Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 This is something that has always bothered me - even before I became vegetarian, dead-animal " art " seemed horribly wasteful. I don't know what you could do about it, though, beyond mentioning your concerns to whoever runs the program. I mean, I don't think it's weird to find painting with a rotting mollusc strange. -Katie ______________________ ______________________ Message: 7 Thu, 24 Jul 2003 02:53:11 -0000 " elizabethmaxsmom " <elizabethmaxsmom vegetarian art for toddlers Hi everyone - As the subject indicates, this is a weird question. My son is in a little summer camp program. It's at our church, though not religious in nature, and the church is a progressive one anyway (community suppers are usually vegetarian, they only serve organic shade grown fair trade coffee, etc.) Anyway, so Max and I get to the program today and the children are making " squid prints " . I thought that looked like fun, figuring, as any sane person would, that it was a rubber squid. No - I found out, before Max did the project, which he wasn't interested in anyway, that it was a real (dead) squid. I just don't think that fits in with our values. And I'm not even vegan - I mean, we do have some leather shoes and stuff. But that just seems unnecessary and disrespectful to a fellow living creature and with no good reason. I mean, even if they just found the squid dead on the beach. Am I being weird or are they? Any comments? ps.- When people say veg*n, they mean vegetarian or vegan, right> I have been assuming the * character was like a blank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 > Sorry Pat I should have been more specific on what amused me about > that article; I am not for a second saying there is anything funny > about people getting any living being drunk (or manipulating them in > any other way for that matter) for their own amusement. Okay. But it did kinda read that way ;=) No need to apologize, tho. > Humans have been purposely intoxicating themselves for longer than we > can record even though we know this can be a destructive behaviour. > It seems this trait isn't something uniquely human after all. Why > should we have considered it to be? > That is what I found so intriguing. Well I did sound a bit prissy there, but I wasn't just being difficult. One of my beagles, for example, has to be watched around white wine - she'll steal out of a glass left on a coffee table. It's not good for her, so we don't leave glasses on coffee tables. She might decide that she likes the feeling - she is a hyper little thing after all ;=) - and it may be 'human' and say something about her closeness to human animals, but it isn't funny. Nor would it be ethical of me to . . . blah blah blah blah blah ;=( When I was a kid, there was a dog who lived nearby who loved beer and would beg it from people at the pub before weaving its way home, drunk as a lord. How human. > There are so many people in the world who claim humans are seperated > from animals by some very fundamental differences e.g. language, use > of tools, self-awareness, cognition of pain and suffering etc. Yeah. The dominant race used to say that of other races too. > Which means that by indulging in such past-times a creature is > proving it's self-awareness. It could even show boredom and curiosity. Entirely possible. > Studying why some animals do this could have a huge impact on the > amount of people that still consider them to be " dumb " , soulless or > purely instinctual. Hmmm. I wonder how they found out fish felt pain - from causing them pain, of course, otherwise how would they know? I am worried about such experiments but take your point about the possible impact. As for the other so-called non-human primates, they should be given human status and be left to get on with their lives, their families, etc. But that is just imho. Thanks for the considered response. I think we are agreed - just differ in our way of saying it ;=) Best, Pat -- SANTBROWN townhounds/ vegetarianslimming/ HOMEPAGE: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " There are too many idiots in this world. And having said it, I have the burden of proving it. " (Franz Fanon) * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " (Albert Schweitzer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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