Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 Got... Breast Cancer? Prostate Cancer? Crohn's Disease? Heart Disease Sick Kids? Osteoporosis Fat? Veal? Fat? Zits? Gas? Mucus? Beer? Click here for the truth about dairy products and strong bones. MILK SUCKS... FOR THE ANIMALS: Corporate-owned factories where cows are warehoused in huge sheds and treated like milk machines have replaced most small family farms. With genetic manipulation and intensive production technologies, it is common for modern dairy cows to produce 100 pounds of milk a day— 10 times more than they would produce in nature. To keep milk production as high as possible, farmers artificially inseminate cows every year. Growth hormones and unnatural milking schedules cause dairy cows' udders to become painful and so heavy that they sometimes drag on the ground, resulting in frequent infections and overuse of antibiotics. Cows -- like all mammals -- make milk to feed their own babies -- not humans. Male calves, the " byproducts " of the dairy industry, endure 14 to17 weeks of torment in veal crates so small that they can't even turn around. Female calves often replace their old, worn-out mothers, or are slaughtered soon after birth for the rennet in their stomachs (an ingredient of most commercial cheeses). They are often kept in tiny crates or tethered in stalls for the first few months of their lives, only to grow up to become " milk machines " like their mothers. FOR THE ENVIRONMENT: Cow's milk is an inefficient food source. Cows, like humans, expend the majority of their food intake simply leading their lives. It takes a great deal of grain and other foodstuffs cycled through cows to produce a small amount of milk. And not only is milk a waste of energy and water, the production of milk is also a disastrous source of water pollution. A dairy cow produces 120 pounds of waste every day -- equal to that of two dozen people, but with no toilets, sewers, or treatment plants. In Lancaster County, Pa., manure from dairy cows is destroying the Chesapeake Bay, and in California, which produces one-fifth of the country's total supply of milk, the manure from dairy farms has poisoned vast expanses of underground water, rivers, and streams. In the Central Valley of California, the cows produce as much excrement as a city of 21 million people, and even a smallish farm of 200 cows will produce as much nitrogen as in the sewage from a community of 5,000 to 10,000 people, according to a U.S. Senate report on animal waste. FOR YOUR HEALTH: Dairy products are a health hazard. They contain no fiber or complex carbohydrates and are laden with saturated fat and cholesterol. They are contaminated with cow's blood and pus and are frequently contaminated with pesticides, hormones, and antibiotics. Dairy products are linked to allergies, constipation, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and other diseases. The late Dr. Benjamin Spock, America's leading authority on child care, spoke out against feeding cow's milk to children, saying it can cause anemia, allergies, and insulin-dependent diabetes and in the long term, will set kids up for obesity and heart disease, America's number one cause of death. And dairy products may actually cause osteoporosis, not prevent it, since their high-protein content leaches calcium from the body. Population studies, backed up by a groundbreaking Harvard study of more than 75,000 nurses, suggest that drinking milk can actually cause osteoporosis. Find out more by visiting our links page. WHAT YOU CAN DO: According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the average American consumes more than 550 pounds of dairy products annually, which is 40 percent of the bulk of the food we eat. Click here to see an illustration of the " Food Pyramid " which is representative of actual American eating habits. Give the bottle the boot! Instead, try delicious soy or rice milk, soy cheese, Tofutti ice cream, and tofu sour cream and cream cheese. All are widely available at health food stores and many supermarkets. Click here for information on adopting a dairy-free diet. In The News Anit-milk ad 'a cheap point at the expense of Catholics' (The Vancouver Sun) Factory Dairies Invade Wisconsin (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel) White Poison: The Horrors of Milk(Times of India) " There's no reason to drink cow's milk at any time in your life. It was designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop drinking it today. " -Dr. Frank A. Oski Former Director of Pediatrics, Johns Hopkins University People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals 501 Front St., Norfolk, VA 23510; 757-622-PETA MilkSucks.comLiving Dairy-FreeFind Out MoreFree Vegetarian Starter PackVegNow.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 Yeah milk sucks, I agree it's cruel and unhealthy, no denying that, but let's not lose sight of the fact that the REAL huge cause of many diseases such as heart disease and many cancers is tobacco smoke, and not only for smokers, but for non-smokers in the same home or workplace as people smoking. Second hand smoke is a great pollutant leading to early death and disease in non-smokers and has been for many years, and it's not even their fault, they are innocent victims. Non-smokers even get lung cancer too, and they hardly ever would if it weren't for smokers. Smoking, both active ansd passive is linked to breast cancer as well as lung and throat cancer, http://ash.org/dangers/bcancer.html As for sick kids, I know all about that, I was a sick kid because of my mother smoking, my decision to go veggie and then vegan on ethical grounds made NO DIFFERENCE to me healthwise although it made me feel I was a better person for not harming animals. The only thing that helped me to be healthy and alleviated my mucus and chest trouble (which in some people is dairy linked) was moving away from my parents' home, I also had a constant headache all through my childhood and within a couple of weeks of leaving home, as well as the mucus and breathing trouble mostly clearing up, the headache was also gone only to return whenever I was occasionally around people smoking in a pub for instance. Leaving home at 19 was the first time I felt like a real human being and not some sick weakling, and all because of my mother and her dirty habit, which I was obviously always highly allergic to. I'm finally fighting back, I was poisoned and I am angry when people almost totally blame other poisons in dairy for diseases for which smoking is the real largest cause. I am vegan and committed to staying an ethical vegan for life, BUT I will speak out when I see the vegan movement undermining anti-tobacco campaigning by overstating the role of dairy in cancers. I can argue from experience of being a sickly child, and even if people argue that they think smoking is not so bad (even some vegans smoke or used to smoke and some of them tend to get sooo defensive, even to the point of saying it is not at all linked to breast cancer), they cannot dispute how it has been for me and the fact is I failed to reach my full potential because of feeling so ill from second hand tobacco smoke poisoning in my early years. If you smoke, it's not only your funeral, it may well be your loved ones' funeral as well! This message has not very well got through to AR people, I see so many of them still smoking on demos and protests in the UK, it looks just so stupid and pathetic and it's horrible for the rest of us, because even outdoors on a march it drifts. I was on a marcn in London a few weeks ago and it was really noticeable especially when we were sitting outside a pub afterwards and a lot of the protesters were there, obviously we stayed outide, but even then there a lot of them were smoking. Their veganism will not protect them from the harm they are doing to themselves. Lesley ibizkus [ibyza2001]19 August 2002 11:43 Subject: milk sucksssssssss Got... Breast Cancer? Prostate Cancer? Crohn's Disease? Heart Disease Sick Kids? Osteoporosis Fat? Veal? Fat? Zits? Gas? Mucus? Beer? Click here for the truth about dairy products and strong bones. MILK SUCKS...FOR THE ANIMALS:Corporate-owned factories where cows are warehoused in huge sheds and treated like milk machines have replaced most small family farms. With genetic manipulation and intensive production technologies, it is common for modern dairy cows to produce 100 pounds of milk a day— 10 times more than they would produce in nature. To keep milk production as high as possible, farmers artificially inseminate cows every year. Growth hormones and unnatural milking schedules cause dairy cows' udders to become painful and so heavy that they sometimes drag on the ground, resulting in frequent infections and overuse of antibiotics. Cows -- like all mammals -- make milk to feed their own babies -- not humans.Male calves, the "byproducts" of the dairy industry, endure 14 to17 weeks of torment in veal crates so small that they can't even turn around. Female calves often replace their old, worn-out mothers, or are slaughtered soon after birth for the rennet in their stomachs (an ingredient of most commercial cheeses). They are often kept in tiny crates or tethered in stalls for the first few months of their lives, only to grow up to become "milk machines" like their mothers.FOR THE ENVIRONMENT:Cow's milk is an inefficient food source. Cows, like humans, expend the majority of their food intake simply leading their lives. It takes a great deal of grain and other foodstuffs cycled through cows to produce a small amount of milk. And not only is milk a waste of energy and water, the production of milk is also a disastrous source of water pollution. A dairy cow produces 120 pounds of waste every day -- equal to that of two dozen people, but with no toilets, sewers, or treatment plants.In Lancaster County, Pa., manure from dairy cows is destroying the Chesapeake Bay, and in California, which produces one-fifth of the country's total supply of milk, the manure from dairy farms has poisoned vast expanses of underground water, rivers, and streams. In the Central Valley of California, the cows produce as much excrement as a city of 21 million people, and even a smallish farm of 200 cows will produce as much nitrogen as in the sewage from a community of 5,000 to 10,000 people, according to a U.S. Senate report on animal waste.FOR YOUR HEALTH:Dairy products are a health hazard. They contain no fiber or complex carbohydrates and are laden with saturated fat and cholesterol. They are contaminated with cow's blood and pus and are frequently contaminated with pesticides, hormones, and antibiotics. Dairy products are linked to allergies, constipation, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and other diseases.The late Dr. Benjamin Spock, America's leading authority on child care, spoke out against feeding cow's milk to children, saying it can cause anemia, allergies, and insulin-dependent diabetes and in the long term, will set kids up for obesity and heart disease, America's number one cause of death.And dairy products may actually cause osteoporosis, not prevent it, since their high-protein content leaches calcium from the body. Population studies, backed up by a groundbreaking Harvard study of more than 75,000 nurses, suggest that drinking milk can actually cause osteoporosis. Find out more by visiting our links page.WHAT YOU CAN DO:According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the average American consumes more than 550 pounds of dairy products annually, which is 40 percent of the bulk of the food we eat. Click here to see an illustration of the "Food Pyramid" which is representative of actual American eating habits.Give the bottle the boot! Instead, try delicious soy or rice milk, soy cheese, Tofutti ice cream, and tofu sour cream and cream cheese. All are widely available at health food stores and many supermarkets. Click here for information on adopting a dairy-free diet.In The NewsAnit-milk ad 'a cheap point at the expense of Catholics' (The Vancouver Sun)Factory Dairies Invade Wisconsin (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel)White Poison: The Horrors of Milk(Times of India)"There's no reason to drink cow's milk at any time in your life. It was designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop drinking it today." -Dr. Frank A. 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Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 BUT I will > speak out when I see the vegan movement undermining anti-tobacco campaigning > by overstating the role of dairy in cancers. That would be overstating IN YOUR OPINION, would it? I'm sure that dairy cows everywhere would like to thank you. Their veganism will not protect them > from the harm they are doing to themselves. > The only vegans I know personally aren't vegan for their health, but for the animals' (I know a lot of Americals are, and some British of course - I just haven't met any personally). I don't think that anyone would reasonably argue that smoking was not bad for them - but some people think it worth it. Veganism has little or nothing to do with it. Is this going to turn into another anti-smoking forum? Shall I leave now? Cathy ps Hallo everyone who knows me from before. Been lurking for a while to see how everyone is and what's going on here - never intended to post because I spend far too much time at the lists when I get going, but you know how it is sometimes........ > > > ibizkus [ibyza2001@h...] > 19 August 2002 11:43 > > milk sucksssssssss > > > > Got... Breast Cancer? Prostate Cancer? Crohn's Disease? Heart > Disease Sick Kids? Osteoporosis Fat? Veal? Fat? Zits? Gas? Mucus? > Beer? > > > Click here for the truth about dairy products and strong bones. > > MILK SUCKS... > FOR THE ANIMALS: > Corporate-owned factories where cows are warehoused in huge sheds and > treated like milk machines have replaced most small family farms. > With genetic manipulation and intensive production technologies, it > is common for modern dairy cows to produce 100 pounds of milk a day— > 10 times more than they would produce in nature. To keep milk > production as high as possible, farmers artificially inseminate cows > every year. Growth hormones and unnatural milking schedules cause > dairy cows' udders to become painful and so heavy that they sometimes > drag on the ground, resulting in frequent infections and overuse of > antibiotics. Cows -- like all mammals -- make milk to feed their own > babies -- not humans. > > > Male calves, the " byproducts " of the dairy industry, endure 14 to17 > weeks of torment in veal crates so small that they can't even turn > around. Female calves often replace their old, worn-out mothers, or > are slaughtered soon after birth for the rennet in their stomachs (an > ingredient of most commercial cheeses). They are often kept in tiny > crates or tethered in stalls for the first few months of their lives, > only to grow up to become " milk machines " like their mothers. > > > FOR THE ENVIRONMENT: > Cow's milk is an inefficient food source. Cows, like humans, expend > the majority of their food intake simply leading their lives. It > takes a great deal of grain and other foodstuffs cycled through cows > to produce a small amount of milk. And not only is milk a waste of > energy and water, the production of milk is also a disastrous source > of water pollution. A dairy cow produces 120 pounds of waste every > day -- equal to that of two dozen people, but with no toilets, > sewers, or treatment plants. > > In Lancaster County, Pa., manure from dairy cows is destroying the > Chesapeake Bay, and in California, which produces one-fifth of the > country's total supply of milk, the manure from dairy farms has > poisoned vast expanses of underground water, rivers, and streams. In > the Central Valley of California, the cows produce as much excrement > as a city of 21 million people, and even a smallish farm of 200 cows > will produce as much nitrogen as in the sewage from a community of > 5,000 to 10,000 people, according to a U.S. Senate report on animal > waste. > > > > FOR YOUR HEALTH: > Dairy products are a health hazard. They contain no fiber or complex > carbohydrates and are laden with saturated fat and cholesterol. They > are contaminated with cow's blood and pus and are frequently > contaminated with pesticides, hormones, and antibiotics. Dairy > products are linked to allergies, constipation, obesity, heart > disease, cancer, and other diseases. > > The late Dr. Benjamin Spock, America's leading authority on child > care, spoke out against feeding cow's milk to children, saying it can > cause anemia, allergies, and insulin-dependent diabetes and in the > long term, will set kids up for obesity and heart disease, America's > number one cause of death. > > And dairy products may actually cause osteoporosis, not prevent it, > since their high-protein content leaches calcium from the body. > Population studies, backed up by a groundbreaking Harvard study of > more than 75,000 nurses, suggest that drinking milk can actually > cause osteoporosis. Find out more by visiting our links page. > > > > WHAT YOU CAN DO: > According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the average American > consumes more than 550 pounds of dairy products annually, which is 40 > percent of the bulk of the food we eat. Click here to see an > illustration of the " Food Pyramid " which is representative of actual > American eating habits. > > Give the bottle the boot! Instead, try delicious soy or rice milk, > soy cheese, Tofutti ice cream, and tofu sour cream and cream cheese. > All are widely available at health food stores and many supermarkets. > Click here for information on adopting a dairy-free diet. > > > > In The News > > Anit-milk ad 'a cheap point at the expense of Catholics' (The > Vancouver Sun) > > Factory Dairies Invade Wisconsin (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel) > > White Poison: The Horrors of Milk(Times of India) > " There's no reason to drink cow's milk at any time in your life. It > was designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop drinking > it today. " > -Dr. Frank A. Oski > Former Director of Pediatrics, Johns Hopkins University > > > > People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals > 501 Front St., Norfolk, VA 23510; 757-622-PETA > MilkSucks.comLiving Dairy-FreeFind Out MoreFree Vegetarian Starter > PackVegNow.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 Hi Cathy > ps Hallo everyone who knows me from before. Been lurking for a > while to see how everyone is and what's going on here - never > intended to post because I spend far too much time at the lists when > I get going, but you know how it is sometimes........ Welcome back! :-) BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 Is it worth AR people smoking though if the smokers on demos and marches put people who are sensitive like me off going? It makes me so ill, that I am considering not going on a march again if I have to be surrounded by cigarette smoke, I felt very sick on the demo in London and after outside the pub, some of it might have been the car fumes in London but experience has taught me that tobacco smoke affects me worse! I'm nmo use to anyone I believe demos and protests for the animals should be strictly non-smoking affairs, it creates a very bad impression on the public to have people smoking. We have to present a nice clean living image. Dairy cows have no reason to feel let down by me, I am an ethical vegan and will always promote veganism on animal rights grounds but I will not make what I believe to be false claims about giving up dairy leading to improved health and less mucus for instance, because in my experience it made no difference to my health except mentally to my conscience and peace of mind. My mucus and chest and head problems remained until I was able to live away from second hand smoke. Lesley cathyjupp [cj]19 August 2002 13:29 Subject: Re: milk sucksssssssssBUT I will> speak out when I see the vegan movement undermining anti-tobacco campaigning> by overstating the role of dairy in cancers.That would be overstating IN YOUR OPINION, would it? I'm sure that dairy cows everywhere would like to thank you.Their veganism will not protect them> from the harm they are doing to themselves.> The only vegans I know personally aren't vegan for their health, but for the animals' (I know a lot of Americals are, and some British of course - I just haven't met any personally). I don't think that anyone would reasonably argue that smoking was not bad for them - but some people think it worth it. Veganism has little or nothing to do with it.Is this going to turn into another anti-smoking forum? Shall I leave now?Cathyps Hallo everyone who knows me from before. Been lurking for a while to see how everyone is and what's going on here - never intended to post because I spend far too much time at the lists when I get going, but you know how it is sometimes........> > > ibizkus [ibyza2001@h...]> 19 August 2002 11:43> > milk sucksssssssss> > > > Got... Breast Cancer? Prostate Cancer? Crohn's Disease? Heart> Disease Sick Kids? Osteoporosis Fat? Veal? Fat? Zits? Gas? Mucus?> Beer?> > > Click here for the truth about dairy products and strong bones.> > MILK SUCKS...> FOR THE ANIMALS:> Corporate-owned factories where cows are warehoused in huge sheds and> treated like milk machines have replaced most small family farms.> With genetic manipulation and intensive production technologies, it> is common for modern dairy cows to produce 100 pounds of milk a day—> 10 times more than they would produce in nature. To keep milk> production as high as possible, farmers artificially inseminate cows> every year. Growth hormones and unnatural milking schedules cause> dairy cows' udders to become painful and so heavy that they sometimes> drag on the ground, resulting in frequent infections and overuse of> antibiotics. Cows -- like all mammals -- make milk to feed their own> babies -- not humans.> > > Male calves, the "byproducts" of the dairy industry, endure 14 to17> weeks of torment in veal crates so small that they can't even turn> around. Female calves often replace their old, worn-out mothers, or> are slaughtered soon after birth for the rennet in their stomachs (an> ingredient of most commercial cheeses). They are often kept in tiny> crates or tethered in stalls for the first few months of their lives,> only to grow up to become "milk machines" like their mothers.> > > FOR THE ENVIRONMENT:> Cow's milk is an inefficient food source. Cows, like humans, expend> the majority of their food intake simply leading their lives. It> takes a great deal of grain and other foodstuffs cycled through cows> to produce a small amount of milk. And not only is milk a waste of> energy and water, the production of milk is also a disastrous source> of water pollution. A dairy cow produces 120 pounds of waste every> day -- equal to that of two dozen people, but with no toilets,> sewers, or treatment plants.> > In Lancaster County, Pa., manure from dairy cows is destroying the> Chesapeake Bay, and in California, which produces one-fifth of the> country's total supply of milk, the manure from dairy farms has> poisoned vast expanses of underground water, rivers, and streams. In> the Central Valley of California, the cows produce as much excrement> as a city of 21 million people, and even a smallish farm of 200 cows> will produce as much nitrogen as in the sewage from a community of> 5,000 to 10,000 people, according to a U.S. Senate report on animal> waste.> > > > FOR YOUR HEALTH:> Dairy products are a health hazard. They contain no fiber or complex> carbohydrates and are laden with saturated fat and cholesterol. They> are contaminated with cow's blood and pus and are frequently> contaminated with pesticides, hormones, and antibiotics. Dairy> products are linked to allergies, constipation, obesity, heart> disease, cancer, and other diseases.> > The late Dr. Benjamin Spock, America's leading authority on child> care, spoke out against feeding cow's milk to children, saying it can> cause anemia, allergies, and insulin-dependent diabetes and in the> long term, will set kids up for obesity and heart disease, America's> number one cause of death.> > And dairy products may actually cause osteoporosis, not prevent it,> since their high-protein content leaches calcium from the body.> Population studies, backed up by a groundbreaking Harvard study of> more than 75,000 nurses, suggest that drinking milk can actually> cause osteoporosis. Find out more by visiting our links page.> > > > WHAT YOU CAN DO:> According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the average American> consumes more than 550 pounds of dairy products annually, which is 40> percent of the bulk of the food we eat. Click here to see an> illustration of the "Food Pyramid" which is representative of actual> American eating habits.> > Give the bottle the boot! Instead, try delicious soy or rice milk,> soy cheese, Tofutti ice cream, and tofu sour cream and cream cheese.> All are widely available at health food stores and many supermarkets.> Click here for information on adopting a dairy-free diet.> > > > In The News> > Anit-milk ad 'a cheap point at the expense of Catholics' (The> Vancouver Sun)> > Factory Dairies Invade Wisconsin (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel)> > White Poison: The Horrors of Milk(Times of India)> > > > > > > > "There's no reason to drink cow's milk at any time in your life. It> was designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop drinking> it today."> -Dr. Frank A. Oski> Former Director of Pediatrics, Johns Hopkins University> > > > People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals> 501 Front St., Norfolk, VA 23510; 757-622-PETA> MilkSucks.comLiving Dairy-FreeFind Out MoreFree Vegetarian Starter> PackVegNow.com> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 Oops typo! Meant to say I'm no use to anyone if I am feeling ill for days after a exposure to cigarette smoke on a demo, much as I want to be there to add my voice to those against cruelty. When there is a crowd of people walking along close together the smoke easily drifts over into the airspace of the non-smokers. When I was on a protest outside a lab in Harrow a few months ago there were people on the protest smoking, so I diplomatically did a bit of door to door leafletting and kept away from the smokers, but I was not happy the impression it makes on the public that AR people do not care about their own health or other people's right to clean air. Smoking is just plain rude and disrespectful behaviour unless the smoker is in the middle of an empty field (or preferably in a desert) a good way away from other people AND put their fag ends in a bin and not drop them as litter! Only then would I say a smoker is respectful. Lesley Lesley Dove [Lesley]19 August 2002 18:26 Subject: RE: Re: milk sucksssssssss Is it worth AR people smoking though if the smokers on demos and marches put people who are sensitive like me off going? It makes me so ill, that I am considering not going on a march again if I have to be surrounded by cigarette smoke, I felt very sick on the demo in London and after outside the pub, some of it might have been the car fumes in London but experience has taught me that tobacco smoke affects me worse! I'm nmo use to anyone I believe demos and protests for the animals should be strictly non-smoking affairs, it creates a very bad impression on the public to have people smoking. We have to present a nice clean living image. Dairy cows have no reason to feel let down by me, I am an ethical vegan and will always promote veganism on animal rights grounds but I will not make what I believe to be false claims about giving up dairy leading to improved health and less mucus for instance, because in my experience it made no difference to my health except mentally to my conscience and peace of mind. My mucus and chest and head problems remained until I was able to live away from second hand smoke. Lesley cathyjupp [cj]19 August 2002 13:29 Subject: Re: milk sucksssssssssBUT I will> speak out when I see the vegan movement undermining anti-tobacco campaigning> by overstating the role of dairy in cancers.That would be overstating IN YOUR OPINION, would it? I'm sure that dairy cows everywhere would like to thank you.Their veganism will not protect them> from the harm they are doing to themselves.> The only vegans I know personally aren't vegan for their health, but for the animals' (I know a lot of Americals are, and some British of course - I just haven't met any personally). I don't think that anyone would reasonably argue that smoking was not bad for them - but some people think it worth it. Veganism has little or nothing to do with it.Is this going to turn into another anti-smoking forum? Shall I leave now?Cathyps Hallo everyone who knows me from before. Been lurking for a while to see how everyone is and what's going on here - never intended to post because I spend far too much time at the lists when I get going, but you know how it is sometimes........> > > ibizkus [ibyza2001@h...]> 19 August 2002 11:43> > milk sucksssssssss> > > > Got... Breast Cancer? Prostate Cancer? Crohn's Disease? Heart> Disease Sick Kids? Osteoporosis Fat? Veal? Fat? Zits? Gas? Mucus?> Beer?> > > Click here for the truth about dairy products and strong bones.> > MILK SUCKS...> FOR THE ANIMALS:> Corporate-owned factories where cows are warehoused in huge sheds and> treated like milk machines have replaced most small family farms.> With genetic manipulation and intensive production technologies, it> is common for modern dairy cows to produce 100 pounds of milk a day—> 10 times more than they would produce in nature. To keep milk> production as high as possible, farmers artificially inseminate cows> every year. Growth hormones and unnatural milking schedules cause> dairy cows' udders to become painful and so heavy that they sometimes> drag on the ground, resulting in frequent infections and overuse of> antibiotics. Cows -- like all mammals -- make milk to feed their own> babies -- not humans.> > > Male calves, the "byproducts" of the dairy industry, endure 14 to17> weeks of torment in veal crates so small that they can't even turn> around. Female calves often replace their old, worn-out mothers, or> are slaughtered soon after birth for the rennet in their stomachs (an> ingredient of most commercial cheeses). They are often kept in tiny> crates or tethered in stalls for the first few months of their lives,> only to grow up to become "milk machines" like their mothers.> > > FOR THE ENVIRONMENT:> Cow's milk is an inefficient food source. Cows, like humans, expend> the majority of their food intake simply leading their lives. It> takes a great deal of grain and other foodstuffs cycled through cows> to produce a small amount of milk. And not only is milk a waste of> energy and water, the production of milk is also a disastrous source> of water pollution. A dairy cow produces 120 pounds of waste every> day -- equal to that of two dozen people, but with no toilets,> sewers, or treatment plants.> > In Lancaster County, Pa., manure from dairy cows is destroying the> Chesapeake Bay, and in California, which produces one-fifth of the> country's total supply of milk, the manure from dairy farms has> poisoned vast expanses of underground water, rivers, and streams. In> the Central Valley of California, the cows produce as much excrement> as a city of 21 million people, and even a smallish farm of 200 cows> will produce as much nitrogen as in the sewage from a community of> 5,000 to 10,000 people, according to a U.S. Senate report on animal> waste.> > > > FOR YOUR HEALTH:> Dairy products are a health hazard. They contain no fiber or complex> carbohydrates and are laden with saturated fat and cholesterol. They> are contaminated with cow's blood and pus and are frequently> contaminated with pesticides, hormones, and antibiotics. Dairy> products are linked to allergies, constipation, obesity, heart> disease, cancer, and other diseases.> > The late Dr. Benjamin Spock, America's leading authority on child> care, spoke out against feeding cow's milk to children, saying it can> cause anemia, allergies, and insulin-dependent diabetes and in the> long term, will set kids up for obesity and heart disease, America's> number one cause of death.> > And dairy products may actually cause osteoporosis, not prevent it,> since their high-protein content leaches calcium from the body.> Population studies, backed up by a groundbreaking Harvard study of> more than 75,000 nurses, suggest that drinking milk can actually> cause osteoporosis. Find out more by visiting our links page.> > > > WHAT YOU CAN DO:> According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the average American> consumes more than 550 pounds of dairy products annually, which is 40> percent of the bulk of the food we eat. Click here to see an> illustration of the "Food Pyramid" which is representative of actual> American eating habits.> > Give the bottle the boot! Instead, try delicious soy or rice milk,> soy cheese, Tofutti ice cream, and tofu sour cream and cream cheese.> All are widely available at health food stores and many supermarkets.> Click here for information on adopting a dairy-free diet.> > > > In The News> > Anit-milk ad 'a cheap point at the expense of Catholics' (The> Vancouver Sun)> > Factory Dairies Invade Wisconsin (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel)> > White Poison: The Horrors of Milk(Times of India)> > > > > > > > "There's no reason to drink cow's milk at any time in your life. It> was designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop drinking> it today."> -Dr. Frank A. Oski> Former Director of Pediatrics, Johns Hopkins University> > > > People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals> 501 Front St., Norfolk, VA 23510; 757-622-PETA> MilkSucks.comLiving Dairy-FreeFind Out MoreFree Vegetarian Starter> PackVegNow.com> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 Right Leslie, or a club for smokers, a tent in the middle of nowhere,an indian tipi (north american) many cultures smoked dopes but that is no justification that we keep on that things, instead they should be helped and taught because they (the smokers) harm and kill themselfs if they are among themself and kill other if they are around non-smokers ? right? >"Lesley Dove" > > >RE: Re: milk sucksssssssss >Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:38:22 +0100 > > >Oops typo! >Meant to say I'm no use to anyone if I am feeling ill for days after a >exposure to cigarette smoke on a demo, much as I want to be there to add my >voice to those against cruelty. >When there is a crowd of people walking along close together the smoke >easily drifts over into the airspace of the non-smokers. >When I was on a protest outside a lab in Harrow a few months ago there were >people on the protest smoking, so I diplomatically did a bit of door to door >leafletting and kept away from the smokers, but I was not happy the >impression it makes on the public that AR people do not care about their own >health or other people's right to clean air. Smoking is just plain rude and >disrespectful behaviour unless the smoker is in the middle of an empty field >(or preferably in a desert) a good way away from other people AND put their >fag ends in a bin and not drop them as litter! Only then would I say a >smoker is respectful. > >Lesley > > > Lesley Dove [Lesley] > 19 August 2002 18:26 > > RE: Re: milk sucksssssssss > > > > Is it worth AR people smoking though if the smokers on demos and marches >put people who are sensitive like me off going? It makes me so ill, that I >am considering not going on a march again if I have to be surrounded by >cigarette smoke, I felt very sick on the demo in London and after outside >the pub, some of it might have been the car fumes in London but experience >has taught me that tobacco smoke affects me worse! I'm nmo use to anyone > I believe demos and protests for the animals should be strictly >non-smoking affairs, it creates a very bad impression on the public to have >people smoking. We have to present a nice clean living image. > > Dairy cows have no reason to feel let down by me, I am an ethical vegan >and will always promote veganism on animal rights grounds but I will not >make what I believe to be false claims about giving up dairy leading to >improved health and less mucus for instance, because in my experience it >made no difference to my health except mentally to my conscience and peace >of mind. > My mucus and chest and head problems remained until I was able to live >away from second hand smoke. > > Lesley > > > cathyjupp [cj] > 19 August 2002 13:29 > > Re: milk sucksssssssss > > > > > BUT I will > > speak out when I see the vegan movement undermining anti-tobacco > campaigning > > by overstating the role of dairy in cancers. > > That would be overstating IN YOUR OPINION, would it? I'm sure that > dairy cows everywhere would like to thank you. > > Their veganism will not protect them > > from the harm they are doing to themselves. > > > > The only vegans I know personally aren't vegan for their health, but > for the animals' (I know a lot of Americals are, and some British of > course - I just haven't met any personally). I don't think that > anyone would reasonably argue that smoking was not bad for them - but > some people think it worth it. Veganism has little or nothing to do > with it. > > Is this going to turn into another anti-smoking forum? Shall I leave > now? > > Cathy > > ps Hallo everyone who knows me from before. Been lurking for a > while to see how everyone is and what's going on here - never > intended to post because I spend far too much time at the lists when > I get going, but you know how it is sometimes........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ibizkus [ibyza2001@h...] > > 19 August 2002 11:43 > > > > milk sucksssssssss > > > > > > > > Got... Breast Cancer? Prostate Cancer? Crohn's Disease? Heart > > Disease Sick Kids? Osteoporosis Fat? Veal? Fat? Zits? Gas? Mucus? > > Beer? > > > > > > Click here for the truth about dairy products and strong bones. > > > > MILK SUCKS... > > FOR THE ANIMALS: > > Corporate-owned factories where cows are warehoused in huge sheds > and > > treated like milk machines have replaced most small family farms. > > With genetic manipulation and intensive production technologies, > it > > is common for modern dairy cows to produce 100 pounds of milk a > day— > > 10 times more than they would produce in nature. To keep milk > > production as high as possible, farmers artificially inseminate > cows > > every year. Growth hormones and unnatural milking schedules cause > > dairy cows' udders to become painful and so heavy that they > sometimes > > drag on the ground, resulting in frequent infections and overuse > of > > antibiotics. Cows -- like all mammals -- make milk to feed their > own > > babies -- not humans. > > > > > > Male calves, the "byproducts" of the dairy industry, endure 14 > to17 > > weeks of torment in veal crates so small that they can't even turn > > around. Female calves often replace their old, worn-out mothers, > or > > are slaughtered soon after birth for the rennet in their stomachs > (an > > ingredient of most commercial cheeses). They are often kept in > tiny > > crates or tethered in stalls for the first few months of their > lives, > > only to grow up to become "milk machines" like their mothers. > > > > > > FOR THE ENVIRONMENT: > > Cow's milk is an inefficient food source. Cows, like humans, > expend > > the majority of their food intake simply leading their lives. It > > takes a great deal of grain and other foodstuffs cycled through > cows > > to produce a small amount of milk. And not only is milk a waste of > > energy and water, the production of milk is also a disastrous > source > > of water pollution. A dairy cow produces 120 pounds of waste every > > day -- equal to that of two dozen people, but with no toilets, > > sewers, or treatment plants. > > > > In Lancaster County, Pa., manure from dairy cows is destroying the > > Chesapeake Bay, and in California, which produces one-fifth of the > > country's total supply of milk, the manure from dairy farms has > > poisoned vast expanses of underground water, rivers, and streams. > In > > the Central Valley of California, the cows produce as much > excrement > > as a city of 21 million people, and even a smallish farm of 200 > cows > > will produce as much nitrogen as in the sewage from a community of > > 5,000 to 10,000 people, according to a U.S. Senate report on > animal > > waste. > > > > > > > > FOR YOUR HEALTH: > > Dairy products are a health hazard. They contain no fiber or > complex > > carbohydrates and are laden with saturated fat and cholesterol. > They > > are contaminated with cow's blood and pus and are frequently > > contaminated with pesticides, hormones, and antibiotics. Dairy > > products are linked to allergies, constipation, obesity, heart > > disease, cancer, and other diseases. > > > > The late Dr. Benjamin Spock, America's leading authority on child > > care, spoke out against feeding cow's milk to children, saying it > can > > cause anemia, allergies, and insulin-dependent diabetes and in the > > long term, will set kids up for obesity and heart disease, > America's > > number one cause of death. > > > > And dairy products may actually cause osteoporosis, not prevent > it, > > since their high-protein content leaches calcium from the body. > > Population studies, backed up by a groundbreaking Harvard study of > > more than 75,000 nurses, suggest that drinking milk can actually > > cause osteoporosis. Find out more by visiting our links page. > > > > > > > > WHAT YOU CAN DO: > > According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the average > American > > consumes more than 550 pounds of dairy products annually, which > is 40 > > percent of the bulk of the food we eat. Click here to see an > > illustration of the "Food Pyramid" which is representative of > actual > > American eating habits. > > > > Give the bottle the boot! Instead, try delicious soy or rice milk, > > soy cheese, Tofutti ice cream, and tofu sour cream and cream > cheese. > > All are widely available at health food stores and many > supermarkets. > > Click here for information on adopting a dairy-free diet. > > > > > > > > In The News > > > > Anit-milk ad 'a cheap point at the expense of Catholics' (The > > Vancouver Sun) > > > > Factory Dairies Invade Wisconsin (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel) > > > > White Poison: The Horrors of Milk(Times of India) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There's no reason to drink cow's milk at any time in your life. > It > > was designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop > drinking > > it today." > > -Dr. Frank A. Oski > > Former Director of Pediatrics, Johns Hopkins University > > > > > > > > People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals > > 501 Front St., Norfolk, VA 23510; 757-622-PETA > > MilkSucks.comLiving Dairy-FreeFind Out MoreFree Vegetarian > Starter > > PackVegNow.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 thenax fer de-lurking cathy!! and don't leave we can all discuss things here, right folks...i mean discuss, not harrass or harrangue..... right??? don't make me beat people with the overgrown zuichinni in my backyard fraggle " cathyjupp " <cj wrote: > > >BUT I will >> speak out when I see the vegan movement undermining anti-tobacco >campaigning >> by overstating the role of dairy in cancers. > >That would be overstating IN YOUR OPINION, would it? I'm sure that >dairy cows everywhere would like to thank you. > > Their veganism will not protect them >> from the harm they are doing to themselves. >> > >The only vegans I know personally aren't vegan for their health, but >for the animals' (I know a lot of Americals are, and some British of >course - I just haven't met any personally). I don't think that >anyone would reasonably argue that smoking was not bad for them - but >some people think it worth it. Veganism has little or nothing to do >with it. > >Is this going to turn into another anti-smoking forum? Shall I leave >now? > >Cathy > >ps Hallo everyone who knows me from before. Been lurking for a >while to see how everyone is and what's going on here - never >intended to post because I spend far too much time at the lists when >I get going, but you know how it is sometimes........ > > > > > > > >> >> >> ibizkus [ibyza2001@h...] >> 19 August 2002 11:43 >> >> milk sucksssssssss >> >> >> >> Got... Breast Cancer? Prostate Cancer? Crohn's Disease? Heart >> Disease Sick Kids? Osteoporosis Fat? Veal? Fat? Zits? Gas? Mucus? >> Beer? >> >> >> Click here for the truth about dairy products and strong bones. >> >> MILK SUCKS... >> FOR THE ANIMALS: >> Corporate-owned factories where cows are warehoused in huge sheds >and >> treated like milk machines have replaced most small family farms. >> With genetic manipulation and intensive production technologies, >it >> is common for modern dairy cows to produce 100 pounds of milk a >day— >> 10 times more than they would produce in nature. To keep milk >> production as high as possible, farmers artificially inseminate >cows >> every year. Growth hormones and unnatural milking schedules cause >> dairy cows' udders to become painful and so heavy that they >sometimes >> drag on the ground, resulting in frequent infections and overuse >of >> antibiotics. Cows -- like all mammals -- make milk to feed their >own >> babies -- not humans. >> >> >> Male calves, the " byproducts " of the dairy industry, endure 14 >to17 >> weeks of torment in veal crates so small that they can't even turn >> around. Female calves often replace their old, worn-out mothers, >or >> are slaughtered soon after birth for the rennet in their stomachs >(an >> ingredient of most commercial cheeses). They are often kept in >tiny >> crates or tethered in stalls for the first few months of their >lives, >> only to grow up to become " milk machines " like their mothers. >> >> >> FOR THE ENVIRONMENT: >> Cow's milk is an inefficient food source. Cows, like humans, >expend >> the majority of their food intake simply leading their lives. It >> takes a great deal of grain and other foodstuffs cycled through >cows >> to produce a small amount of milk. And not only is milk a waste of >> energy and water, the production of milk is also a disastrous >source >> of water pollution. A dairy cow produces 120 pounds of waste every >> day -- equal to that of two dozen people, but with no toilets, >> sewers, or treatment plants. >> >> In Lancaster County, Pa., manure from dairy cows is destroying the >> Chesapeake Bay, and in California, which produces one-fifth of the >> country's total supply of milk, the manure from dairy farms has >> poisoned vast expanses of underground water, rivers, and streams. >In >> the Central Valley of California, the cows produce as much >excrement >> as a city of 21 million people, and even a smallish farm of 200 >cows >> will produce as much nitrogen as in the sewage from a community of >> 5,000 to 10,000 people, according to a U.S. Senate report on >animal >> waste. >> >> >> >> FOR YOUR HEALTH: >> Dairy products are a health hazard. They contain no fiber or >complex >> carbohydrates and are laden with saturated fat and cholesterol. >They >> are contaminated with cow's blood and pus and are frequently >> contaminated with pesticides, hormones, and antibiotics. Dairy >> products are linked to allergies, constipation, obesity, heart >> disease, cancer, and other diseases. >> >> The late Dr. Benjamin Spock, America's leading authority on child >> care, spoke out against feeding cow's milk to children, saying it >can >> cause anemia, allergies, and insulin-dependent diabetes and in the >> long term, will set kids up for obesity and heart disease, >America's >> number one cause of death. >> >> And dairy products may actually cause osteoporosis, not prevent >it, >> since their high-protein content leaches calcium from the body. >> Population studies, backed up by a groundbreaking Harvard study of >> more than 75,000 nurses, suggest that drinking milk can actually >> cause osteoporosis. Find out more by visiting our links page. >> >> >> >> WHAT YOU CAN DO: >> According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the average >American >> consumes more than 550 pounds of dairy products annually, which >is 40 >> percent of the bulk of the food we eat. Click here to see an >> illustration of the " Food Pyramid " which is representative of >actual >> American eating habits. >> >> Give the bottle the boot! Instead, try delicious soy or rice milk, >> soy cheese, Tofutti ice cream, and tofu sour cream and cream >cheese. >> All are widely available at health food stores and many >supermarkets. >> Click here for information on adopting a dairy-free diet. >> >> >> >> In The News >> >> Anit-milk ad 'a cheap point at the expense of Catholics' (The >> Vancouver Sun) >> >> Factory Dairies Invade Wisconsin (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel) >> >> White Poison: The Horrors of Milk(Times of India) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> " There's no reason to drink cow's milk at any time in your life. >It >> was designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop >drinking >> it today. " >> -Dr. Frank A. Oski >> Former Director of Pediatrics, Johns Hopkins University >> >> >> >> People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals >> 501 Front St., Norfolk, VA 23510; 757-622-PETA >> MilkSucks.comLiving Dairy-FreeFind Out MoreFree Vegetarian >Starter >> PackVegNow.com >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 We have to present a nice clean living image. ummmmmmm why??? i'm vegan, so now i have to dress, look, act a certain way?? seems silly to me > >Dairy cows have no reason to feel let down by me, I am an ethical vegan and >will always promote veganism on animal rights grounds but I will not make >what I believe to be false claims about giving up dairy leading to improved >health and less mucus for instance, because in my experience it made no >difference to my health except mentally to my conscience and peace of mind. >My mucus and chest and head problems remained until I was able to live away >from second hand smoke. > that is you, and congrats fer clearing up but, there is a huge corrolation between downing pus, i mean dairy, and heart disease, intestinal distress, cancer , and a host of other ills you want to focus on smoking, ok, thats you, but don't hurt the rest of us by implying we are wrong to focus on wot we want to, ok?? you can do as you please, you can have yer own opnions, and state them, but remember, they are yer opinions, and not everyone agrees with you...just keep that in mind i am sorry smoking has affected yer life so negatively, i myself was born partially deaf and serverly underweight because my mother smoked while she was carrying the lil parasite that was me around, but..as long as no one smokes in my haus, i can always walk away..i have legs....these boots(vegan docs) were made fer walking cheers fraggle >Lesley > > > cathyjupp [cj] > 19 August 2002 13:29 > > Re: milk sucksssssssss > > > > > BUT I will > > speak out when I see the vegan movement undermining anti-tobacco > campaigning > > by overstating the role of dairy in cancers. > > That would be overstating IN YOUR OPINION, would it? I'm sure that > dairy cows everywhere would like to thank you. > > Their veganism will not protect them > > from the harm they are doing to themselves. > > > > The only vegans I know personally aren't vegan for their health, but > for the animals' (I know a lot of Americals are, and some British of > course - I just haven't met any personally). I don't think that > anyone would reasonably argue that smoking was not bad for them - but > some people think it worth it. Veganism has little or nothing to do > with it. > > Is this going to turn into another anti-smoking forum? Shall I leave > now? > > Cathy > > ps Hallo everyone who knows me from before. Been lurking for a > while to see how everyone is and what's going on here - never > intended to post because I spend far too much time at the lists when > I get going, but you know how it is sometimes........ > > > > > > ibizkus [ibyza2001@h...] > > 19 August 2002 11:43 > > > > milk sucksssssssss > > > > > > > > Got... Breast Cancer? Prostate Cancer? Crohn's Disease? Heart > > Disease Sick Kids? Osteoporosis Fat? Veal? Fat? Zits? Gas? Mucus? > > Beer? > > > > > > Click here for the truth about dairy products and strong bones. > > > > MILK SUCKS... > > FOR THE ANIMALS: > > Corporate-owned factories where cows are warehoused in huge sheds > and > > treated like milk machines have replaced most small family farms. > > With genetic manipulation and intensive production technologies, > it > > is common for modern dairy cows to produce 100 pounds of milk a > day— > > 10 times more than they would produce in nature. To keep milk > > production as high as possible, farmers artificially inseminate > cows > > every year. Growth hormones and unnatural milking schedules cause > > dairy cows' udders to become painful and so heavy that they > sometimes > > drag on the ground, resulting in frequent infections and overuse > of > > antibiotics. Cows -- like all mammals -- make milk to feed their > own > > babies -- not humans. > > > > > > Male calves, the " byproducts " of the dairy industry, endure 14 > to17 > > weeks of torment in veal crates so small that they can't even turn > > around. Female calves often replace their old, worn-out mothers, > or > > are slaughtered soon after birth for the rennet in their stomachs > (an > > ingredient of most commercial cheeses). They are often kept in > tiny > > crates or tethered in stalls for the first few months of their > lives, > > only to grow up to become " milk machines " like their mothers. > > > > > > FOR THE ENVIRONMENT: > > Cow's milk is an inefficient food source. Cows, like humans, > expend > > the majority of their food intake simply leading their lives. It > > takes a great deal of grain and other foodstuffs cycled through > cows > > to produce a small amount of milk. And not only is milk a waste of > > energy and water, the production of milk is also a disastrous > source > > of water pollution. A dairy cow produces 120 pounds of waste every > > day -- equal to that of two dozen people, but with no toilets, > > sewers, or treatment plants. > > > > In Lancaster County, Pa., manure from dairy cows is destroying the > > Chesapeake Bay, and in California, which produces one-fifth of the > > country's total supply of milk, the manure from dairy farms has > > poisoned vast expanses of underground water, rivers, and streams. > In > > the Central Valley of California, the cows produce as much > excrement > > as a city of 21 million people, and even a smallish farm of 200 > cows > > will produce as much nitrogen as in the sewage from a community of > > 5,000 to 10,000 people, according to a U.S. Senate report on > animal > > waste. > > > > > > > > FOR YOUR HEALTH: > > Dairy products are a health hazard. They contain no fiber or > complex > > carbohydrates and are laden with saturated fat and cholesterol. > They > > are contaminated with cow's blood and pus and are frequently > > contaminated with pesticides, hormones, and antibiotics. Dairy > > products are linked to allergies, constipation, obesity, heart > > disease, cancer, and other diseases. > > > > The late Dr. Benjamin Spock, America's leading authority on child > > care, spoke out against feeding cow's milk to children, saying it > can > > cause anemia, allergies, and insulin-dependent diabetes and in the > > long term, will set kids up for obesity and heart disease, > America's > > number one cause of death. > > > > And dairy products may actually cause osteoporosis, not prevent > it, > > since their high-protein content leaches calcium from the body. > > Population studies, backed up by a groundbreaking Harvard study of > > more than 75,000 nurses, suggest that drinking milk can actually > > cause osteoporosis. Find out more by visiting our links page. > > > > > > > > WHAT YOU CAN DO: > > According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the average > American > > consumes more than 550 pounds of dairy products annually, which > is 40 > > percent of the bulk of the food we eat. Click here to see an > > illustration of the " Food Pyramid " which is representative of > actual > > American eating habits. > > > > Give the bottle the boot! Instead, try delicious soy or rice milk, > > soy cheese, Tofutti ice cream, and tofu sour cream and cream > cheese. > > All are widely available at health food stores and many > supermarkets. > > Click here for information on adopting a dairy-free diet. > > > > > > > > In The News > > > > Anit-milk ad 'a cheap point at the expense of Catholics' (The > > Vancouver Sun) > > > > Factory Dairies Invade Wisconsin (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel) > > > > White Poison: The Horrors of Milk(Times of India) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " There's no reason to drink cow's milk at any time in your life. > It > > was designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop > drinking > > it today. " > > -Dr. Frank A. Oski > > Former Director of Pediatrics, Johns Hopkins University > > > > > > > > People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals > > 501 Front St., Norfolk, VA 23510; 757-622-PETA > > MilkSucks.comLiving Dairy-FreeFind Out MoreFree Vegetarian > Starter > > PackVegNow.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 Sigh, I didn't think I would have to explain this, if we want converts to AR/veganism we do better if we come across in such a way that the public will be likely listen to us when we do protests, we have their hearts and minds to win over, image helps, so we have to play the game a little if we want to get most people to listen to us seriously in the first place. I'm a fully fledged vegan and AR person and even I tend to shy away from protests where people are smoking, it makes a person look really stupid and irresponsible, so how do you think it looks to the average animal eater? They are more likely to listen to the arguments if they are coming from someone who is not blowing smoke around and who looks reasonably normal in their dress. Lesley EBbrewpunx [EBbrewpunx]20 August 2002 03:27 Subject: RE: Re: milk sucksssssssssWe have to present a nice clean living image.ummmmmmmwhy???i'm vegan, so now i have to dress, look, act a certain way??seems silly to me>>Dairy cows have no reason to feel let down by me, I am an ethical vegan and>will always promote veganism on animal rights grounds but I will not make>what I believe to be false claims about giving up dairy leading to improved>health and less mucus for instance, because in my experience it made no>difference to my health except mentally to my conscience and peace of mind.>My mucus and chest and head problems remained until I was able to live away>from second hand smoke.>that is you, and congrats fer clearing upbut, there is a huge corrolation between downing pus, i mean dairy, and heart disease, intestinal distress, cancer , and a host of other illsyou want to focus on smoking, ok, thats you, but don't hurt the rest of us by implying we are wrong to focus on wot we want to, ok?? you can do as you please, you can have yer own opnions, and state them, but remember, they are yer opinions, and not everyone agrees with you...just keep that in mindi am sorry smoking has affected yer life so negatively, i myself was born partially deaf and serverly underweight because my mother smoked while she was carrying the lil parasite that was me around, but..as long as no one smokes in my haus, i can always walk away..i have legs....these boots(vegan docs) were made fer walkingcheersfraggle>Lesley>> > cathyjupp [cj]> 19 August 2002 13:29> > Re: milk sucksssssssss>>>>> BUT I will> > speak out when I see the vegan movement undermining anti-tobacco> campaigning> > by overstating the role of dairy in cancers.>> That would be overstating IN YOUR OPINION, would it? I'm sure that> dairy cows everywhere would like to thank you.>> Their veganism will not protect them> > from the harm they are doing to themselves.> >>> The only vegans I know personally aren't vegan for their health, but> for the animals' (I know a lot of Americals are, and some British of> course - I just haven't met any personally). I don't think that> anyone would reasonably argue that smoking was not bad for them - but> some people think it worth it. Veganism has little or nothing to do> with it.>> Is this going to turn into another anti-smoking forum? Shall I leave> now?>> Cathy>> ps Hallo everyone who knows me from before. Been lurking for a> while to see how everyone is and what's going on here - never> intended to post because I spend far too much time at the lists when> I get going, but you know how it is sometimes........>>>>>>>> >> > > > ibizkus [ibyza2001@h...]> > 19 August 2002 11:43> > > > milk sucksssssssss> >> >> >> > Got... Breast Cancer? Prostate Cancer? Crohn's Disease? Heart> > Disease Sick Kids? Osteoporosis Fat? Veal? Fat? Zits? Gas? Mucus?> > Beer?> >> >> > Click here for the truth about dairy products and strong bones.> >> > MILK SUCKS...> > FOR THE ANIMALS:> > Corporate-owned factories where cows are warehoused in huge sheds> and> > treated like milk machines have replaced most small family farms.> > With genetic manipulation and intensive production technologies,> it> > is common for modern dairy cows to produce 100 pounds of milk a> day—> > 10 times more than they would produce in nature. To keep milk> > production as high as possible, farmers artificially inseminate> cows> > every year. Growth hormones and unnatural milking schedules cause> > dairy cows' udders to become painful and so heavy that they> sometimes> > drag on the ground, resulting in frequent infections and overuse> of> > antibiotics. Cows -- like all mammals -- make milk to feed their> own> > babies -- not humans.> >> >> > Male calves, the "byproducts" of the dairy industry, endure 14> to17> > weeks of torment in veal crates so small that they can't even turn> > around. Female calves often replace their old, worn-out mothers,> or> > are slaughtered soon after birth for the rennet in their stomachs> (an> > ingredient of most commercial cheeses). They are often kept in> tiny> > crates or tethered in stalls for the first few months of their> lives,> > only to grow up to become "milk machines" like their mothers.> >> >> > FOR THE ENVIRONMENT:> > Cow's milk is an inefficient food source. Cows, like humans,> expend> > the majority of their food intake simply leading their lives. It> > takes a great deal of grain and other foodstuffs cycled through> cows> > to produce a small amount of milk. And not only is milk a waste of> > energy and water, the production of milk is also a disastrous> source> > of water pollution. A dairy cow produces 120 pounds of waste every> > day -- equal to that of two dozen people, but with no toilets,> > sewers, or treatment plants.> >> > In Lancaster County, Pa., manure from dairy cows is destroying the> > Chesapeake Bay, and in California, which produces one-fifth of the> > country's total supply of milk, the manure from dairy farms has> > poisoned vast expanses of underground water, rivers, and streams.> In> > the Central Valley of California, the cows produce as much> excrement> > as a city of 21 million people, and even a smallish farm of 200> cows> > will produce as much nitrogen as in the sewage from a community of> > 5,000 to 10,000 people, according to a U.S. Senate report on> animal> > waste.> >> >> >> > FOR YOUR HEALTH:> > Dairy products are a health hazard. They contain no fiber or> complex> > carbohydrates and are laden with saturated fat and cholesterol.> They> > are contaminated with cow's blood and pus and are frequently> > contaminated with pesticides, hormones, and antibiotics. Dairy> > products are linked to allergies, constipation, obesity, heart> > disease, cancer, and other diseases.> >> > The late Dr. Benjamin Spock, America's leading authority on child> > care, spoke out against feeding cow's milk to children, saying it> can> > cause anemia, allergies, and insulin-dependent diabetes and in the> > long term, will set kids up for obesity and heart disease,> America's> > number one cause of death.> >> > And dairy products may actually cause osteoporosis, not prevent> it,> > since their high-protein content leaches calcium from the body.> > Population studies, backed up by a groundbreaking Harvard study of> > more than 75,000 nurses, suggest that drinking milk can actually> > cause osteoporosis. Find out more by visiting our links page.> >> >> >> > WHAT YOU CAN DO:> > According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the average> American> > consumes more than 550 pounds of dairy products annually, which> is 40> > percent of the bulk of the food we eat. Click here to see an> > illustration of the "Food Pyramid" which is representative of> actual> > American eating habits.> >> > Give the bottle the boot! Instead, try delicious soy or rice milk,> > soy cheese, Tofutti ice cream, and tofu sour cream and cream> cheese.> > All are widely available at health food stores and many> supermarkets.> > Click here for information on adopting a dairy-free diet.> >> >> >> > In The News> >> > Anit-milk ad 'a cheap point at the expense of Catholics' (The> > Vancouver Sun)> >> > Factory Dairies Invade Wisconsin (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel)> >> > White Poison: The Horrors of Milk(Times of India)> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "There's no reason to drink cow's milk at any time in your life.> It> > was designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop> drinking> > it today."> > -Dr. Frank A. Oski> > Former Director of Pediatrics, Johns Hopkins University> >> >> >> > People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals> > 501 Front St., Norfolk, VA 23510; 757-622-PETA> > MilkSucks.comLiving Dairy-FreeFind Out MoreFree Vegetarian> Starter> > PackVegNow.com> >> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 , EBbrewpunx@c... wrote: > thenax fer de-lurking cathy!! > and don't leave Hi Fraggle. I always feel a bit awkward about lurking - it seems a bit like spying although I know it's not and it's an accepted part of these lists. Happier out in the open though! > > we can all discuss things here, right folks...i mean discuss, not harrass or harrangue..... > right??? Ummmm - mostly? > don't make me beat people with the overgrown zuichinni in my backyard Don't waste it! Peel, seed then chop the flesh into inch cubes (not too small). Chop as many onions as you like, peel a chunk of fresh ginger and grate it (and peel and crush a garlic clove or two if you like it). Sweat the onion and ginger (and garlic) in a little oil until aromatic (just a couple of minutes and do stir to stop the ginger and garlic burning). In the meantime, scald and peel some fresh garden-grown tomatoes. De-seed if you're fussy, then chop into large chunks. Add the marrow (overgrown zucchini to you, Frags) to the pan, cover and cook over a low flame for a few minutes until the marrow is starting to soften. Add the tomatoes, a little salt, a grinding or several of black pepper and a tiny pinch of sugar or drop of syrup if your tomatoes are tart. Cook, covered, until the marrow is tender but not too soft - the veggies should all be recognisable and hold their shape and the onions should still have an al dente texture (won't be long) and the tomatoes have broken down just a little, but not into a mush. Pour over freshly-cooked brown rice or yummy bulgur, then eat all yourself. I made this up one year when we had tomatoes and marrow coming out of our ears. On the basis that marrow and ginger jam is yummy, I thought they might tase good stewed together. They do! And the real beauty of this recipe is that it actually freezes very well, so you can enjoy stewed garden veg in the middle of winter if you want. Also goes well cold as part of a salad with a big chunk of fresh wholemeal bread. Dammit, I'm hungry now. > > fraggle > Cathy glad to be back, but must be more disciplined! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 , EBbrewpunx@c... wrote: > We have to present a nice clean living image. Then I resign! I personally think that it's more important to project a happy image - that veganism is about positive enjoyment of one's life rather than grey-faced deprivation. You might not feel deprived to abstain from alcohol, say, but many people would see it that way. I would too. Cathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 But you would not like to see a demo full of drunks staggering around, that would be absurd surely? Lesley cathyjupp [cj]20 August 2002 11:04 Subject: Re: milk sucksssssssss, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:> We have to present a nice clean living image.Then I resign!I personally think that it's more important to project a happy image -that veganism is about positive enjoyment of one's life rather than grey-faced deprivation. You might not feel deprived to abstain from alcohol, say, but many people would see it that way. I would too.CathyTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 sorry mrs dove, i disagree.... but then again, i don't think dan white should have gotten away with murdering 2 folks in SF, but, then, i'm a freak....and i believe tobacco is an addiction..but..then..wot do i know.. back to my quiet corner.... fraggle " Lesley Dove " <Lesley wrote: > >Sigh, I didn't think I would have to explain this, if we want converts to >AR/veganism we do better if we come across in such a way that the public >will be likely listen to us when we do protests, we have their hearts and >minds to win over, image helps, so we have to play the game a little if we >want to get most people to listen to us seriously in the first place. > >I'm a fully fledged vegan and AR person and even I tend to shy away from >protests where people are smoking, it makes a person look really stupid and >irresponsible, so how do you think it looks to the average animal eater? >They are more likely to listen to the arguments if they are coming from >someone who is not blowing smoke around and who looks reasonably normal in >their dress. > >Lesley > > > EBbrewpunx [EBbrewpunx] > 20 August 2002 03:27 > > RE: Re: milk sucksssssssss > > > We have to present a nice clean living image. > > > ummmmmmm > why??? > > i'm vegan, so now i have to dress, look, act a certain way?? > seems silly to me > > > > >Dairy cows have no reason to feel let down by me, I am an ethical vegan >and > >will always promote veganism on animal rights grounds but I will not make > >what I believe to be false claims about giving up dairy leading to >improved > >health and less mucus for instance, because in my experience it made no > >difference to my health except mentally to my conscience and peace of >mind. > >My mucus and chest and head problems remained until I was able to live >away > >from second hand smoke. > > > > that is you, and congrats fer clearing up > but, there is a huge corrolation between downing pus, i mean dairy, and >heart disease, intestinal distress, cancer , and a host of other ills > you want to focus on smoking, ok, thats you, but don't hurt the rest of us >by implying we are wrong to focus on wot we want to, ok?? you can do as you >please, you can have yer own opnions, and state them, but remember, they are >yer opinions, and not everyone agrees with you...just keep that in mind > i am sorry smoking has affected yer life so negatively, i myself was born >partially deaf and serverly underweight because my mother smoked while she >was carrying the lil parasite that was me around, but..as long as no one >smokes in my haus, i can always walk away..i have legs....these boots(vegan >docs) were made fer walking > cheers > fraggle > >Lesley > > > > > > cathyjupp [cj] > > 19 August 2002 13:29 > > > > Re: milk sucksssssssss > > > > > > > > > > BUT I will > > > speak out when I see the vegan movement undermining anti-tobacco > > campaigning > > > by overstating the role of dairy in cancers. > > > > That would be overstating IN YOUR OPINION, would it? I'm sure that > > dairy cows everywhere would like to thank you. > > > > Their veganism will not protect them > > > from the harm they are doing to themselves. > > > > > > > The only vegans I know personally aren't vegan for their health, but > > for the animals' (I know a lot of Americals are, and some British of > > course - I just haven't met any personally). I don't think that > > anyone would reasonably argue that smoking was not bad for them - but > > some people think it worth it. Veganism has little or nothing to do > > with it. > > > > Is this going to turn into another anti-smoking forum? Shall I leave > > now? > > > > Cathy > > > > ps Hallo everyone who knows me from before. Been lurking for a > > while to see how everyone is and what's going on here - never > > intended to post because I spend far too much time at the lists when > > I get going, but you know how it is sometimes........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ibizkus [ibyza2001@h...] > > > 19 August 2002 11:43 > > > > > > milk sucksssssssss > > > > > > > > > > > > Got... Breast Cancer? Prostate Cancer? Crohn's Disease? Heart > > > Disease Sick Kids? Osteoporosis Fat? Veal? Fat? Zits? Gas? Mucus? > > > Beer? > > > > > > > > > Click here for the truth about dairy products and strong bones. > > > > > > MILK SUCKS... > > > FOR THE ANIMALS: > > > Corporate-owned factories where cows are warehoused in huge sheds > > and > > > treated like milk machines have replaced most small family farms. > > > With genetic manipulation and intensive production technologies, > > it > > > is common for modern dairy cows to produce 100 pounds of milk a > > day— > > > 10 times more than they would produce in nature. To keep milk > > > production as high as possible, farmers artificially inseminate > > cows > > > every year. Growth hormones and unnatural milking schedules cause > > > dairy cows' udders to become painful and so heavy that they > > sometimes > > > drag on the ground, resulting in frequent infections and overuse > > of > > > antibiotics. Cows -- like all mammals -- make milk to feed their > > own > > > babies -- not humans. > > > > > > > > > Male calves, the " byproducts " of the dairy industry, endure 14 > > to17 > > > weeks of torment in veal crates so small that they can't even turn > > > around. Female calves often replace their old, worn-out mothers, > > or > > > are slaughtered soon after birth for the rennet in their stomachs > > (an > > > ingredient of most commercial cheeses). They are often kept in > > tiny > > > crates or tethered in stalls for the first few months of their > > lives, > > > only to grow up to become " milk machines " like their mothers. > > > > > > > > > FOR THE ENVIRONMENT: > > > Cow's milk is an inefficient food source. Cows, like humans, > > expend > > > the majority of their food intake simply leading their lives. It > > > takes a great deal of grain and other foodstuffs cycled through > > cows > > > to produce a small amount of milk. And not only is milk a waste of > > > energy and water, the production of milk is also a disastrous > > source > > > of water pollution. A dairy cow produces 120 pounds of waste every > > > day -- equal to that of two dozen people, but with no toilets, > > > sewers, or treatment plants. > > > > > > In Lancaster County, Pa., manure from dairy cows is destroying the > > > Chesapeake Bay, and in California, which produces one-fifth of the > > > country's total supply of milk, the manure from dairy farms has > > > poisoned vast expanses of underground water, rivers, and streams. > > In > > > the Central Valley of California, the cows produce as much > > excrement > > > as a city of 21 million people, and even a smallish farm of 200 > > cows > > > will produce as much nitrogen as in the sewage from a community of > > > 5,000 to 10,000 people, according to a U.S. Senate report on > > animal > > > waste. > > > > > > > > > > > > FOR YOUR HEALTH: > > > Dairy products are a health hazard. They contain no fiber or > > complex > > > carbohydrates and are laden with saturated fat and cholesterol. > > They > > > are contaminated with cow's blood and pus and are frequently > > > contaminated with pesticides, hormones, and antibiotics. Dairy > > > products are linked to allergies, constipation, obesity, heart > > > disease, cancer, and other diseases. > > > > > > The late Dr. Benjamin Spock, America's leading authority on child > > > care, spoke out against feeding cow's milk to children, saying it > > can > > > cause anemia, allergies, and insulin-dependent diabetes and in the > > > long term, will set kids up for obesity and heart disease, > > America's > > > number one cause of death. > > > > > > And dairy products may actually cause osteoporosis, not prevent > > it, > > > since their high-protein content leaches calcium from the body. > > > Population studies, backed up by a groundbreaking Harvard study of > > > more than 75,000 nurses, suggest that drinking milk can actually > > > cause osteoporosis. Find out more by visiting our links page. > > > > > > > > > > > > WHAT YOU CAN DO: > > > According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the average > > American > > > consumes more than 550 pounds of dairy products annually, which > > is 40 > > > percent of the bulk of the food we eat. Click here to see an > > > illustration of the " Food Pyramid " which is representative of > > actual > > > American eating habits. > > > > > > Give the bottle the boot! Instead, try delicious soy or rice milk, > > > soy cheese, Tofutti ice cream, and tofu sour cream and cream > > cheese. > > > All are widely available at health food stores and many > > supermarkets. > > > Click here for information on adopting a dairy-free diet. > > > > > > > > > > > > In The News > > > > > > Anit-milk ad 'a cheap point at the expense of Catholics' (The > > > Vancouver Sun) > > > > > > Factory Dairies Invade Wisconsin (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel) > > > > > > White Poison: The Horrors of Milk(Times of India) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " There's no reason to drink cow's milk at any time in your life. > > It > > > was designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop > > drinking > > > it today. " > > > -Dr. Frank A. Oski > > > Former Director of Pediatrics, Johns Hopkins University > > > > > > > > > > > > People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals > > > 501 Front St., Norfolk, VA 23510; 757-622-PETA > > > MilkSucks.comLiving Dairy-FreeFind Out MoreFree Vegetarian > > Starter > > > PackVegNow.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 you seem to equate a few beers with out and out drunkeness there happens to be a mile of difference between hangingg out and having abeer, and falling down blind stinking drunk...in my case, about 20 beers..maybe more...depending you don't drink..fine, all well and good, but, yelling at the rest of us that do isn't going to make us not want to drink inform, educate, state opinions, etc... see, we are all here to learn....we can learn a lot from each other..and, i know i don't think the same as a whole ton of people here, and a lot of folks disagree with me, but, ya know, i certainly hope i'm not gonna get pepper sprayed fer sitting on my porch with a bottle of beer... just my thoughts is all..not quite worth 2 cents..but.... fraggle " Lesley Dove " <Lesley wrote: > >But you would not like to see a demo full of drunks staggering around, that >would be absurd surely? > >Lesley > > > cathyjupp [cj] > 20 August 2002 11:04 > > Re: milk sucksssssssss > > > , EBbrewpunx@c... wrote: > > We have to present a nice clean living image. > > Then I resign! > > I personally think that it's more important to project a happy image - > that veganism is about positive enjoyment of one's life rather than > grey-faced deprivation. You might not feel deprived to abstain from > alcohol, say, but many people would see it that way. I would too. > Cathy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 Oh well, you said it but at least you aren't a smoking freak, and who is Dan White?? If it was an addiction all the people I know who have quit, my husband before we were together, and my dad and my gran, would not have all said it was not all that difficult, so I think I know enough people close to me who have quit to be able to say the addiction is all or mostly all in the mind! Lesley EBbrewpunx [EBbrewpunx]20 August 2002 16:13 Subject: RE: Re: milk suckssssssssssorry mrs dove, i disagree....but then again, i don't think dan white should have gotten away with murdering 2 folks in SF, but, then, i'm a freak....and i believe tobacco is an addiction..but..then..wot do i know..back to my quiet corner....fraggle"Lesley Dove" <Lesley wrote:>>Sigh, I didn't think I would have to explain this, if we want converts to>AR/veganism we do better if we come across in such a way that the public>will be likely listen to us when we do protests, we have their hearts and>minds to win over, image helps, so we have to play the game a little if we>want to get most people to listen to us seriously in the first place.>>I'm a fully fledged vegan and AR person and even I tend to shy away from>protests where people are smoking, it makes a person look really stupid and>irresponsible, so how do you think it looks to the average animal eater?>They are more likely to listen to the arguments if they are coming from>someone who is not blowing smoke around and who looks reasonably normal in>their dress.>>Lesley>> > EBbrewpunx [EBbrewpunx]> 20 August 2002 03:27> > RE: Re: milk sucksssssssss>>> We have to present a nice clean living image.>>> ummmmmmm> why???>> i'm vegan, so now i have to dress, look, act a certain way??> seems silly to me>> >> >Dairy cows have no reason to feel let down by me, I am an ethical vegan>and> >will always promote veganism on animal rights grounds but I will not make> >what I believe to be false claims about giving up dairy leading to>improved> >health and less mucus for instance, because in my experience it made no> >difference to my health except mentally to my conscience and peace of>mind.> >My mucus and chest and head problems remained until I was able to live>away> >from second hand smoke.> >>> that is you, and congrats fer clearing up> but, there is a huge corrolation between downing pus, i mean dairy, and>heart disease, intestinal distress, cancer , and a host of other ills> you want to focus on smoking, ok, thats you, but don't hurt the rest of us>by implying we are wrong to focus on wot we want to, ok?? you can do as you>please, you can have yer own opnions, and state them, but remember, they are>yer opinions, and not everyone agrees with you...just keep that in mind> i am sorry smoking has affected yer life so negatively, i myself was born>partially deaf and serverly underweight because my mother smoked while she>was carrying the lil parasite that was me around, but..as long as no one>smokes in my haus, i can always walk away..i have legs....these boots(vegan>docs) were made fer walking> cheers> fraggle> >Lesley> >> > > > cathyjupp [cj]> > 19 August 2002 13:29> > > > Re: milk sucksssssssss> >> >> >> >> > BUT I will> > > speak out when I see the vegan movement undermining anti-tobacco> > campaigning> > > by overstating the role of dairy in cancers.> >> > That would be overstating IN YOUR OPINION, would it? I'm sure that> > dairy cows everywhere would like to thank you.> >> > Their veganism will not protect them> > > from the harm they are doing to themselves.> > >> >> > The only vegans I know personally aren't vegan for their health, but> > for the animals' (I know a lot of Americals are, and some British of> > course - I just haven't met any personally). I don't think that> > anyone would reasonably argue that smoking was not bad for them - but> > some people think it worth it. Veganism has little or nothing to do> > with it.> >> > Is this going to turn into another anti-smoking forum? Shall I leave> > now?> >> > Cathy> >> > ps Hallo everyone who knows me from before. Been lurking for a> > while to see how everyone is and what's going on here - never> > intended to post because I spend far too much time at the lists when> > I get going, but you know how it is sometimes........> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > > ibizkus [ibyza2001@h...]> > > 19 August 2002 11:43> > > > > > milk sucksssssssss> > >> > >> > >> > > Got... Breast Cancer? Prostate Cancer? Crohn's Disease? Heart> > > Disease Sick Kids? Osteoporosis Fat? Veal? Fat? Zits? Gas? Mucus?> > > Beer?> > >> > >> > > Click here for the truth about dairy products and strong bones.> > >> > > MILK SUCKS...> > > FOR THE ANIMALS:> > > Corporate-owned factories where cows are warehoused in huge sheds> > and> > > treated like milk machines have replaced most small family farms.> > > With genetic manipulation and intensive production technologies,> > it> > > is common for modern dairy cows to produce 100 pounds of milk a> > day—> > > 10 times more than they would produce in nature. To keep milk> > > production as high as possible, farmers artificially inseminate> > cows> > > every year. Growth hormones and unnatural milking schedules cause> > > dairy cows' udders to become painful and so heavy that they> > sometimes> > > drag on the ground, resulting in frequent infections and overuse> > of> > > antibiotics. Cows -- like all mammals -- make milk to feed their> > own> > > babies -- not humans.> > >> > >> > > Male calves, the "byproducts" of the dairy industry, endure 14> > to17> > > weeks of torment in veal crates so small that they can't even turn> > > around. Female calves often replace their old, worn-out mothers,> > or> > > are slaughtered soon after birth for the rennet in their stomachs> > (an> > > ingredient of most commercial cheeses). They are often kept in> > tiny> > > crates or tethered in stalls for the first few months of their> > lives,> > > only to grow up to become "milk machines" like their mothers.> > >> > >> > > FOR THE ENVIRONMENT:> > > Cow's milk is an inefficient food source. Cows, like humans,> > expend> > > the majority of their food intake simply leading their lives. It> > > takes a great deal of grain and other foodstuffs cycled through> > cows> > > to produce a small amount of milk. And not only is milk a waste of> > > energy and water, the production of milk is also a disastrous> > source> > > of water pollution. A dairy cow produces 120 pounds of waste every> > > day -- equal to that of two dozen people, but with no toilets,> > > sewers, or treatment plants.> > >> > > In Lancaster County, Pa., manure from dairy cows is destroying the> > > Chesapeake Bay, and in California, which produces one-fifth of the> > > country's total supply of milk, the manure from dairy farms has> > > poisoned vast expanses of underground water, rivers, and streams.> > In> > > the Central Valley of California, the cows produce as much> > excrement> > > as a city of 21 million people, and even a smallish farm of 200> > cows> > > will produce as much nitrogen as in the sewage from a community of> > > 5,000 to 10,000 people, according to a U.S. Senate report on> > animal> > > waste.> > >> > >> > >> > > FOR YOUR HEALTH:> > > Dairy products are a health hazard. They contain no fiber or> > complex> > > carbohydrates and are laden with saturated fat and cholesterol.> > They> > > are contaminated with cow's blood and pus and are frequently> > > contaminated with pesticides, hormones, and antibiotics. Dairy> > > products are linked to allergies, constipation, obesity, heart> > > disease, cancer, and other diseases.> > >> > > The late Dr. Benjamin Spock, America's leading authority on child> > > care, spoke out against feeding cow's milk to children, saying it> > can> > > cause anemia, allergies, and insulin-dependent diabetes and in the> > > long term, will set kids up for obesity and heart disease,> > America's> > > number one cause of death.> > >> > > And dairy products may actually cause osteoporosis, not prevent> > it,> > > since their high-protein content leaches calcium from the body.> > > Population studies, backed up by a groundbreaking Harvard study of> > > more than 75,000 nurses, suggest that drinking milk can actually> > > cause osteoporosis. Find out more by visiting our links page.> > >> > >> > >> > > WHAT YOU CAN DO:> > > According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the average> > American> > > consumes more than 550 pounds of dairy products annually, which> > is 40> > > percent of the bulk of the food we eat. Click here to see an> > > illustration of the "Food Pyramid" which is representative of> > actual> > > American eating habits.> > >> > > Give the bottle the boot! Instead, try delicious soy or rice milk,> > > soy cheese, Tofutti ice cream, and tofu sour cream and cream> > cheese.> > > All are widely available at health food stores and many> > supermarkets.> > > Click here for information on adopting a dairy-free diet.> > >> > >> > >> > > In The News> > >> > > Anit-milk ad 'a cheap point at the expense of Catholics' (The> > > Vancouver Sun)> > >> > > Factory Dairies Invade Wisconsin (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel)> > >> > > White Poison: The Horrors of Milk(Times of India)> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > "There's no reason to drink cow's milk at any time in your life.> > It> > > was designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop> > drinking> > > it today."> > > -Dr. Frank A. Oski> > > Former Director of Pediatrics, Johns Hopkins University> > >> > >> > >> > > People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals> > > 501 Front St., Norfolk, VA 23510; 757-622-PETA> > > MilkSucks.comLiving Dairy-FreeFind Out MoreFree Vegetarian> > Starter> > > PackVegNow.com> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 Hi Cathy / Lesley / everyone else :-) > I personally think that it's more important to project a happy image - > that veganism is about positive enjoyment of one's life rather than > grey-faced deprivation. You might not feel deprived to abstain from > alcohol, say, but many people would see it that way. I would too. Speaking from the perspective of one who ocassionally drinks tea socially but is otherwise water-total, I agree with this. If " we " are to present any sort of corporate image of veganism (which I think is a bad thing to do anyway), it should be that we are normal people living normal lives who have made a choice to live as vegans. I have no problem with people drinking alcohol. Of course it can be done to excess which can be dangerous, but what can't be? BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 I'm not completely teetotal, but I think a lot of people do drink too much. You certainly seem to have a bit of a thing for beer. Lesley EBbrewpunx [EBbrewpunx]20 August 2002 16:40 Subject: RE: Re: milk sucksssssssssyou seem to equate a few beers with out and out drunkenessthere happens to be a mile of difference between hangingg out and having abeer, and falling down blind stinking drunk...in my case, about 20 beers..maybe more...dependingyou don't drink..fine, all well and good, but, yelling at the rest of us that do isn't going to make us not want to drinkinform, educate, state opinions, etc...see, we are all here to learn....we can learn a lot from each other..and, i know i don't think the same as a whole ton of people here, and a lot of folks disagree with me, but, ya know, i certainly hope i'm not gonna get pepper sprayed fer sitting on my porch with a bottle of beer...just my thoughts is all..not quite worth 2 cents..but....fraggle"Lesley Dove" <Lesley wrote:>>But you would not like to see a demo full of drunks staggering around, that>would be absurd surely?>>Lesley>> > cathyjupp [cj]> 20 August 2002 11:04> > Re: milk sucksssssssss>>> , EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:> > We have to present a nice clean living image.>> Then I resign!>> I personally think that it's more important to project a happy image -> that veganism is about positive enjoyment of one's life rather than> grey-faced deprivation. You might not feel deprived to abstain from> alcohol, say, but many people would see it that way. I would too.> Cathy>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 Hi Fraggle > don't make me beat people with the overgrown zuichinni in my backyard Now I think this is taking flirting a bit tooooo far :-) BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 dan white killed mayor mascone of Sf and openly gay supervisor harvey milk in the 1970's he quit his job as a supervisor in Sf, then wanted it back...he just couldn't have it back, so, he went on a rampage and killed 2 people. his defense,, the famous twinkie defense, where he said he had too much junk food which made him unhinged...and he got a lighter sentence... SF erupted in chaos when the verdict came down, tho, there was a lot of reasons for it... i just mentioned it cuz you said " maybe he had a point " fraggle " Lesley Dove " <Lesley wrote: > >Oh well, you said it but at least you aren't a smoking freak, and who is Dan >White?? > >If it was an addiction all the people I know who have quit, my husband >before we were together, and my dad and my gran, would not have all said it >was not all that difficult, so I think I know enough people close to me who >have quit to be able to say the addiction is all or mostly all in the mind! > >Lesley > > > EBbrewpunx [EBbrewpunx] > 20 August 2002 16:13 > > RE: Re: milk sucksssssssss > > > sorry mrs dove, i disagree.... > > but then again, i don't think dan white should have gotten away with >murdering 2 folks in SF, but, then, i'm a freak....and i believe tobacco is >an addiction..but..then..wot do i know.. > back to my quiet corner.... > fraggle > > > " Lesley Dove " <Lesley wrote: > > > > >Sigh, I didn't think I would have to explain this, if we want converts to > >AR/veganism we do better if we come across in such a way that the public > >will be likely listen to us when we do protests, we have their hearts and > >minds to win over, image helps, so we have to play the game a little if >we > >want to get most people to listen to us seriously in the first place. > > > >I'm a fully fledged vegan and AR person and even I tend to shy away from > >protests where people are smoking, it makes a person look really stupid >and > >irresponsible, so how do you think it looks to the average animal eater? > >They are more likely to listen to the arguments if they are coming from > >someone who is not blowing smoke around and who looks reasonably normal >in > >their dress. > > > >Lesley > > > > > > EBbrewpunx [EBbrewpunx] > > 20 August 2002 03:27 > > > > RE: Re: milk sucksssssssss > > > > > > We have to present a nice clean living image. > > > > > > ummmmmmm > > why??? > > > > i'm vegan, so now i have to dress, look, act a certain way?? > > seems silly to me > > > > > > > >Dairy cows have no reason to feel let down by me, I am an ethical >vegan > >and > > >will always promote veganism on animal rights grounds but I will not >make > > >what I believe to be false claims about giving up dairy leading to > >improved > > >health and less mucus for instance, because in my experience it made >no > > >difference to my health except mentally to my conscience and peace of > >mind. > > >My mucus and chest and head problems remained until I was able to live > >away > > >from second hand smoke. > > > > > > > that is you, and congrats fer clearing up > > but, there is a huge corrolation between downing pus, i mean dairy, >and > >heart disease, intestinal distress, cancer , and a host of other ills > > you want to focus on smoking, ok, thats you, but don't hurt the rest of >us > >by implying we are wrong to focus on wot we want to, ok?? you can do as >you > >please, you can have yer own opnions, and state them, but remember, they >are > >yer opinions, and not everyone agrees with you...just keep that in mind > > i am sorry smoking has affected yer life so negatively, i myself was >born > >partially deaf and serverly underweight because my mother smoked while >she > >was carrying the lil parasite that was me around, but..as long as no one > >smokes in my haus, i can always walk away..i have legs....these >boots(vegan > >docs) were made fer walking > > cheers > > fraggle > > >Lesley > > > > > > > > > cathyjupp [cj] > > > 19 August 2002 13:29 > > > > > > Re: milk sucksssssssss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT I will > > > > speak out when I see the vegan movement undermining anti-tobacco > > > campaigning > > > > by overstating the role of dairy in cancers. > > > > > > That would be overstating IN YOUR OPINION, would it? I'm sure that > > > dairy cows everywhere would like to thank you. > > > > > > Their veganism will not protect them > > > > from the harm they are doing to themselves. > > > > > > > > > > The only vegans I know personally aren't vegan for their health, but > > > for the animals' (I know a lot of Americals are, and some British of > > > course - I just haven't met any personally). I don't think that > > > anyone would reasonably argue that smoking was not bad for them - >but > > > some people think it worth it. Veganism has little or nothing to do > > > with it. > > > > > > Is this going to turn into another anti-smoking forum? Shall I >leave > > > now? > > > > > > Cathy > > > > > > ps Hallo everyone who knows me from before. Been lurking for a > > > while to see how everyone is and what's going on here - never > > > intended to post because I spend far too much time at the lists when > > > I get going, but you know how it is sometimes........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ibizkus [ibyza2001@h...] > > > > 19 August 2002 11:43 > > > > > > > > milk sucksssssssss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Got... Breast Cancer? Prostate Cancer? Crohn's Disease? >Heart > > > > Disease Sick Kids? Osteoporosis Fat? Veal? Fat? Zits? Gas? >Mucus? > > > > Beer? > > > > > > > > > > > > Click here for the truth about dairy products and strong bones. > > > > > > > > MILK SUCKS... > > > > FOR THE ANIMALS: > > > > Corporate-owned factories where cows are warehoused in huge >sheds > > > and > > > > treated like milk machines have replaced most small family >farms. > > > > With genetic manipulation and intensive production technologies, > > > it > > > > is common for modern dairy cows to produce 100 pounds of milk a > > > day— > > > > 10 times more than they would produce in nature. To keep milk > > > > production as high as possible, farmers artificially inseminate > > > cows > > > > every year. Growth hormones and unnatural milking schedules >cause > > > > dairy cows' udders to become painful and so heavy that they > > > sometimes > > > > drag on the ground, resulting in frequent infections and overuse > > > of > > > > antibiotics. Cows -- like all mammals -- make milk to feed their > > > own > > > > babies -- not humans. > > > > > > > > > > > > Male calves, the " byproducts " of the dairy industry, endure 14 > > > to17 > > > > weeks of torment in veal crates so small that they can't even >turn > > > > around. Female calves often replace their old, worn-out mothers, > > > or > > > > are slaughtered soon after birth for the rennet in their >stomachs > > > (an > > > > ingredient of most commercial cheeses). They are often kept in > > > tiny > > > > crates or tethered in stalls for the first few months of their > > > lives, > > > > only to grow up to become " milk machines " like their mothers. > > > > > > > > > > > > FOR THE ENVIRONMENT: > > > > Cow's milk is an inefficient food source. Cows, like humans, > > > expend > > > > the majority of their food intake simply leading their lives. It > > > > takes a great deal of grain and other foodstuffs cycled through > > > cows > > > > to produce a small amount of milk. And not only is milk a waste >of > > > > energy and water, the production of milk is also a disastrous > > > source > > > > of water pollution. A dairy cow produces 120 pounds of waste >every > > > > day -- equal to that of two dozen people, but with no toilets, > > > > sewers, or treatment plants. > > > > > > > > In Lancaster County, Pa., manure from dairy cows is destroying >the > > > > Chesapeake Bay, and in California, which produces one-fifth of >the > > > > country's total supply of milk, the manure from dairy farms has > > > > poisoned vast expanses of underground water, rivers, and >streams. > > > In > > > > the Central Valley of California, the cows produce as much > > > excrement > > > > as a city of 21 million people, and even a smallish farm of 200 > > > cows > > > > will produce as much nitrogen as in the sewage from a community >of > > > > 5,000 to 10,000 people, according to a U.S. Senate report on > > > animal > > > > waste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FOR YOUR HEALTH: > > > > Dairy products are a health hazard. They contain no fiber or > > > complex > > > > carbohydrates and are laden with saturated fat and cholesterol. > > > They > > > > are contaminated with cow's blood and pus and are frequently > > > > contaminated with pesticides, hormones, and antibiotics. Dairy > > > > products are linked to allergies, constipation, obesity, heart > > > > disease, cancer, and other diseases. > > > > > > > > The late Dr. Benjamin Spock, America's leading authority on >child > > > > care, spoke out against feeding cow's milk to children, saying >it > > > can > > > > cause anemia, allergies, and insulin-dependent diabetes and in >the > > > > long term, will set kids up for obesity and heart disease, > > > America's > > > > number one cause of death. > > > > > > > > And dairy products may actually cause osteoporosis, not prevent > > > it, > > > > since their high-protein content leaches calcium from the body. > > > > Population studies, backed up by a groundbreaking Harvard study >of > > > > more than 75,000 nurses, suggest that drinking milk can actually > > > > cause osteoporosis. Find out more by visiting our links page. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHAT YOU CAN DO: > > > > According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the average > > > American > > > > consumes more than 550 pounds of dairy products annually, which > > > is 40 > > > > percent of the bulk of the food we eat. Click here to see an > > > > illustration of the " Food Pyramid " which is representative of > > > actual > > > > American eating habits. > > > > > > > > Give the bottle the boot! Instead, try delicious soy or rice >milk, > > > > soy cheese, Tofutti ice cream, and tofu sour cream and cream > > > cheese. > > > > All are widely available at health food stores and many > > > supermarkets. > > > > Click here for information on adopting a dairy-free diet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In The News > > > > > > > > Anit-milk ad 'a cheap point at the expense of Catholics' (The > > > > Vancouver Sun) > > > > > > > > Factory Dairies Invade Wisconsin (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel) > > > > > > > > White Poison: The Horrors of Milk(Times of India) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " There's no reason to drink cow's milk at any time in your life. > > > It > > > > was designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop > > > drinking > > > > it today. " > > > > -Dr. Frank A. Oski > > > > Former Director of Pediatrics, Johns Hopkins University > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals > > > > 501 Front St., Norfolk, VA 23510; 757-622-PETA > > > > MilkSucks.comLiving Dairy-FreeFind Out MoreFree Vegetarian > > > Starter > > > > PackVegNow.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 yup, yer correct some people drink to much some eat too much some got their licenses to drive out of a cracker jack box.. some watch too much tv some drink too much coffee... and yes, i happen to really enjoy beer...i have hops tattooed on me arms fer bacchus' sake fraggle " Lesley Dove " <Lesley wrote: > >I'm not completely teetotal, but I think a lot of people do drink too much. >You certainly seem to have a bit of a thing for beer. > >Lesley > > > EBbrewpunx [EBbrewpunx] > 20 August 2002 16:40 > > RE: Re: milk sucksssssssss > > > you seem to equate a few beers with out and out drunkeness > > there happens to be a mile of difference between hangingg out and having >abeer, and falling down blind stinking drunk...in my case, about 20 >beers..maybe more...depending > > > you don't drink..fine, all well and good, but, yelling at the rest of us >that do isn't going to make us not want to drink > inform, educate, state opinions, etc... > see, we are all here to learn....we can learn a lot from each other..and, >i know i don't think the same as a whole ton of people here, and a lot of >folks disagree with me, but, ya know, i certainly hope i'm not gonna get >pepper sprayed fer sitting on my porch with a bottle of beer... > just my thoughts is all..not quite worth 2 cents..but.... > fraggle > > > > " Lesley Dove " <Lesley wrote: > > > > >But you would not like to see a demo full of drunks staggering around, >that > >would be absurd surely? > > > >Lesley > > > > > > cathyjupp [cj] > > 20 August 2002 11:04 > > > > Re: milk sucksssssssss > > > > > > , EBbrewpunx@c... wrote: > > > We have to present a nice clean living image. > > > > Then I resign! > > > > I personally think that it's more important to project a happy image - > > that veganism is about positive enjoyment of one's life rather than > > grey-faced deprivation. You might not feel deprived to abstain from > > alcohol, say, but many people would see it that way. I would too. > > Cathy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 I must have missed some emails here - where did the subject of smoking come from. There is quite a good anti-smoking campaign stating the evils of tobacco use. The government does still however promote milk as being good for you. So I feel there is more need for people to point out the health disadvantages of milk. Jo ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 Cathy I don't think the smoking thing started here. I am confused as to where it came from, out of the blue! Has it been an argument on another list and if so why is it on this list. I like to think this list is a friendly one, and not keen on arguments carryied over from other lists. Jo Is this going to turn into another anti-smoking forum? Shall I leave now? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 Lesley I think the point is that we cannot tell other people what to do. We have to decide for ourselves what parts of life we join in with and which parts we separate ourselves from. We cannot impose our will on everyone else. Jo - Lesley Dove Monday, August 19, 2002 6:26 PM RE: Re: milk sucksssssssss Is it worth AR people smoking though if the smokers on demos and marches put people who are sensitive like me off going? It makes me so ill, that I am considering not going on a march again if I have to be surrounded by cigarette smoke, I felt very sick on the demo in London and after outside the pub, some of it might have been the car fumes in London but experience has taught me that tobacco smoke affects me worse! I'm nmo use to anyone I believe demos and protests for the animals should be strictly non-smoking affairs, it creates a very bad impression on the public to have people smoking. We have to present a nice clean living image. Dairy cows have no reason to feel let down by me, I am an ethical vegan and will always promote veganism on animal rights grounds but I will not make what I believe to be false claims about giving up dairy leading to improved health and less mucus for instance, because in my experience it made no difference to my health except mentally to my conscience and peace of mind. My mucus and chest and head problems remained until I was able to live away from second hand smoke. Lesley cathyjupp [cj]19 August 2002 13:29 Subject: Re: milk sucksssssssssBUT I will> speak out when I see the vegan movement undermining anti-tobacco campaigning> by overstating the role of dairy in cancers.That would be overstating IN YOUR OPINION, would it? I'm sure that dairy cows everywhere would like to thank you.Their veganism will not protect them> from the harm they are doing to themselves.> The only vegans I know personally aren't vegan for their health, but for the animals' (I know a lot of Americals are, and some British of course - I just haven't met any personally). I don't think that anyone would reasonably argue that smoking was not bad for them - but some people think it worth it. Veganism has little or nothing to do with it.Is this going to turn into another anti-smoking forum? Shall I leave now?Cathyps Hallo everyone who knows me from before. Been lurking for a while to see how everyone is and what's going on here - never intended to post because I spend far too much time at the lists when I get going, but you know how it is sometimes........> > > ibizkus [ibyza2001@h...]> 19 August 2002 11:43> > milk sucksssssssss> > > > Got... Breast Cancer? Prostate Cancer? Crohn's Disease? Heart> Disease Sick Kids? Osteoporosis Fat? Veal? Fat? Zits? Gas? Mucus?> Beer?> > > Click here for the truth about dairy products and strong bones.> > MILK SUCKS...> FOR THE ANIMALS:> Corporate-owned factories where cows are warehoused in huge sheds and> treated like milk machines have replaced most small family farms.> With genetic manipulation and intensive production technologies, it> is common for modern dairy cows to produce 100 pounds of milk a day—> 10 times more than they would produce in nature. To keep milk> production as high as possible, farmers artificially inseminate cows> every year. Growth hormones and unnatural milking schedules cause> dairy cows' udders to become painful and so heavy that they sometimes> drag on the ground, resulting in frequent infections and overuse of> antibiotics. Cows -- like all mammals -- make milk to feed their own> babies -- not humans.> > > Male calves, the "byproducts" of the dairy industry, endure 14 to17> weeks of torment in veal crates so small that they can't even turn> around. Female calves often replace their old, worn-out mothers, or> are slaughtered soon after birth for the rennet in their stomachs (an> ingredient of most commercial cheeses). They are often kept in tiny> crates or tethered in stalls for the first few months of their lives,> only to grow up to become "milk machines" like their mothers.> > > FOR THE ENVIRONMENT:> Cow's milk is an inefficient food source. Cows, like humans, expend> the majority of their food intake simply leading their lives. It> takes a great deal of grain and other foodstuffs cycled through cows> to produce a small amount of milk. And not only is milk a waste of> energy and water, the production of milk is also a disastrous source> of water pollution. A dairy cow produces 120 pounds of waste every> day -- equal to that of two dozen people, but with no toilets,> sewers, or treatment plants.> > In Lancaster County, Pa., manure from dairy cows is destroying the> Chesapeake Bay, and in California, which produces one-fifth of the> country's total supply of milk, the manure from dairy farms has> poisoned vast expanses of underground water, rivers, and streams. In> the Central Valley of California, the cows produce as much excrement> as a city of 21 million people, and even a smallish farm of 200 cows> will produce as much nitrogen as in the sewage from a community of> 5,000 to 10,000 people, according to a U.S. Senate report on animal> waste.> > > > FOR YOUR HEALTH:> Dairy products are a health hazard. They contain no fiber or complex> carbohydrates and are laden with saturated fat and cholesterol. They> are contaminated with cow's blood and pus and are frequently> contaminated with pesticides, hormones, and antibiotics. Dairy> products are linked to allergies, constipation, obesity, heart> disease, cancer, and other diseases.> > The late Dr. Benjamin Spock, America's leading authority on child> care, spoke out against feeding cow's milk to children, saying it can> cause anemia, allergies, and insulin-dependent diabetes and in the> long term, will set kids up for obesity and heart disease, America's> number one cause of death.> > And dairy products may actually cause osteoporosis, not prevent it,> since their high-protein content leaches calcium from the body.> Population studies, backed up by a groundbreaking Harvard study of> more than 75,000 nurses, suggest that drinking milk can actually> cause osteoporosis. Find out more by visiting our links page.> > > > WHAT YOU CAN DO:> According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the average American> consumes more than 550 pounds of dairy products annually, which is 40> percent of the bulk of the food we eat. Click here to see an> illustration of the "Food Pyramid" which is representative of actual> American eating habits.> > Give the bottle the boot! Instead, try delicious soy or rice milk,> soy cheese, Tofutti ice cream, and tofu sour cream and cream cheese.> All are widely available at health food stores and many supermarkets.> Click here for information on adopting a dairy-free diet.> > > > In The News> > Anit-milk ad 'a cheap point at the expense of Catholics' (The> Vancouver Sun)> > Factory Dairies Invade Wisconsin (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel)> > White Poison: The Horrors of Milk(Times of India)> > > > > > > > "There's no reason to drink cow's milk at any time in your life. It> was designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop drinking> it today."> -Dr. Frank A. Oski> Former Director of Pediatrics, Johns Hopkins University> > > > People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals> 501 Front St., Norfolk, VA 23510; 757-622-PETA> MilkSucks.comLiving Dairy-FreeFind Out MoreFree Vegetarian Starter> PackVegNow.com> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 Right Fraggle We can discuss things here, but we're not too good at being nasty :-) BB Jo > we can all discuss things here, right folks... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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