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On Mar 1, 2009, at 7:53 PM, Elchanan wrote:

 

> 2. Science is presently aware of thousands and thousands of

> nutrients, and

> many more probably await future discovery.

 

True. I've often mentioned there may be thousands of nutrients still

undiscovered.

 

> 3. Therefore, eating for individual nutrients is almost always a

> self-defeating proposition. And that is what you propose here ... to

> eat

> mushrooms in an attempt to gather in some vitamin D.

 

I, basically, don't eat for nutrients, individual or otherwise. I just

eat (one exception is when doing " experiments " ). I find the subject of

vitamin D from mushrooms interesting. This is an experiment to me.

I'll likely go back to rarely eating mushrooms, like I did before

(although Thrive's chili contains mushrooms. I enjoy their chili!). As

I've also mentioned, other aspects of my blood analysis may be

affected. In other words, perhaps not just the vitamin D may be

affected. As science may be unaware of a great many nutrients, blood

analysis only looks at individual nutrients. Unknown nutrients and

their effects on the body may go unnoticed. As you mention, this is

only one nutrient. As a vegan, I appreciate that there is a non-animal

source of vitamin D for those .who do not get enough sun and/or are

looking for supplementation (or just worry about getting enough D)

 

> Jeff, many people are unaware just how little sunlight it takes to

> get the

> body producing vitamin D. Go for a 30-minute walk as frequently as

> you can.

> Find a window to sit in front of, take off as many clothes as

> circumstances

> and personal comfort permit, and sit there when the sun shines in.

> (Yes, the

> glass filters out some of the sunlight, but not all, not even

> close.) My

> point is that you can indeed do some things to engage with the

> sun ... and

> that this will benefit you in many ways, beyond vitamin D. For

> example, just

> going for regular walks will expose you to light, fresh air

> movement, and

> more.

>

> In other words, what I'm suggesting is that you're asking a self-

> limiting

> question and that you consider changing the question entirely. For

> example,

> you might ask yourself, " How CAN I get some sunshine in my life,

> even here

> in the NW Territory? How would Lewis and Clark have done so? " Allow

> your

> sense of curiosity and play to come to the fore, rather than having

> it be

> some serious-seeming inquiry.

 

As my last year's test was considerably higher than the previous year

(without mushrooms or supplements of any kind) I realize I did pretty

well using the sun (though there are still other variables). Your

point, however, is still appreciated.

 

I don't know what question you are considering " self-limiting " . I'm

curious if eating mushrooms prior to my vitamin D test will result in

a higher level of D (according to the test). It may not be an exact

scientific study, but if the change is significant, then it will

likely satisfy my curiosity.

 

If I have a sense that this little study is confirmed, it is one more

piece of information I can share with others who may be paranoid about

giving up their pasteurized/homogenized bovine mammary secretions.

While this may be a raw list, away from this list I still deal with a

lot of questions from people closer to Standard American Diets.

 

> Regarding the mushrooms per se, as I've already written in another

> post

> earlier today, from my perspective, under normal circumstances, the

> cost, in

> terms of energy and other resources, of processing and eliminating the

> mushrooms outweighs any potential benefit. By " normal circumstances,

> I mean

> not famine, not war, etc.

 

I recognize that any " food " that may have a toxic element, may have a

detrimental effect on the body.

 

> You may find it interesting to know that mushrooms are no longer

> considered

> plants. I mention this because, if I have the right sense of your

> chronological age, you were probably taught about the 2 kingdoms of

> life,

> plants and animals. But the biological taxonomy is a hopeless mess,

> (those

> most of the scientists will not yet say so in public). Right now, many

> biologists acknowledge fungi (which subsumes mushrooms) as a kingdom

> of life

> entirely distinct from plants, animals, and the other kingdoms. So

> when you

> consider eating mushrooms, from a biological perspective, you're not

> even

> speaking of eating plants.

 

I don't consider mushrooms as plants, though I recognize much of our

society may (many are still confused with " fruits " and " vegetables " ).

I consider mushrooms fungi.

 

Jeff

 

 

 

 

 

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