Sorry I brought up the annual Thankgiving nightmare

[Guest guest]

I am so sorry that I upset the group by dealing with my family's Thanksgiving

needs--I was the one who brought it up. The annual Thanksgiving nightmare still

exists for many of us, including myself.

 

I still have to cook meat for my husband--I am not an evangelical vegetarian any

more than I belong to an evangelical church. It would be a much better world if

no one ate meat, but I live in a world that contains many meat eaters.

 

Much of what makes us deal with being vegetarians effectively is how we deal

with nonvegetarians. Having been a vegetarian since 1977, I have had to deal

with these issues for years. Dealing with meat eaters in a compassionate manner

is very important to me--I am still working hard on it. I must have compassion

for meat eaters as well as our beloved four-leggeds.

 

Vegetarian Peace Please

Kathleen

 

veggiehound <veggiehound wrote:

Well no, I won't delete ;=) But we try not to talk about me*t on this list, cuz

this

is a *vegetarian* list, ya know? LOL Sometimes we talk about things that look

like or taste like me*t, or we talk about *not* eating me*t. But what we don't

do

is advise on where to buy me*t for consumption - or on how to prepare it, cook

it, etc. etc. etc. Okay? ;=)

 

Also, as far as farm animals are concerned, remember that their lives are

shortened by, er, slaughter, no matter how 'humane' the life - and the

slaughter is not decidely *not* humane.

 

Me? If I had a meat-eating dh, I'd not assist either his or my conscience by

going to the extent of seeking out animal flesh that was more 'acceptable'. But

that's easy for me to say because my dh is also a longtime veggie ;=)

 

Good luck! Maybe you guys can consult about this off list?

 

Best,

 

Pat ;=) - who really does understand your dilemma and how you're trying to

do the right thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Good morning, Kathleen ;=)

 

Thanks for writing, but I'm sorry you're upset :=(

 

> I am so sorry that I upset the group by dealing with my family's Thanksgiving

needs--I was the one who brought it up.

 

Did you upset the group? I don't think so - no one has written to say so.

 

In any case, you were not the one who brought it up, Kathleen - I was. I asked

about how Thanksgiving went and you were among those who answered!

 

What you are responding to here is *my* response to your message

requesting venues for buying meat that was farmed compassionately. You

said you would understand if your request was deleted since it may be

unsuitable for this forum. I did not delete. Indeed, I answered you explaining

why it was unsuitable but, if you look, actually making a suggestion as to

where and how you could find the information you seek. (I am leaving my

response in its entirely below to make things easier for you to compare.)

 

>The annual Thanksgiving nightmare still exists for many of us, including

myself.

 

Indeed it does, which was why I gave an opportunity for people to vent. And

the December holidays are nearly on us now and the nightmare continues! It

is a very very stressful time of year for everyone.

 

> I still have to cook meat for my husband--I am not an evangelical vegetarian

any more than I belong to an evangelical church. It would be a much better

world if no one ate meat, but I live in a world that contains many meat eaters.

 

Oh I do so agree with you here! ;=) My dh and I don't proselytize either,

believe it or not. People come to vegetarianism or not in their own way. We do

however say that we don't eat animal flesh. That puts us in the seriously weird

category of people in the western world! It might encourage some people to

think about not eating it themselves, but that's a different matter. What we all

say here on the list, however, is different - cuz we're among vegetarians - and

here we can talk about vegetarianism freely!

 

> Much of what makes us deal with being vegetarians effectively is how we

deal with nonvegetarians.

 

Well, maybe ;=) I think I'd differ with you a little bit here - in that I don't

think

nonvegetarians come into the equation for me. It's dealing with *vegetarians*

that is important to me - because it's vegetarians who are the minority. Ya

know? That's what this list is about, in part, giving support to vegetarians for

their health (including their fitness and by extension their weight-loss or

weight-gain problems). But, hey, different strokes!

 

>Having been a vegetarian since 1977, I have had to deal with these issues

for years.

 

You have half a dozen years' edge on me there, I think (counting on fingers

because of time off for bad behaviour, time off for illness and insistent

doctors,

time off . . . ) Yeah, you've definitely been at it longer! ;=)

 

>Dealing with meat eaters in a compassionate manner is very important to

me--I am still working hard on it. I must have compassion for meat eaters as

well as our beloved four-leggeds.

 

Oh yes indeed - compassion for all living creatures. But not - and this is

perhaps where we differ? - not, for me, compassion for their meat-eating -

that's quite a different thing from compassion for them. (A bit, as the

preachers

are wont to say, like loving the 'sinner' but deploring the 'sin' - which I use

only

by analogy, btw!)

 

And what I meant when I said, see below, that I wouldn't be so keen to ease

their conscience was this: If I, as a vegetarian, were to buy animal flesh for

someone in my household (and oh yes I've done it in the past, although no

more) I would be reluctant to let them think that I de-facto 'approved' of it by

seeking out 'less cruel' sources (since the animal is just as dead anyway).

And in that I was speaking for *myself* as I thought I had made clear. Just me.

I wasn't trying to wish it on you. You can check out what I said below.

 

I think what I'm trying to say here is that your apology is Not needed - not by

any standards and certainly not mine. Your implied rebuke of me as not

having compassion for non-vegetarians is, however, misplaced. I do. But on

this list I give support to *vegetarians* - people like yourself and myself -

and

there is no way I am going to encourage them to find 'compassionately' grown

and dispatched animal caracasses for themselves or others to consume ;=)

That would be, well, counterproductive - right? LOL It would go *against*

giving support for vegetarianism, y'see. But that again is just me, but I am

what

you've got here right now ;=)

 

I have trouble believing you misunderstood my post. Perhaps you could

explain to me, off list if you prefer, what is worrying you about it?

 

Best love,

 

Pat

 

> veggiehound <veggiehound> wrote:

> Well no, I won't delete ;=) But we try not to talk about me*t on this list,

cuz

this

> is a *vegetarian* list, ya know? LOL Sometimes we talk about things that

look

> like or taste like me*t, or we talk about *not* eating me*t. But what we don't

do

> is advise on where to buy me*t for consumption - or on how to prepare it,

cook

> it, etc. etc. etc. Okay? ;=)

>

> Also, as far as farm animals are concerned, remember that their lives are

> shortened by, er, slaughter, no matter how 'humane' the life - and the

> slaughter is not decidely *not* humane.

>

> Me? If I had a meat-eating dh, I'd not assist either his or my conscience by

> going to the extent of seeking out animal flesh that was more 'acceptable'.

But

> that's easy for me to say because my dh is also a longtime veggie ;=)

>

> Good luck! Maybe you guys can consult about this off list?

>

> Best,

>

> Pat ;=) - who really does understand your dilemma and how you're trying to

> do the right thing.

>