Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Correction. Pat does not eat chips and dip, but she doesn't despise people who do either. Pat also is not the one who is bravely trying to shed 100 pounds. Pat is trying to shed 15 or 20 pounds. Pat is also fed up with this foolishness. Actually, Ron, talking to a fence post or a door knob might be a good idea - you'd do a great deal ess harm. best, pat -- PAT (In London, Ontario) Email List: townhounds- (townhounds/) Personal Email: SANTBROWN Personal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer * " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice * " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 And may I just point out, in the interests of semantics, correct usage, general education, etc., that the following message is an example of what one would correctly call a flame. best, pat " rlmftw " wrote: > Dave: > > I don't know if you have ever had the experience, but if you have > ever tried to talk sense to a smoker about smoking then you will know > what I am talking about. Smokers apparently cannot talk rationally > about smoking cigarettes because they are so emotionally controlled > by their addiction. > > Food is an addiction. There are mental aspects to dieting. Some > people are so emotionally invested in their chips and dips that they > cannot understand that the only rational way to deal with chips and > dips is to give them up completely. > > I think Pat is one of those people. In my opinion, she will never > lose that 100 pounds until she is willing to give up chips and dips. > But she is not even willing to talk about the POSSIBILITY that this > would be one way for her to lose 100 lbs and keep it off. > > For this reason, there is no more reason for me to talk with Pat > about dieting than to talk with a smoker about quitting smoking. I'd > sooner talk with a fence post, or a door knob. > > Ron McClure > > , " daveo " <daveo@m...> wrote: > > >>...When you see one of my posts, please > > realize that I am not talking to you.<< > > > > Get real, guys!!! You post to a list, you are talking to everybody > on the > > list. Why would you think otherwise? > > > > Dave > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 I have been "giving it a break" since you joined the group. I have done everything I could to keep my mouth shut and I could only do it till now. You need to remember that these posts are read by everyone, not just those you want to target. I can respond to anything I feel the need to just as you have been doing. I feel targeted by the things you say even when they don't apply to me because of how they are said. I don't have any weight to lose and your comments disturb me so I can only imagion what someone who does need to lose must be feeling. Allison:Perhaps you should give it a break. If I'm not talking with you, don't read my posts.Ron McClure , <amurphey@p...> wrote:> > > Allison Murphey> Administrative Assistant> Planned Parenthood of Western Pennsylvania> (412) 434-8957> - > rlmftw <rlmftw > > Wednesday, January 15, 2003 1:58 PM> Re: Diets don't work> > > > You also appear to be "flaming" similar to the way I was last week, > for the following reason. If I only know one way to do something, > and somebody tells me there is a better way to do it, what I hear is > that they are telling me that I can't do it.> > Ron McCLure- > > I also get the feeling that you have been telling us on here all day that "we can't do it" when you go off about sugar and tell us that the American world WANTS to be fat. While that may possibly be true for a small majority, I do not think it fits everyone out there. You are preaching a BETTER way in your opinion to fix this problem and it feels to me at least that you are saying people can't do it on their own when it is the only way they know how... There are many people who have done it and kept the weight off by themselves, without giving up sugar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 , " rlmftw <rlmftw> " <rlmftw> wrote: > Laura: > You don't understand what I am >talking about. Well, i agree with you there, and i have to be honest too and say that i don't believe you understand what i'm talking about either. I'm very sorry about this as this never happens to me in " real life " . Especially as i work in mental health (i'd be sacked!) I think i know where we're going wrong though. I live in the UK and its very different to the USA. We use different words to you, so i think this is where the problem is. i should think more before i post in future. I think your last posts have clarified this for me, as what you talk about as a diet, and i guess what you were talking about when you said diets don't work, is what we'd call a " fad diet " or a " celebrity diet " . Such as that sugar diet you mentioned which, i agree, was apalling!!! So i'm sorry i was a bit confused by the different use of the word. also i guess working in health i'm used to referring to anything people eat as their diet. So, in this context i totally agree with you - these kinds of diets don't work. Also i think that there are other differences in the way we think which are largely cultural. I'm not sure about this but i'm pretty sure there are more overweight people living on fast food in the USA than the UK. So your posts about people who can't control what they eat and crave sugar and fat doesn't really ring true to me over here in the UK. Most people i know eat reasonably healthy diets. > Diet has a physical, mental and spiritual aspect. When you talk > about diet, you appear to be talking about nothing more than the > physical aspect. When i talk about diet i do mean the physical aspects. To me, thats what diet is about. I do believe that people's relationship with food is complex and has emotional aspects though. I think that you can't ignore that. Thats why we're here to try and offer each other support, but the group is to discuss the practicalities of the physical aspects. > You also appear to be " flaming " similar to the way I was last week, > for the following reason... I really am very sorry if i came across as " flaming " . I really didn't mean to. I thought that i had responded in the same direct tone that you use in your postings. I had a pretty stressful day, and to be honest when i come home and spend my few free hours wading through postings which appear negative, it makes me sad. So i really sincerely apologise to everyone for this! I'm so sorry! But i do have to say i don't agree with your last comment. I'll try to be polite but i don't like being told why i'm thinking or acting the way i am. Only i know that. I should finish by saying i'm sorry that this mail is so long but i felt so bad that i had been interpretted that way that i had to explain. Ron, despite the way i came across, i do really think you are doing very well with your diet, and more than that, the way you have taken to exercise. It really is admirable. I had no intention to cause harm. I guess it was just a misunderstanding of what you meant and a bad day at work! Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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