Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 In a message dated 1/2/04 9:23:05 AM, writes: > http://vegancats.com/ > knowing what i know about cats, and seeing what i've seen with my own and other cats' health, i would be VERY careful with a vegan diet for cats. looking at the ingredients of the canned and kibble, i see quite a few red flags. and as a quick note, kibble is usually a bad idea for cats. most people feed it thinking it will keep the cat's teeth clean, but this is not so. also, cats get most of their water from their food-- kibble, which is usually 60% or more non-nutriative fillers, can really dehydrate a cat and cause lots of problems. this is an extra-bad situation if your cat throws up a lot to begin with, since that dehydrates the cat even more. here is a very quick initial analysis of the ingredients of the canned and kibble on vegancats.com: Evolution Cat Cans Filtered Water Sufficient for Processing, Peas, Avocado [Peas & Avocado only], Potatoes [Vegetable Stew only], -- cats cannot absorb many nutrients from most vegetable sources; these ingredients will mostly just pass through their system (and cause a very stinky litter box). Brown Rice,-- easier on the stomach than most cereal ingredients, but still, an ideal cat diet has NO cereal ingredients. this is used as a filler and does nothing nutritionally for cats. Carrots, -- cats can't synthesize beta carotene; also, see what i wrote for peas and avocado. Wheat Germ, Oat Groats, -- see what i wrote for brown rice other ingredients are probably ok, although i wonder as to the taurine source: Dicalcium Phosphate, Soybean Oil, Brewer's Dried Yeast, DL-Methionine, L-Taurine, L-Carnitine [Vegetable Stew only], Guar Gum, Sea Kelp, DL-Alpha Tocopherol Acetate (Vitamin E),Vitamin A Acetate, Ergocalciferol (Vitamin D-2), Choline Chloride, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganese Oxide, Niacin, Calcium Pantothenate, Copper Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Thiamin Mononitrate, Pyroxidine Hydrochloride, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Sodium Selenate, Arachidonate Acid. **************** Whole Oat Groat Flour, a stomach irritant and simply a filler. does nothing nutritionally for cats. Corn Gluten Meal, -- RED FLAG. this is probably the WORST thing for a cat's digestive system. this is what urges on many cases of feline inflammatory bowel disease. Soybean Meal, Soybean Oil, more non-nutriative fillers. soybeans do provide some protein, but not to the extent that cats need it. Carrots, Dried Tomato Pomace, Dried Potato Product, --see what i wrote for veggies in the canned food. Dehydrated Beet Molasses, for what? also, excess sugars in feed can often instigate tumor growth in cats. the rest is probably ok. Deflourinated Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Salt, Taurine, Arachidonic Acid, Arginine, DL-Methionine, Enzyme Bromelain from Pineapple Stem & Fruit, Enzyme Papain from Papaya, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Bifidobacterium Bifidum Fermentation Product, Lysine, Garlic, Choline Chloride, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D2 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Ascorbic Acid, Calcium Pantothenate, Manganous Oxide, Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Kelp Meal, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex, Folic Acid, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Inositol, Biotin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite, Zinc Methionine Complex, Copper Lysine Complex, Manganese Methionine Complex, Arachidonic Acid, Cobalt Glucoheptonate. hope this helps. melody http://www.melodysmusic.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 > , nadiana1@a... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 1/2/04 9:23:05 AM, > > > writes: > > > > > > > http://vegancats.com/ > > > > > knowing what i know about cats, and seeing what i've seen with my > own and > > other cats' health, i would be VERY careful with a vegan diet for > cats. looking > > at the ingredients of the canned and kibble, i see quite a few red > flags. > > and as a quick note, kibble is usually a bad idea for cats. most > people feed > > it thinking it will keep the cat's teeth clean, but this is not > so. also, > > cats get most of their water from their food-- kibble, which is > usually 60% or > > more non-nutriative fillers, can really dehydrate a cat and cause > lots of > > problems. this is an extra-bad situation if your cat throws up a > lot to begin > > with, since that dehydrates the cat even more. I see, I have never heard of that kibble before. Could it at least be a good complement ? I mean alterning between kibble and other meals. > > here is a very quick initial analysis of the ingredients of the > canned and > > kibble on vegancats.com: > > > > Evolution Cat Cans Filtered Water Sufficient for Processing, > > > > Peas, Avocado [Peas & Avocado only], Potatoes [Vegetable Stew only], > -- cats > > cannot absorb many nutrients from most vegetable sources; these > ingredients > > will mostly just pass through their system (and cause a very stinky > litter box). > > > > Brown Rice,-- easier on the stomach than most cereal ingredients, > but still, > > an ideal cat diet has NO cereal ingredients. this is used as a > filler and > > does nothing nutritionally for cats. > > > > Carrots, -- cats can't synthesize beta carotene; also, see what i > wrote for > > peas and avocado. > > > > Wheat Germ, Oat Groats, -- see what i wrote for brown rice > > > > other ingredients are probably ok, although i wonder as to the taurine > > source: > > > > Dicalcium Phosphate, Soybean Oil, Brewer's Dried Yeast, DL-Methionine, > > L-Taurine, L-Carnitine [Vegetable Stew only], Guar Gum, Sea Kelp, > DL-Alpha > > Tocopherol Acetate (Vitamin E),Vitamin A Acetate, Ergocalciferol > (Vitamin D-2), Choline > > Chloride, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganese Oxide, Niacin, Calcium > > Pantothenate, Copper Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Riboflavin Supplement > (Vitamin B-2), > > Thiamin Mononitrate, Pyroxidine Hydrochloride, Folic Acid, Biotin, > Vitamin > > B-12 Supplement, Sodium Selenate, Arachidonate Acid. > > > > **************** > > > > Whole Oat Groat Flour, a stomach irritant and simply a filler. > does > > nothing nutritionally for cats. > > > > Corn Gluten Meal, -- RED FLAG. this is probably the WORST thing > for a cat's > > digestive system. this is what urges on many cases of feline > inflammatory > > bowel disease. Aie aie aie... That's for the warning. > > Soybean Meal, Soybean Oil, more non-nutriative fillers. soybeans do > > provide some protein, but not to the extent that cats need it. > > > > Carrots, Dried Tomato Pomace, Dried Potato Product, --see what i > wrote for > > veggies in the canned food. > > > > Dehydrated Beet Molasses, for what? also, excess sugars in feed > can often > > instigate tumor growth in cats. > > > > the rest is probably ok. > > > > Deflourinated Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Salt, > > Taurine, Arachidonic Acid, Arginine, DL-Methionine, Enzyme Bromelain > from Pineapple > > Stem & Fruit, Enzyme Papain from Papaya, Dried Lactobacillus > Acidophilus > > Fermentation Product, Dried Bifidobacterium Bifidum Fermentation > Product, Lysine, > > Garlic, Choline Chloride, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Vitamin A > Acetate, > > Vitamin D2 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Ascorbic Acid, > Calcium > > Pantothenate, Manganous Oxide, Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Thiamine > Mononitrate, Kelp > > Meal, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex, Folic Acid, Riboflavin > Supplement > > (Vitamin B-2), Inositol, Biotin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Calcium > Iodate, Sodium > > Selenite, Zinc Methionine Complex, Copper Lysine Complex, Manganese > Methionine > > Complex, Arachidonic Acid, Cobalt Glucoheptonate. That's not very encouraging... I don't know what to think, reading those ingredients confuse me and reading the cat food boxes ingredients in supermarkets disgust me. > In a message dated 1/3/04 9:29:50 AM, > > </post?postID=lrhLZg508DBnsd84ic\ i7fhAWPOIKh5dJBTpZpZx9abAheduOL0MuYWSBpS40zFimuwv41KXsdFyd8i654i1tIlWkr8sug3unPB\ XciA> > writes: > > > > The other amino acid cats need a lot of (which is non-essential for > > humans) is arginine. It can be found in whole-wheat, nuts, seeds, > > peanuts, brown rice, raisins and soy. If you do decide to make your > > cat vegan, then do so gradually and stop if he isn't eating the vegan > > food. > > > > while it is true that cats need arginine, cats generally cannot absorb it > from the ingredients listed above, and many (if not all) of those > ingredients > can > cause intestinal distress in cats. > > > > >As long as your cat actually eats the vegan food then he should be > > >healthier than one eating meat, even raw meat. > > > a nice thought, but unfortunately an innacurate one. the fact is, cats > absorb minimal nutrients from non-meat sources. if i could raise my > cats vegan > i > would, but in their best interest, i choose not to. i have really done a > LOT of research on this, and had to come to terms with the fact that > cats are, > like it or not, strict carnivores. had i not changed my joanie's diet, she > would most likely not be with me right now. > > > >Factory processed meat can contain parasites, ecoli, salmonella. > > > very true. however, most cats do not get salmonella poisoning from their > food due to the digestive transit time. I know three cats that find it difficult to digest salmon. I gave them Salmon in can (the same than for humans) in brine. They seemed to like it, but they eat the plate very slowly, it was probably quite a lot of fat. They didn't ask for any more food the whole day and I did not see them playing or runing aroung. It must have been like a stone in their stomac. I don't give them salmon anymore. > > >Tuna and other fish > > >have high levels of mercury (which is toxic). > > > cats should not eat tuna, and for many reasons besides the mercury > content. aaarg ! No Tuna ? But they like it so much... I use to alternate between cans of Tuna in brine and crunchies. Since I am reluctant to by the chicken or duck flafors, I always take the tuna one... I just felt that it's better to buy a can of tuna in brine, than a can of pate containing all sort of animal flours, flavoured chemicals, etc... Why is Tuna so bad for them ? > i copied the following from the catnutrition.org website-- i encourage > everyone who wants to know about this issue to order a copy of the > article. > > > > One of the finest recent pieces of scientific work on the issue of > feline nutrition is titled " The carnivore connection to nutrition in > cats, " by Debra L. Zoran, DVM, PhD, DACVIM. A brief description of the > article (posted here with permission from the American Veterinary > Medical Association): > " The information reported here is an attempt to describe what it > means metabolically and nutritionally to be a strict carnivore, with a > focus on differences in nutritional biochemistry of cats. In addition, > information is included on possible roles of nutrition in the > development of obesity, idiopathic hepatic lipidosis (IHL), inflammatory > bowel > disease, and diabetes mellitus in cats. " > Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, > 2002:221:1559-1567 > The American Veterinary Medical Association advises that readers may > request single copies of the article to be sent to them at no charge. > All you need to do is provide your full name, mailing address, and > the name and address of your veterinarian. Believe me, this article is > well worth the effort. If you're interested in a copy, please > contact: > Diane A. Fagen, Librarian > American Veterinary Medical Association > 1931 N. Meachem Rd., Suite 100 > Schaumburg, IL 60173-4360 > Telephone: 847/925-8070, extension 6770 > Fax: 847/925-9329 > e-mail: dfagen@a... > </post?postID=7y0TJUI1sjk08ecx3g\ nSSwMcL0nOJJftyMO-j9JVdlA8P2aJdszIJZjSRnkInRYZpchdnultPgqF> > <http://www.melodysmusic.net> Thanks a lot for all those precious information. I still don't know what I'm going to give my lovely cat for her next meal, probably the usual chunks ( It's just so anoying to see in my shopping basket so many animal products derivatives, it turns me in a bad mood. Of course, the mood goes back to good when the cat thank me whith her eyes or her ronrons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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