a rant

[Guest guest]

As terrified as I am of needles, after reading about acupuncture I would love to

try it out. This could be a nice " excuse " to try it. Thanks.

 

 

 

VAP79 wrote:

Acupuncture works very well with this particular issue. Look for a

practitioner with " Mac " after their name. It means they hold a master of

acupuncture

degree.

Chinese herbs help as well, usually dispensed by the acupuncturist.

Maybe another option for you!

Laura

 

abbey_road3012 writes:

 

I do have issues with my normal cycle, it's not predictable at all and I

have awful cramps. The pills work very well for me and I don't have any

problems

with them. If it ends up that I am unable to get them, though, I think we

will end up getting Jeff a vasectomy. Poor guy.

 

[Guest guest]

have you looked into dong quai (a chinese herb) or other treatments for cramps?

you are not required to suffer the pain!

 

Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: I've never used anything but

the pill and condoms... I like this Seasonale because it's a 3 month cycle,

which means horrible cramps only once every three months rather than every three

to five weeks. I got a call back earlier and they are apparently not going to

work with me at all, so I am looking for other options. Worst case I'll have to

pay out of pocket for one visit to a midwife or something and get the

prescription, which the insurance will then cover... hopefully that won't be too

expensive.

 

robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: What about a diaphram? Around 30, my

blood pressure spike from the pill. I love using reliable contraception that

doesn't mess with my body.

 

Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: Well this is going to be one of my big

fights... during both my pregnancies I was pushed into having multiple exams and

it made me feel so dirty afterwards that I wouldn't even leave the house for

several days. Irrational, I know! I guess they'd rather have me get pregnant

than have the pills. Maybe I ought to bring that up to them, that if they don't

give me birth control pills I'll end up pregnant and they'll have that to deal

with... though the way the base clinic is operated here I don't think I'd trust

them with me if I was pregnant!

I think they just expect us to be ignorant. True, most people are ignorant on

this subject, but it's just like when I take my dogs to the vet and get talked

to like I'm a moron... it's so common that they just treat everyone like an

idiot. I wish they'd just assess each situation and behave accordingly. Instead

of forcing me into something I absolutely don't want or need done, they could

look at my lifestyle and diet and family history, see that I'm at very, very low

risk, and just write the stupid prescription. But instead they just assume I

don't know anything, give me the choice of being violated or not having any

birth control, and leave no room for anything else. What is sad is that the Air

Force is not concerned with the long-term health of anyone in its care. The

insurance will pay for all the antibiotics you can swallow, vaccinations galore,

and all these routine things like pap tests, but the doctors know absolutely

nothing about gentler ways to heal or even ways

to prevent illness. Detect and treat- that's it. There I go rambling again,

sorry!

 

Jill Wenzel <jillben2005 wrote: I think this is similar to how

you HAVE to have an eye exam every

two years or you cannot get new contacts. They say it is for your

best to make sure you are not developing any eye diseases, but I

believe it's just a way to make sure that they keep the money

rolling in.

I agree with you that it stinks, especially when you really want the

birth control pills or the new contacts, but sometimes I figure I

need to save up my energy for the bigger fights.

When it comes to their pocketbooks, I don't know that we stand a

chance and I'm sure that it is policy and good luck changing

policy...there's no one to blame, right? Hmm.

Jill

 

, " Kadee " <abbey_road3012

wrote:

>

> I went to my " well woman " doctor visit today since it's required to

> get my birth control pills. I said no to the pap test since I had

one

> about a year and a half ago and I'm not at high risk for anything

and

> those visits always leave me feeling filthy for quite some time. So

> the doctor refuses to give me birth control pills if I don't have

the

> stupid test done. Makes me wonder if they'll treat me for the flu

> since I refused the vaccine! Why do they insist I have this test

> yearly? Jeff and I are thinking of having another baby, we'd

conceive

> next year sometime, and after this visit I'm terrified they'd

> " require " other things while I was pregnant like exams and

medication

> and all that (Air Force doctors are the ultimate pill pushers). The

> thread on this list not long ago got me wondering and I did lots of

> reading, and apparently a lot of things were done to me while I was

> pregnant that were very unnecessary. So I'm pretty upset with these

> doctors! I can't think of any reason why I would need yearly pap

> tests. I'm 22, had completely uneventful pregnancies, no c-

sections,

> I'm healthy, I don't smoke, no family history of any female

> problems... why on earth should I go have this done every year??

And

> for them to deny me birth control because I won't consent to

something

> I feel is unnecessary... such crap. Maybe they think I'll just get

> pregnant and they can force me into the test then!

>

> Kadee Sedtal

>

 

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My understanding as to having a yearly pap smear is that it is within a 3 year

period of having them that they can detect something. In other words, it might

not show up on 2 out of the 3. So if you have them only every 3 years, something

can be missed and then grown quite a bit by the time it is picked up 3 years

later - possibly too late to do anything about it.

 

Carmen in Switzerland

who also HATES having them done but has HPV and has had growths...

 

 

 

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I'll check that out if I end up off b/c... even if I don't, hey, maybe I won't

have to hurt every three months. Thanks!

 

 

 

robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: have

you looked into dong quai (a chinese herb) or other treatments for cramps? you

are not required to suffer the pain!

 

Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: I've never used anything but

the pill and condoms... I like this Seasonale because it's a 3 month cycle,

which means horrible cramps only once every three months rather than every three

to five weeks. I got a call back earlier and they are apparently not going to

work with me at all, so I am looking for other options. Worst case I'll have to

pay out of pocket for one visit to a midwife or something and get the

prescription, which the insurance will then cover... hopefully that won't be too

expensive.

 

robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: What about a diaphram? Around 30, my

blood pressure spike from the pill. I love using reliable contraception that

doesn't mess with my body.

 

Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: Well this is going to be one of my

big fights... during both my pregnancies I was pushed into having multiple exams

and it made me feel so dirty afterwards that I wouldn't even leave the house for

several days. Irrational, I know! I guess they'd rather have me get pregnant

than have the pills. Maybe I ought to bring that up to them, that if they don't

give me birth control pills I'll end up pregnant and they'll have that to deal

with... though the way the base clinic is operated here I don't think I'd trust

them with me if I was pregnant!

I think they just expect us to be ignorant. True, most people are ignorant on

this subject, but it's just like when I take my dogs to the vet and get talked

to like I'm a moron... it's so common that they just treat everyone like an

idiot. I wish they'd just assess each situation and behave accordingly. Instead

of forcing me into something I absolutely don't want or need done, they could

look at my lifestyle and diet and family history, see that I'm at very, very low

risk, and just write the stupid prescription. But instead they just assume I

don't know anything, give me the choice of being violated or not having any

birth control, and leave no room for anything else. What is sad is that the Air

Force is not concerned with the long-term health of anyone in its care. The

insurance will pay for all the antibiotics you can swallow, vaccinations galore,

and all these routine things like pap tests, but the doctors know absolutely

nothing about gentler ways to heal or even ways

to prevent illness. Detect and treat- that's it. There I go rambling again,

sorry!

 

Jill Wenzel <jillben2005 wrote: I think this is similar to how

you HAVE to have an eye exam every

two years or you cannot get new contacts. They say it is for your

best to make sure you are not developing any eye diseases, but I

believe it's just a way to make sure that they keep the money

rolling in.

I agree with you that it stinks, especially when you really want the

birth control pills or the new contacts, but sometimes I figure I

need to save up my energy for the bigger fights.

When it comes to their pocketbooks, I don't know that we stand a

chance and I'm sure that it is policy and good luck changing

policy...there's no one to blame, right? Hmm.

Jill

 

, " Kadee " <abbey_road3012

wrote:

>

> I went to my " well woman " doctor visit today since it's required to

> get my birth control pills. I said no to the pap test since I had

one

> about a year and a half ago and I'm not at high risk for anything

and

> those visits always leave me feeling filthy for quite some time. So

> the doctor refuses to give me birth control pills if I don't have

the

> stupid test done. Makes me wonder if they'll treat me for the flu

> since I refused the vaccine! Why do they insist I have this test

> yearly? Jeff and I are thinking of having another baby, we'd

conceive

> next year sometime, and after this visit I'm terrified they'd

> " require " other things while I was pregnant like exams and

medication

> and all that (Air Force doctors are the ultimate pill pushers). The

> thread on this list not long ago got me wondering and I did lots of

> reading, and apparently a lot of things were done to me while I was

> pregnant that were very unnecessary. So I'm pretty upset with these

> doctors! I can't think of any reason why I would need yearly pap

> tests. I'm 22, had completely uneventful pregnancies, no c-

sections,

> I'm healthy, I don't smoke, no family history of any female

> problems... why on earth should I go have this done every year??

And

> for them to deny me birth control because I won't consent to

something

> I feel is unnecessary... such crap. Maybe they think I'll just get

> pregnant and they can force me into the test then!

>

> Kadee Sedtal

>

 

Kadee Sedtal

 

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stay warm the rest of his life.

 

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[Guest guest]

I said society has to smarten up. And I wasn't just talking about

pap tests. Men avoid going for prostate exams too. There seems to

be a stigma associated with having personal parts of our body

examined for medical purposes. It is up to you wether you get the

test done or not. I just know from first hand the consequences of

not getting the test done.

 

Prevention is important but it doesn't mean you will never get it.

 

I also said that the doctor shouldn't have refused BCP because you

didn't want the exam. BC is a personal choice too.

 

My hope was to make people aware that having an annual checkup

including a pap test is important and it can save a life.

 

 

> Being told to " smarten up " after I have obviously not done

anything stupid, that might be taken as offensive by a lot of

people. Personal choice is the subject, not whether or not testing

can be beneficial. We all know it can be. Testing too often is

ridiculous though. I *really* do not appreciate being talked down to.

>

>

>

>

>

> darranged wrote: This thread

is getting rather *emotional* and attacking some of the

> people who don't mean to offend. And it's technically off topic.

I

> think many tests are overdone and unnecessary, but in some cases

they

> may be the only way to catch certain life threatening problems.

>

> >Smarten up? It's not like I am refusing the test because I'm not

> >intelligent. I had all those tests done while I was pregnant and

> >would go home and not leave the house or even answer the phone

for

> >several days. It may not be " sexual, " but it is very personal

and my

> >feelings on the matter should not be thrown aside just saying it

> >might save my life... it's not like I'm refusing them forever,

just

> >annual ones are not necessary. Every three years, fine. I should

be

> >entitled to make my own choices, and the clinic is giving me the

> >options of having something done that makes me feel like I've

been

> >raped, not having sex with my husband when the marriage is

already

> >pretty rocky, or using less effective birth control and running

the

> >risk of an unplanned pregnancy, something we aren't ready for

just

> >yet. If I slept around, sure there's a risk of all sorts of

STDs.

> >But my husband and I are only with each other and we have both

been

> >tested for STDs since being with anyone else. I'm not

> > an idiot for feeling the way I do. I'm not irresponsible

either. I

> >take excellent care of myself. Is another woman more responsible

if

> >she gets fat on Big Macs and donuts, then goes in for yearly

exams?

> >The exams aren't the important part, prevention is. I've been a

> >vegetarian over ten years. That alone decreases my chances of

having

> >problems. Add to that I eat mostly unprocessed foods and very

> >healthy things. That is what makes me responsible, not going in

> >every year to see if my stupid choices have caught up with me

yet.

> >Pap tests aren't prevention, they're tests. Is someone

responsible

> >if they take a drug test after taking drugs? Or getting an STD

tests

> >after changing partners like underwear? I prevent problems, I

just

> >refuse to be tested for them way too often. I'm sorry for what

> >happened to your mother, but that is not something that happens

> >often at all. Whenever I feel like it's time to get this test, I

> >will have it done. Till then I have the right to refuse this

> > test- no " smartening up " required. The smartening up needs to

be

> >done by people who are killing themselves every time they sit

down

> >to the dinner table, who smoke, who drink all the time.

> >

> >

> >

> >audhead <audhead wrote:

> >Okay, society has to smarten up. Men refuse to get a prostate

exam.

> > Women refuse to get a pap test. None of this is sexual. It's

life

> > saving. Yes, if you are sexually active you should have an

exam. A

> > pap test can help find the Papilloma Virus which you can pass

on to

> > anyone you are sexually involved with. Human papilloma virus,

or

> > HPV, can cause changes to the cells in the cervix. It is

estimated

> > that 97 percent of abnormal Pap smears are due to HPV

infection.

> > There are many different strains of HPV; some strains increase

a

> > woman's risk of cervical cancer. My mother avoided going for

Pap

> > tests probably because she was uncomfortable. Maybe if she

had

> > started earlier in her life getting regular tests she would

have

> > detected her cancer earlier and not passed away at the age of

40.

> > My mother had an uneventful pregnancy, no c-sections, healthy,

didn't

> > smoke, didn't drink, no family history of any female

problems. Yes,

> > she was 40 but like I said if she had been in the habit of

having

> > regular tests she might be alive today.

> >

> > I don't believe it is proper for a physician to withhold BCP

because

> > you won't take a test. If he's a good doctor he'd ask you

why, give

> > you sound reasons why you should have the test and if you still

> > refuse recommend seeing someone you are more comfortable

with. When

> > I was in my 20's I felt more comfortable with a female

doctor. Now

> > that I'm in my 40's I still don't look forward to my annual

physical

> > but I want to be around for my children and my children's

children.

> > Every year when the kids go back to school I see the doctor.

If I

> > don't want to go because I'm embarrassed but I know I have to

go for

> > my kids' sake.

> >

> > All too often we just settle for the `service' we get from

> > professionals. Please don't let this experience stop you from

taking

> > care of your body.

> >

> > I'm sorry if this sounds preachy but I wish I knew that my mom

wasn't

> > having here yearly exams. I would have talked to convince her

she

> > needed to. I just wish I had the opportunity.

> >

> > Always Audrey

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Kadee Sedtal

> >

> >Build a man a fire and he'll stay warm for a day. Set a man on

fire

> >and he'll stay warm the rest of his life.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Society is people. Individuals. And there's nothing wrong with being freaked out

by having that part of my body gone over, for any reason. I'm not looking at it

as a sexual thing. I hate needles with a similarly passionate hatred. I'm not

saying nothing is ever going to go wrong, just that the annual tests aren't

appropriate for everyone.

 

 

 

audhead <audhead wrote: I said

society has to smarten up. And I wasn't just talking about

pap tests. Men avoid going for prostate exams too. There seems to

be a stigma associated with having personal parts of our body

examined for medical purposes. It is up to you wether you get the

test done or not. I just know from first hand the consequences of

not getting the test done.

 

Prevention is important but it doesn't mean you will never get it.

 

I also said that the doctor shouldn't have refused BCP because you

didn't want the exam. BC is a personal choice too.

 

My hope was to make people aware that having an annual checkup

including a pap test is important and it can save a life.

 

> Being told to " smarten up " after I have obviously not done

anything stupid, that might be taken as offensive by a lot of

people. Personal choice is the subject, not whether or not testing

can be beneficial. We all know it can be. Testing too often is

ridiculous though. I *really* do not appreciate being talked down to.

>

>

>

>

>

> darranged wrote: This thread

is getting rather *emotional* and attacking some of the

> people who don't mean to offend. And it's technically off topic.

I

> think many tests are overdone and unnecessary, but in some cases

they

> may be the only way to catch certain life threatening problems.

>

> >Smarten up? It's not like I am refusing the test because I'm not

> >intelligent. I had all those tests done while I was pregnant and

> >would go home and not leave the house or even answer the phone

for

> >several days. It may not be " sexual, " but it is very personal

and my

> >feelings on the matter should not be thrown aside just saying it

> >might save my life... it's not like I'm refusing them forever,

just

> >annual ones are not necessary. Every three years, fine. I should

be

> >entitled to make my own choices, and the clinic is giving me the

> >options of having something done that makes me feel like I've

been

> >raped, not having sex with my husband when the marriage is

already

> >pretty rocky, or using less effective birth control and running

the

> >risk of an unplanned pregnancy, something we aren't ready for

just

> >yet. If I slept around, sure there's a risk of all sorts of

STDs.

> >But my husband and I are only with each other and we have both

been

> >tested for STDs since being with anyone else. I'm not

> > an idiot for feeling the way I do. I'm not irresponsible

either. I

> >take excellent care of myself. Is another woman more responsible

if

> >she gets fat on Big Macs and donuts, then goes in for yearly

exams?

> >The exams aren't the important part, prevention is. I've been a

> >vegetarian over ten years. That alone decreases my chances of

having

> >problems. Add to that I eat mostly unprocessed foods and very

> >healthy things. That is what makes me responsible, not going in

> >every year to see if my stupid choices have caught up with me

yet.

> >Pap tests aren't prevention, they're tests. Is someone

responsible

> >if they take a drug test after taking drugs? Or getting an STD

tests

> >after changing partners like underwear? I prevent problems, I

just

> >refuse to be tested for them way too often. I'm sorry for what

> >happened to your mother, but that is not something that happens

> >often at all. Whenever I feel like it's time to get this test, I

> >will have it done. Till then I have the right to refuse this

> > test- no " smartening up " required. The smartening up needs to

be

> >done by people who are killing themselves every time they sit

down

> >to the dinner table, who smoke, who drink all the time.

> >

> >

> >

> >audhead <audhead wrote:

> >Okay, society has to smarten up. Men refuse to get a prostate

exam.

> > Women refuse to get a pap test. None of this is sexual. It's

life

> > saving. Yes, if you are sexually active you should have an

exam. A

> > pap test can help find the Papilloma Virus which you can pass

on to

> > anyone you are sexually involved with. Human papilloma virus,

or

> > HPV, can cause changes to the cells in the cervix. It is

estimated

> > that 97 percent of abnormal Pap smears are due to HPV

infection.

> > There are many different strains of HPV; some strains increase

a

> > woman's risk of cervical cancer. My mother avoided going for

Pap

> > tests probably because she was uncomfortable. Maybe if she

had

> > started earlier in her life getting regular tests she would

have

> > detected her cancer earlier and not passed away at the age of

40.

> > My mother had an uneventful pregnancy, no c-sections, healthy,

didn't

> > smoke, didn't drink, no family history of any female

problems. Yes,

> > she was 40 but like I said if she had been in the habit of

having

> > regular tests she might be alive today.

> >

> > I don't believe it is proper for a physician to withhold BCP

because

> > you won't take a test. If he's a good doctor he'd ask you

why, give

> > you sound reasons why you should have the test and if you still

> > refuse recommend seeing someone you are more comfortable

with. When

> > I was in my 20's I felt more comfortable with a female

doctor. Now

> > that I'm in my 40's I still don't look forward to my annual

physical

> > but I want to be around for my children and my children's

children.

> > Every year when the kids go back to school I see the doctor.

If I

> > don't want to go because I'm embarrassed but I know I have to

go for

> > my kids' sake.

> >

> > All too often we just settle for the `service' we get from

> > professionals. Please don't let this experience stop you from

taking

> > care of your body.

> >

> > I'm sorry if this sounds preachy but I wish I knew that my mom

wasn't

> > having here yearly exams. I would have talked to convince her

she

> > needed to. I just wish I had the opportunity.

> >

> > Always Audrey

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Kadee Sedtal

> >

> >Build a man a fire and he'll stay warm for a day. Set a man on

fire

> >and he'll stay warm the rest of his life.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Sponsored Link

> >

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