Dishonesty???

[Guest guest]

Fein the words of another? *lol* I used a quote to

illuminate a thought I had and a value I hold dear.

I like that quote and find it to be a helpful reminder

for myself and others that speaking ill of a person

to a third party is in fact our ego's way of praising

ourselves in a round about manner.

 

I don't know why you decided to end your dialogue

with Gene as you did, but it is entirely your call and

you aren't in any way obligated to continue something

you don't find edifying. But I would enjoy reading of the

sources you said existed that have information on the

glycemic (sp) index in regards to carbs, or more pointedly

what studies have been done on the topic of which carbs

cause glucose levels to spike etc. Forgive me if I am not

able to articulate it well enough for you to understand

what it is I am interested in as I am unfamiliar with some

of more technical terms.

 

Suffice it to say that I was disappointed that your dialogue

ended as it did b/c I was interested in learning more about

that. It made me wonder if your bowing out the way you did

was a way of admitting that you really didn't have any sources

for that information as you claimed you did? If you don't know

of any studies like those then that's cool and not a big deal.

 

Other than your difference of opinion on the peer review topic

I didn't think you and he were having difficulty during this

exchange and that little detail could be sidestepped easily

enough as it isn't pertinent to the main topic really.

If the both of you could keep personalities out of it,

stick to the bare bones, facts, and information then the

exchange would be pleasant for those of us to read that

are interested in the topic.

 

Oh, and our list is only 1 year old. *s* Shawn said if I hurry

I can make post #10,000 and win the big prize of free access

to the recipe files for another whole year ! Whooo hoooo.

Wait a minute....

 

~ PT ~

 

A proverb is the child of experience.

~ English proverb

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, " daveo " <daveo@m...> wrote:

>

> To not speak clearly from one's heart, and instead feign the words

of

> another to suggest what one cannot say is what's dishonest.

>

> I seek friendly exchanges, useful dialogue, honesty, clarity, mutual

> sharing, and a growing sense of people helping people. After two

years,

am

> I alone in hoping for that kind of atmosphere in this group?

>

> daveo

[Guest guest]

>>I used a quote to illuminate a thought I had and a value I hold dear. I

like that quote and find it to be a helpful reminder for myself and others

that speaking ill of a person to a third party is in fact our ego's way of

praising ourselves in a round about manner.<<

 

And that response was so unlike you. You are the very last one I expected

to assume such a dismissive attitude. In essence, you did exactly what you

accused me of doing.

 

 

 

>>I don't know why you decided to end your dialogue with Gene as you did,

but it is entirely your call and you aren't in any way obligated to continue

something you don't find edifying.<<

 

If that thread held interest for you and you failed to speak up, then sadly

you received exactly what you asked for. Why did you not post a response?

 

I am not alone in viewing Gene's interaction with the group as a big pain

the tush, in spite of the fact that some of what he writes is quite

entertaining and cute. I remember more than once that you and I exchanged

off-list emails about " the situation. " I didn't agree with your kid's

gloves approach then and agree even less today b/c his " poor attitude "

continues to degrade the quality of this fine group of veggies.

 

 

 

>>But I would enjoy reading of the sources you said existed that have

information on the glycemic (sp) index in regards to carbs, or more

pointedly what studies have been done on the topic of which carbs cause

glucose levels to spike etc.<<

 

The GI is but one source of reliable, highly useful info that veggies might

consider. Without a fertile environment for such seeds to grow, how can

anyone expect to have access to them?

 

Regarding GI foods that spike glucose levels and which ones don't, such info

is easily available in " The Glucose Revolution " by Jennie Brand-Miller. The

primary value of this info is for those suffering with type II diabetics.

For those unaffected, it explains some of the uncomfortable feelings we get

from certain foods, but the impact health wise is far less significant.

 

One last comment--uh, dare I say it? Well, okay. I don't place the same

value on the GI as does Gene. With the vastness of reliable, highly

professional medical research that exists, the GI related stuff is like a

speck. There's a saying that when the only tool you have is a hammer,

everything looks like a nail.

 

 

 

>>Forgive me if I am not able to articulate it well enough for you to

understand what it is I am interested in as I am unfamiliar with some of

more technical terms.<<

 

Have no fear. My style is not to descend sarcastically on someone for using

the wrong word or for improperly expressing an idea that's new to them. In

the kind of dialogue I seek making mistakes is okay. No one is perfect, and

all I seek is the honesty to fully own our own words. If you say it wrong

the first time, then please restate it until our discussion is properly

concluded. How reasonable is that?

 

 

 

>>Suffice it to say that I was disappointed that your dialogue ended as it

did b/c I was interested in learning more about that.<<

 

And, the question you did not ask was?

 

I suggest that if you or any other member had asked a question, the

dialogue would probably be in progress now.

 

 

 

>>It made me wonder if your bowing out the way you did was a way of

admitting that you really didn't have any sources for that information as

you claimed you did?<<

 

I appreciate the honesty. I doubt if anyone really wanted to see hundreds,

maybe thousands of Medline references posted in an email. So, that can

hardly be the issue.

 

Here's what was said by me:

> the quality of many is very high, and once you've become

> accustomed to reading them, you'll probably discover that

> the bias is also very low.

 

Gene responded: Name some. Cite some.

 

I suggest that such a challenge has no reasonable response. Two issues were

addressed which Gene had earlier said degraded medical research--poor

quality and bias. Rather than further support his point of view re: these

two qualities, he denies that any such material might exist by demanding

that I produce them. It's unreasonable on its face.

 

I don't know about you, but I live in a world where reasonable dialogue and

fair-minded exchanges are commonplace. This demand without so much as a

hint as to why my material was being challenged was not at all what I'd

expect in a friendly dialogue.

 

 

 

>>If you don't know of any studies like those then that's cool and not a big

deal.<<

 

Buffoonery is not my style either. If you seek something specific, then

ask. I can usually provide far more info than you'll ever want to read. If

you want to see hundreds of top quality, non biased research papers on any

topic, then I can accommodate that too, but why would you want to see them

like that?

 

 

 

>>Other than your difference of opinion on the peer review topic I didn't

think you and he were having difficulty during this exchange and that little

detail could be sidestepped easily enough as it isn't pertinent to the main

topic really.<<

 

If that's all you saw, then perhaps you ought to ask Shawn for a second

opinion (which he had the courage to state). The entire email was simply a

" typical Gene " rant. I won't belabor the point b/c you and everybody else

in this group knows exactly what I'm talking about. And while I'm at this

point, let me be clear. My only criticism of you as moderator is that you

continue to tolerate such behavior as if it's okay. Speaking only for

myself, I say that it's NOT okay!

 

 

 

>>If the both of you could keep personalities out of it, stick to the bare

bones, facts, and information then the exchange would be pleasant for those

of us to read that are interested in the topic.<<

 

Here's a news flash, PT! This is not about personalities. It's about

respecting others in this group, and it's about owning your own words. When

you finally make this your standard, then Gene's continuing bad attitude

will signal the end of him posting in this group.

 

My image of myself does not turn on anyone else's opinion of me especially

when it comes to questions of personality. I make choices that have given

me a grand life. I come from a place of giving. I offer info only to share

with others who might use it. I seek to change NO ONE.

 

My words touch many on this planet, raise their eyes in pride, help some to

stand taller, to seek more for themselves, and to find that better part of

who they are. I apologize for nothing and this is especially true when I

lock horns with someone who, through their own pain, misfortunte, upset, and

negativity, would suck the very life out of another.

 

I seek peace, friendship, and family. When I have that, I put 100% into

making things work for everyone's benefit. When that's threatened, I do

whatever it takes to resolve the issues. My successes are many and live all

around me.

 

Unfortunately, not all issues have a resolution b/c some people fail to

learn the necessity for compromise not only with other but within

themselves. Need I say more?

 

 

 

>>Oh, and our list is only 1 year old. *s* Shawn said if I hurry I can make

post #10,000 and win the big prize of free access to the recipe files for

another whole year ! Whooo hoooo.

Wait a minute....<<

 

Thanks, I stand corrected, and except for a couple of bumps, it has indeed

been a grand year. You deserve much praise for making this happen.

 

daveo