For those who eat fish...excellent source of good ...

[Guest guest]

You assumed wrong, that's all. Fish swim. Fish hurt

when we kill them and rip their bones out. Their flesh is

as much the flesh of animal as a chicken flesh is.

Some say they don't feel pain in the same way, but then,

those types of people just want to quibble about pain

to justify their own desires to consume flesh of a dead

animal that swims in the water. If you've ever been

unfortunate enough to see one die after being ripped

from the water they call home, then you would be enlightened

perhaps. Namaste

 

~ PT ~

 

Worlds can be found by a child and an adult bending down

and looking together under the grass stems or at the

skittering crabs in a tidal pool.

~ Mary Catherine Bateson

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~>

, Val Lee <vallee45>

wrote:

> IVe Always Been Under The Assumption That Fish Is Not

> Considered A Meat.

[Guest guest]

The Fish

Elizabeth Bishop

 

I caught a tremendous fish

and held him beside the boat

half out of water, with my hook

fast in a corner of his mouth.

He didn't fight.

He hadn't fought at all.

He hung a grunting weight,

battered and venerable

and homely. Here and there

his brown skin hung in strips

like ancient wallpaper,

and its pattern of darker brown

was like wallpaper:

shapes like full-blown roses

stained and lost through age.

He was speckled with barnacles,

fine rosettes of lime,

and infested

with tiny white sea-lice,

and underneath two or three

rags of green weed hung down.

While his gills were breathing in

the terrible oxygen

--the frightening gills,

fresh and crisp with blood,

that can cut so badly--

I thought of the coarse white flesh

packed in like feathers,

the big bones and the little bones,

the dramatic reds and blacks

of his shiny entrails,

and the pink swim-bladder

like a big peony.

I looked into his eyes

which were far larger than mine

but shallower, and yellowed,

the irises backed and packed

with tarnished tinfoil

seen through the lenses

of old scratched isinglass.

They shifted a little, but not

to return my stare.

--It was more like the tipping

of an object toward the light.

I admired his sullen face,

the mechanism of his jaw,

and then I saw

that from his lower lip

--if you could call it a lip

grim, wet, and weaponlike,

hung five old pieces of fish-line,

or four and a wire leader

with the swivel still attached,

with all their five big hooks

grown firmly in his mouth.

A green line, frayed at the end

where he broke it, two heavier lines,

and a fine black thread

still crimped from the strain and snap

when it broke and he got away.

Like medals with their ribbons

frayed and wavering,

a five-haired beard of wisdom

trailing from his aching jaw.

I stared and stared

and victory filled up

the little rented boat,

from the pool of bilge

where oil had spread a rainbow

around the rusted engine

to the bailer rusted orange,

the sun-cracked thwarts,

the oarlocks on their strings,

the gunnels--until everything

was rainbow, rainbow, rainbow!

And I let the fish go.

[Guest guest]

You know, that was always what I never understood about a certain

denomination that used to forbid eating meat on Fridays, but allowed fish.

I always thought that was STILL eating meat. Never made sense to me.

 

And the idea that fish don't feel pain?!? How stupid. Reminds me of the

days when people thought newborns and unborn children didn't feel pain. Now

we know otherwise. And I remember the day my (now ex)boyfriend skinned a

catfish. My skin was crawling to think of the pain that poor catfish was

going through. and it was obviously in pain. How idiotic!

 

Darlene

 

Read about our experience with Child " Protective " Services at

http://members.freespeech.org/herod/ and scrolling down and clicking on

" Port Colborne " .

-

" ~ P_T ~ " <patchouli_troll

 

Tuesday, August 26, 2003 2:33 PM

Re: For those who eat fish...excellent source of

good ...

 

 

> You assumed wrong, that's all. Fish swim. Fish hurt

> when we kill them and rip their bones out. Their flesh is

> as much the flesh of animal as a chicken flesh is.

> Some say they don't feel pain in the same way, but then,

> those types of people just want to quibble about pain

> to justify their own desires to consume flesh of a dead

> animal that swims in the water. If you've ever been

> unfortunate enough to see one die after being ripped

> from the water they call home, then you would be enlightened

> perhaps. Namaste

>

> ~ PT ~

>

> Worlds can be found by a child and an adult bending down

> and looking together under the grass stems or at the

> skittering crabs in a tidal pool.

> ~ Mary Catherine Bateson

> ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~>

> , Val Lee <vallee45>

> wrote:

> > IVe Always Been Under The Assumption That Fish Is Not

> > Considered A Meat.

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