them

> > their children have lots of health problems and always seem to be more

> > sick then friend who eat a balanced diet. I'm not trying to rain on

> your

> > parade Heather, but the fact of the matter is that everyone makes their

> > own choices and their are arguments for boths sides of every situation.

> >

> > Me again: I just though maybe it would make people think a bit, and if

> > it just convinced a couple of people to cut back a bit... but I wonder

> > how many of them will read it and have this same reaction and be less

> > likely to listen to my points in future. Sigh :-(

> > Heather

> >

> >

>

>

 

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No, sadly, she is totally serious. That's what I mean by brick-wall

willful ignorance.

Heather

 

Kadee M wrote:

>

> I think maybe this cousin of yours has a really twisted sense of

> humor... hopefully... because that dinosaur argument is, I believe,

> one of the SILLIEST ones I've heard. Maybe she's just messing with you??

>

> Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 <hlh4850%40gmail.com>>

> wrote: Thanks for all this info everyone! I will file these to better

> respond

> to future arguments :-)

>

> My cousin e-mailed me twice more about that, and it was very

> discouraging for me because it was the first time I have personally

> experienced such brick-wall willful ignorance (I have heard many

> examples, and I know many of you run into it regularly). Among her many

> comments:

> - some dinosaurs were vegetarian too and there were no emissions then,

> and they went extinct anyway

> - we're just in a climate cycle, there's nothing we can possibly do so

> there's no point in changing anything

>

> Then she asked me for more information, and when I gave it to her (very

> evenly and politely I must say, I know I won't win anyone over by being

> pushy) she responded that I was like a Jehovah's Witness pushing my

> opinion on everyone and had no right to send information to people who

> didn't ask for it!

>

> But on the plus side -- several people I sent it to responded to say

> thanks and told me about how they're trying to reduce their meat intake.

> My aunt decided to give up beef for Lent and said after the six weeks

> are over maybe she'll be able to give it up for good. A woman I know

> casually from my son's nursery school phoned me this morning to ask if I

> would mind if she forwarded it to a bunch of other people because she

> thought everyone should know this stuff, and she asked if I could send

> her some recipes (she's not vegetarian... yet...).

>

> I'm so thankful for this online community!

> Heather

>

> Allison wrote:

> >

> > Heather, if your cousin really cared about all of those workers,

> > he/she would stop eating animals. Slaughter house workers have the

> > highest rate of injury of any industry (and they have the mental

> > stresses like depression and more severe problems to go with it).

> >

> > Not to mention, his/her accounting of how things would unfold is

> > completely unsupported and likely NOT correct. I think it's safe to

> > say your cousin doesn't understand economics or how the economy works,

> > and he/she certainly doesn't understand that dietary-caused diseases

> > are the biggest burden on our health-care system. Making

> > environmentally-responsible changes to our lifestyles (in this case,

> > dietary lifestyle choices) can be a boon to the economy. The current

> > economy, including the food system, is built on a bubble econmy

> > (unsustainable) that will burst. THAT will cause much worse burdens

> > than in his/her bizarro-world version of economic problems from not

> > eating meat. Even your cousin's own illogical accounting has

> > discrepencies. He talks about an increased burden on our health care

> > system because we don't have enough workers and this being caused by a

> > lack of jobs. Lack of workers = jobs available (I know that there are

> > training issues here, but your cousin wasn't logical anyway, so I can

> > ignore the logic of training issues.)

> >

> > I'd love for your cousin to put me in touch with just one of these

> > vegan families with an unhealthy child. I doubt these families really

> > exist, and if they do, there is probably some other underlying cause

> > of the problem. There are certainly junk food vegans out there, and

> > there are plently of ways be unhealthy as a vegetarian or vegan, but I

> > don't personally know to many veg people eating like that. My son is

> > sick way less than his cousins, and when he is, it simply is so mild

> > that it is hard to even tell if he is sick (with a cold). A lot of

> > this boils down to germ-exposure and genetics, too, but diet has a big

> > hand in the body's ability to handle the sickness once there.

> >

> > I think all of us on this list are living proof that meat (or any

> > other animal product, for that matter) isn't necessary in the diet.

> >

> > Some people will find any excuses they can to maintain the status quo.

> > Bravo to you for trying to make a difference, though!

> >

> > --Allison

> >

> > <%40>

> > <%40>, Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Okay, this inspired me to send an e-mail out to a whole bunch of

> family

> > > and friends with some of the points from the study, saying " some

> of you

> > > were puzzled as to why we became vegan... " . I was careful to make

> it to

> > > the point but not heavy-handed and said I absolutely do not expect

> > > everyone to give up meat but it's easy to cut back by a few meals a

> > > week, and offered recipes. It was tough to push the send button on

> that

> > > one because I don't know what I'll get back! I just sent it 20 minutes

> > > ago and I already got this back from my cousin:

> > >

> > > Those were some interesting facts but please keep in mind too that by

> > > people eliminating eating meat their will also be alot of lost jobs

> > > which in turn leads to more people depending on food banks which can't

> > > keep up to begin with, more people on social assistance which

> would put

> > > our government in more of a deficet, lost revenue, all of which put a

> > > strain on living which in turn would make the rate of depression

> higher

> > > and those would have to use our health system which is already in dire

> > > need of help, we already have a shortage of doctors and nurses, we

> > > wouldn't be getting the sources of protein that you need for healthy

> > > living, and really canada's food guide has always contained meat

> as one

> > > of the essential foods to eat. I think people who become vegetarian or

> > > vegan should do so on their own and not have people make this choice

> > for

> > > them. I also know that from some of my friends that have children who

> > > are vegetarian and vegan and make their children eat the same as them

> > > their children have lots of health problems and always seem to be more

> > > sick then friend who eat a balanced diet. I'm not trying to rain on

> > your

> > > parade Heather, but the fact of the matter is that everyone makes

> their

> > > own choices and their are arguments for boths sides of every

> situation.

> > >

> > > Me again: I just though maybe it would make people think a bit, and if

> > > it just convinced a couple of people to cut back a bit... but I wonder

> > > how many of them will read it and have this same reaction and be less

> > > likely to listen to my points in future. Sigh :-(

> > > Heather

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

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To Heather,

I have to say that my proverbial hat is off to you.

Although you have one cousin who is obviously offended

that you are concerned for the earth, it is wonderful

that you have been able to positively influence

others. Your one act of boldness will affect many

people.

 

I am reading and learning more and more about the

truth behind the meat industries, the connection

between our diets and our health, the connection

between our food and our environments, and I feel like

I'm gagged when I'm around my family and others who

are still blinded by their own indifference.

Just announcing my/our decision to give up meat was

difficult and met with disbelief.

In my family, any difficult issue is effectively swept

under the rug and ignored. They just blow me off like

I'm a delusional nutcase. Still, I am not good at

being silent when I'm excited about something, so

they'll all have to listen to the nutcase whether they

want to or not.

 

Incidentally, I'm a home schooler and I'm always in an

educational mode, so when I got halfway through John

Robbins' The Food Revolution, I said " I have got to

put this in a book for kids. " I know that it would

reach my 10 year old in a new way if she could read it

for herself and study the facts.

I'm already planning on presenting it to our 5th-9th

graders at the co-op school for a few weeks, and I'm

hoping to make it into a unit study for home

schoolers.

I believe that this generation of students is ready to

hear about how the previous generations have messed

things up, and that they can do something about it.

 

What do you think?

 

 

<<But on the plus side -- several people I sent it to

responded to say

thanks and told me about how they're trying to reduce

their meat intake.

My aunt decided to give up beef for Lent and said

after the six weeks

are over maybe she'll be able to give it up for good.

A woman I know

casually from my son's nursery school phoned me this

morning to ask if I

would mind if she forwarded it to a bunch of other

people because she

thought everyone should know this stuff, and she asked

if I could send

her some recipes (she's not vegetarian.. . yet...).

 

I'm so thankful for this online community!

Heather>>

 

 

 

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I'm already planning on presenting it to our 5th-9th

graders at the co-op school for a few weeks, and I'm

hoping to make it into a unit study for home

schoolers.

I believe that this generation of students is ready to

hear about how the previous generations have messed

things up, and that they can do something about it.

 

What do you think?

 

We homeschool too.

My 9 1/2 yr old son wanted to become a vegi and we asked him to do a

position paper on it, researching pros and " cons " and then taking a stand

and telling us why - so we were sure it was his decision and not imitating

mommy.

 

He read several books for his paper. " Vegan - The New Ethics of Eating " by

Erik Marcus was one of the books that was most helpful to us. I can post my

sons report in text format if anyone is interested.?

 

Beth

 

On 2/28/07, Jen <thefourlakes wrote:

>

> To Heather,

> I have to say that my proverbial hat is off to you.

> Although you have one cousin who is obviously offended

> that you are concerned for the earth, it is wonderful

> that you have been able to positively influence

> others. Your one act of boldness will affect many

> people.

>

> I am reading and learning more and more about the

> truth behind the meat industries, the connection

> between our diets and our health, the connection

> between our food and our environments, and I feel like

> I'm gagged when I'm around my family and others who

> are still blinded by their own indifference.

> Just announcing my/our decision to give up meat was

> difficult and met with disbelief.

> In my family, any difficult issue is effectively swept

> under the rug and ignored. They just blow me off like

> I'm a delusional nutcase. Still, I am not good at

> being silent when I'm excited about something, so

> they'll all have to listen to the nutcase whether they

> want to or not.

>

> Incidentally, I'm a home schooler and I'm always in an

> educational mode, so when I got halfway through John

> Robbins' The Food Revolution, I said " I have got to

> put this in a book for kids. " I know that it would

> reach my 10 year old in a new way if she could read it

> for herself and study the facts.

> I'm already planning on presenting it to our 5th-9th

> graders at the co-op school for a few weeks, and I'm

> hoping to make it into a unit study for home

> schoolers.

> I believe that this generation of students is ready to

> hear about how the previous generations have messed

> things up, and that they can do something about it.

>

> What do you think?

>

> <<But on the plus side -- several people I sent it to

> responded to say

> thanks and told me about how they're trying to reduce

> their meat intake.

> My aunt decided to give up beef for Lent and said

> after the six weeks

> are over maybe she'll be able to give it up for good.

> A woman I know

> casually from my son's nursery school phoned me this

> morning to ask if I

> would mind if she forwarded it to a bunch of other

> people because she

> thought everyone should know this stuff, and she asked

> if I could send

> her some recipes (she's not vegetarian.. . yet...).

>

> I'm so thankful for this online community!

> Heather>>

>

> ________

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>

>

 

 

 

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It still gets forcefully ignored by many in our family, but some are

coming around. I am trying so hard not to push to the point that they'll

just write me off as obnoxious :-). I was really excited by the positive

response from that woman at the nursery school -- she actually told me

that after she read it she was watching the Oscars and wondered why on

earth Al Gore wasn't telling everyone this stuff in his documentary.

 

My mother-in-law keeps pulling out the " well I've eaten this all my life

and there's nothing wrong with me " argument (which is debatable, but I

won't go there!).

Heather

 

Jen wrote:

>

> To Heather,

> I have to say that my proverbial hat is off to you.

> Although you have one cousin who is obviously offended

> that you are concerned for the earth, it is wonderful

> that you have been able to positively influence

> others. Your one act of boldness will affect many

> people.

>

> I am reading and learning more and more about the

> truth behind the meat industries, the connection

> between our diets and our health, the connection

> between our food and our environments, and I feel like

> I'm gagged when I'm around my family and others who

> are still blinded by their own indifference.

> Just announcing my/our decision to give up meat was

> difficult and met with disbelief.

> In my family, any difficult issue is effectively swept

> under the rug and ignored. They just blow me off like

> I'm a delusional nutcase. Still, I am not good at

> being silent when I'm excited about something, so

> they'll all have to listen to the nutcase whether they

> want to or not.

>

> Incidentally, I'm a home schooler and I'm always in an

> educational mode, so when I got halfway through John

> Robbins' The Food Revolution, I said " I have got to

> put this in a book for kids. " I know that it would

> reach my 10 year old in a new way if she could read it

> for herself and study the facts.

> I'm already planning on presenting it to our 5th-9th

> graders at the co-op school for a few weeks, and I'm

> hoping to make it into a unit study for home

> schoolers.

> I believe that this generation of students is ready to

> hear about how the previous generations have messed

> things up, and that they can do something about it.

>

> What do you think?

>

> <<But on the plus side -- several people I sent it to

> responded to say

> thanks and told me about how they're trying to reduce

> their meat intake.

> My aunt decided to give up beef for Lent and said

> after the six weeks

> are over maybe she'll be able to give it up for good.

> A woman I know

> casually from my son's nursery school phoned me this

> morning to ask if I

> would mind if she forwarded it to a bunch of other

> people because she

> thought everyone should know this stuff, and she asked

> if I could send

> her some recipes (she's not vegetarian.. . yet...).

>

> I'm so thankful for this online community!

> Heather>>

>

> ________

> Looking for earth-friendly autos?

> Browse Top Cars by " Green Rating " at Autos' Green Center.

> http://autos./green_center/

> <http://autos./green_center/>

>

>

 

 

 

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<and I feel like

I'm gagged when I'm around my family and others who

are still blinded by their own indifference.>

 

Me, too!!! Especially at church--I go to church, but not SDA, and for whatever

reason, people seem to associate vegetarians with all kinds of extremist groups

and politics that aren't in any way connected to being a vegetarian. I feel the

need to tell people " I don't eat meat " because for some reason, that sounds

better than " I'm a vegetarian. " Some day, when they realize I am " normal " , I

will tell them and break some stereotypes. (We are pretty new to the area.)

 

Lucky me, I did find 1 vegetarian, though, who has been so for several years, so

that has been fantastic as I have only been so for a couple of months. I had

never met a vegetarian (that I know of) at all before I move here, so I am

happy!

 

Jen <thefourlakes wrote: To Heather,

I have to say that my proverbial hat is off to you.

Although you have one cousin who is obviously offended

that you are concerned for the earth, it is wonderful

that you have been able to positively influence

others. Your one act of boldness will affect many

people.

 

I am reading and learning more and more about the

truth behind the meat industries, the connection

between our diets and our health, the connection

between our food and our environments, and I feel like

I'm gagged when I'm around my family and others who

are still blinded by their own indifference.

Just announcing my/our decision to give up meat was

difficult and met with disbelief.

In my family, any difficult issue is effectively swept

under the rug and ignored. They just blow me off like

I'm a delusional nutcase. Still, I am not good at

being silent when I'm excited about something, so

they'll all have to listen to the nutcase whether they

want to or not.

 

Incidentally, I'm a home schooler and I'm always in an

educational mode, so when I got halfway through John

Robbins' The Food Revolution, I said " I have got to

put this in a book for kids. " I know that it would

reach my 10 year old in a new way if she could read it

for herself and study the facts.

I'm already planning on presenting it to our 5th-9th

graders at the co-op school for a few weeks, and I'm

hoping to make it into a unit study for home

schoolers.

I believe that this generation of students is ready to

hear about how the previous generations have messed

things up, and that they can do something about it.

 

What do you think?

 

<<But on the plus side -- several people I sent it to

responded to say

thanks and told me about how they're trying to reduce

their meat intake.

My aunt decided to give up beef for Lent and said

after the six weeks

are over maybe she'll be able to give it up for good.

A woman I know

casually from my son's nursery school phoned me this

morning to ask if I

would mind if she forwarded it to a bunch of other

people because she

thought everyone should know this stuff, and she asked

if I could send

her some recipes (she's not vegetarian.. . yet...).

 

I'm so thankful for this online community!

Heather>>

 

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I think that is a fantastic idea. I am trying to get my parents (who also

homeschool) to watch it, but they won't (and even if they did, they probably

would just remain in their state of denial). If the co-op watched it, though,

they would watch it with them. I also think the way you handled your son was

great, too! Kudos! :)

 

Beth Montgomery <biblechick wrote:

I'm already planning on presenting it to our 5th-9th

graders at the co-op school for a few weeks, and I'm

hoping to make it into a unit study for home

schoolers.

I believe that this generation of students is ready to

hear about how the previous generations have messed

things up, and that they can do something about it.

 

What do you think?

 

We homeschool too.

My 9 1/2 yr old son wanted to become a vegi and we asked him to do a

position paper on it, researching pros and " cons " and then taking a stand

and telling us why - so we were sure it was his decision and not imitating

mommy.

 

He read several books for his paper. " Vegan - The New Ethics of Eating " by

Erik Marcus was one of the books that was most helpful to us. I can post my

sons report in text format if anyone is interested.?

 

Beth

 

On 2/28/07, Jen <thefourlakes wrote:

>

> To Heather,

> I have to say that my proverbial hat is off to you.

> Although you have one cousin who is obviously offended

> that you are concerned for the earth, it is wonderful

> that you have been able to positively influence

> others. Your one act of boldness will affect many

> people.

>

> I am reading and learning more and more about the

> truth behind the meat industries, the connection

> between our diets and our health, the connection

> between our food and our environments, and I feel like

> I'm gagged when I'm around my family and others who

> are still blinded by their own indifference.

> Just announcing my/our decision to give up meat was

> difficult and met with disbelief.

> In my family, any difficult issue is effectively swept

> under the rug and ignored. They just blow me off like

> I'm a delusional nutcase. Still, I am not good at

> being silent when I'm excited about something, so

> they'll all have to listen to the nutcase whether they

> want to or not.

>

> Incidentally, I'm a home schooler and I'm always in an

> educational mode, so when I got halfway through John

> Robbins' The Food Revolution, I said " I have got to

> put this in a book for kids. " I know that it would

> reach my 10 year old in a new way if she could read it

> for herself and study the facts.

> I'm already planning on presenting it to our 5th-9th

> graders at the co-op school for a few weeks, and I'm

> hoping to make it into a unit study for home

> schoolers.

> I believe that this generation of students is ready to

> hear about how the previous generations have messed

> things up, and that they can do something about it.

>

> What do you think?

>

> <<But on the plus side -- several people I sent it to

> responded to say

> thanks and told me about how they're trying to reduce

> their meat intake.

> My aunt decided to give up beef for Lent and said

> after the six weeks

> are over maybe she'll be able to give it up for good.

> A woman I know

> casually from my son's nursery school phoned me this

> morning to ask if I

> would mind if she forwarded it to a bunch of other

> people because she

> thought everyone should know this stuff, and she asked

> if I could send

> her some recipes (she's not vegetarian.. . yet...).

>

> I'm so thankful for this online community!

> Heather>>

>

> ________

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> Browse Top Cars by " Green Rating " at Autos' Green Center.

> http://autos./green_center/

>

>

 

--

Blessings,

Beth

 

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