Guest guest Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 There is a philosophical stance called Ethical Tolerance. This asserts that one need not be perfect as long as one's intent is good. This means that, say, it's all right for a Vegan to have eaten, say, fried rice done in chicken broth, if the makers of the rice lie to the Vegan. (In Islam, eating pork sends you to hell, period, even if you don't know you're eating it; similar punishments exist in Kosher dietary restrictions, etc.) Now, an examination of how we're forced to live by our society shows that it would be ludicrous to expect anyone to let termites, ants, mice, or what ever vermin destroy their house on the grounds that they should respect all life. You might, perhaps, seek a method of ridding yourself of the pests that either doesn't kill or kills mercifully, but if this isn' t possible, ethical tolerance would state that larger concerns apply and so, in a relative way, it's perfectly ethical for someone to rid themselves and their homes of pests. Had Gandhi been infested by, say, lice, he would certainly have used tar-based shampoo to rid himself of them, even though this would kill the lice on him. There is a famous story about Albert Schweitzer using sugar trails to lead an infestation of ants out of his bungalow in the jungle. This story is used to show how compassionate he was to all life, etc. Well, that's bunk. Truth is, he was doing the practical thing. Had he tried to kill them he would have found the infestation growing. Everyone there knows the best thing to hope for, or to bring about, is another source of food for the ants, so they move on by themselves. This is what he did by providing trails of sugar to lead them away. It was practical jungle living, not some overarching saintly compassion. So in some circumstances it's possible that the compassionate thing coincides with the practical thing. In North America, using sugar trails to lead an ant infestation away is just not going to work, and where would one lead them, to the neighbor's? Unethical, that. So we see that societal norms affect what's ethical. Now how about giving up honey because the apiaries are cruel to bees? Seems to me the honey harvesters could indeed find better, less cruel ways to pursue their goals. This means that boycotting honey until the farmers change to kinder methods is a perfectly good move. Same with, for instance, Sir Paul McCartney's recent words against KFC's cruelty to its chickens. He pointed out that, even if one wishes to eat chicken, supporting the worst of the methods is unethical. He's right. And by the way, one's palate isn't an excuse for continuing to patronize KFC. Saying, " But I don't like any other kind of chicken, " is babyish and self-indulgent. I became a vegetarian for health reasons. Soon the ethical reasons grew on me, as I began to realize that avoiding meat had blessed my actions with a kind of grace. I'd chosen health, but had ended up also being ethical and compassionate about animal suffering as a result. This pleases me. Dual benefits like this are rare enough in life. My eldest son is a Vegan, and very ethical in all other spheres of his life, too. He practices Ethical Tolerance out of necessity -- he won't knowingly eat animal products, but if some unscrupulous moron slips animal products into some food he eats, he won't beat himself up over it. He will, once he finds out, simply avoid that person, company, and food from then on. It's all any of us could do, or expect, really. On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 11:58 PM, wrote: > Message: 1 > Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:07:40 -0000 > " Sheryl " <ssarndt > cotton and vegan questions > >> Honey I can live without. I have a problem with cotton. > > > What is wrong with cotton? > > Is it because they pour pesticides on it and kill off the cotton > weevils and the other bugs??? > > This is one reason I don't ever think I will call myself " vegan " . > Even organic farmers kill off the bugs that kill their crops. If I > eat such food products, can I still be called a vegan?? Technically > the bugs are being killed with intent. > > What if I have my house sprayed for termites or carpenter ants? > Technically it's cruel and malicious intent and bugs are getting > killed to save my house just like the bees are getting injured to > harvest the honey. > What about all the mosquitoes we swat when they try to eat us > alive? Is this a vegan thing to do?? > > I'm not trying to be mean, but these are questions I've thought > about and reasons I would not call myself " vegan " . The terminology > and definition implies something far more perfect than I could > achieve. Even if I discontinued eating all animal products, I think > I will always be a vegetarian. Strength of stone, refreshing water, In peaceful place of green. Strength of water, fresher flowering, Peaceful stone has ever been. Strength of growth, refreshing stone, Peace of water to be seen. --Chris Warwick, Black Crow Welsh Druid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 Well said. Thank you!! > There is a philosophical stance called Ethical Tolerance. This asserts > that one need not be perfect as long as one's intent is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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