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Hi.  I posted a while ago that I am, in about 10 days, going to be mostly

bedridden and completely alone in Seattle...with no friends, support...nothing. 

I don't know what I expected, but I hadn't read the board much, and here's my

reaction now.

 

I am vegan, but do not eat raw.  I don't have the energy to get food often,

let-alone prepare food, let-alone prepare raw food.  If I could get raw meals,

would I eat them?  Yes.  I would give it a dedicated `try'...but, I am not

capable of it.  I know this may sound horrible, selfish, and mean...but after

reading the posts for awhile, I'm really annoyed, and think that some of you may

be seriously `turning off' newbies like me by your `know-it-all' attitudes.

 

First.  You have made a choice about what YOU want to do, and what works for

YOU.  However, many of you seem to think that it is the `morally right' CHOICE

for everyone.  Honestly, as someone who's a `newbie', I am pretty disgusted by

the incredible arrogance and self-righteousness shown during the conversation

about right-to-die issues (although it's so, so common in most of the threads). 

Let's just say that I think kindness and compassion are more important than

`being right', and I'd pull those qualities out of the bag when thinking about

what OTHER PEOPLE choose to do about the ending of their life.  I have met many

raw-foodists who are on a quest for immortality, and it's been an incredible

turn-off for someone who's just thinking about adventuring into the raw food

realm to meet the extremists that seem to be dominating this board.  Let's just

say that I can't imagine being friends with most of you, and you do NOTHING,

NOTHING to make me

want to go completely raw...especially if I become someone who thinks it's the

answer for everyone.  Surely raw foodists are not immune from going thru

excruciating deaths.  And, I don't think choosing to die is an EASY choice.  How

dare you say that!.  You're not at that point in your life, and believe me, if

you ever are, you'll be a hell of a lot more humble than you are sounding right

now.

 

Secondly, I pleaded for help, for people to help me out.  I got two offers.  One

person did write back, the second flaked on me.  While it was generous for the

first person to offer to help at all, I cannot, will not, and do not want people

in my life who think it's okay to force their experience, and `answers' on me. 

With illnesses like fibromyalgia, there IS no one answer, so all my red flags go

up when someone tells me they've found `the answer'.  Having said that, at least

she offered to help.

 

At the risk of sounding like a total brat, why are the rest of you interested in

talking people's ears off when they're not interested, and trying to get your

families and friends to change, and blaming other people for their own

illnesses, lalalala....but when someone honestly asks for help, and is willing

to try to transition to raw food...where are you??? 

 

I understand that talk is so much easier than action, but at some point, leading

by example, without proseletizing (sp?) goes a lot further.  I know this as a

vegan, who's decided to stop yelling at people, but who's decided that gently

leading by example is much more effective.

 

In short, most of you have turned me off EVER joining a raw-foodist group...and

I am truly disappointed that no one has offered to humbly help me out, to

whatever degree we both think will work.  Although honestly, unless it was

someone who was also pretty disgusted by the arrogance shown in these threads, I

don't think I'd even want you as a friend.

 

If there's anyone who would like to help me in this time of crisis, and is

willing to help with no strings attached as far as lecturing, etc. goes, I would

appreciate your time, caring, and compassion to no end. But you have to have a

sense of humour about it all. Even while I'm eating lasagna.  Because I'm not

and never had planned on going 100% raw...but I would like to eat maybe 50% raw,

which would be about 50% more than I'm doing now.

 

Tirade done.  Peace out, chill out, and with compassion for those who are ill,

and for those who will be one day but who think they're *ahem* `immune'.

 

Harriet

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I think you may have signed up to this group for the wrong reasons.

 

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not here to be someones life coach, and

I certainly did not join this group be a living foods cheerleader and try and

convince people that they should be 100% raw.

And I definitely do not appreciate being chastised for not offering to become

someones part time nurse maid! How unbelievably audacious of you to come here

and complain, ESPECIALLY when someone actually did try and help you, but

evidently it wasn't good enough!!

 

Did it ever occur to you that you are not the only one here that became

interested in raw foods because of health issues?

I can't speak for the rest of the people here, but let me tell ya...I've got my

own problems, sister.

It's all I can do to keep my own head above water, so save your guilt trips for

people that actually know you and are choosing not to help you, instead of

trying to make a bunch of strangers that you know NOTHING about feel like sh*t!

 

One last thing...perhaps you should take a look at what it is about your own

personality that has put you in a place in your life where you don't have any

friends of your own to ask for help. 

I'll bet you that I can guess what it is.

 

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 11/2/08, princess bride <herbivoresf wrote:

princess bride <herbivoresf

Illness, raw food, needing help, and this board

 

Sunday, November 2, 2008, 4:37 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi.  I posted a while ago that I am, in about 10 days, going to be

mostly bedridden and completely alone in Seattle...with no friends,

support...nothing.  I don't know what I expected, but I hadn't read the board

much, and here's my reaction now.

 

 

 

I am vegan, but do not eat raw.  I don't have the energy to get food often,

let-alone prepare food, let-alone prepare raw food.  If I could get raw meals,

would I eat them?  Yes.  I would give it a dedicated `try'...but, I am not

capable of it.  I know this may sound horrible, selfish, and mean...but after

reading the posts for awhile, I'm really annoyed, and think that some of you may

be seriously `turning off' newbies like me by your `know-it-all' attitudes.

 

 

 

First.  You have made a choice about what YOU want to do, and what works for

YOU.  However, many of you seem to think that it is the `morally right' CHOICE

for everyone.  Honestly, as someone who's a `newbie', I am pretty disgusted by

the incredible arrogance and self-righteousness shown during the conversation

about right-to-die issues (although it's so, so common in most of the threads). 

Let's just say that I think kindness and compassion are more important than

`being right', and I'd pull those qualities out of the bag when thinking about

what OTHER PEOPLE choose to do about the ending of their life.  I have met many

raw-foodists who are on a quest for immortality, and it's been an incredible

turn-off for someone who's just thinking about adventuring into the raw food

realm to meet the extremists that seem to be dominating this board.  Let's just

say that I can't imagine being friends with most of you, and you do NOTHING,

NOTHING to make me

 

want to go completely raw...especially if I become someone who thinks it's the

answer for everyone.  Surely raw foodists are not immune from going thru

excruciating deaths.  And, I don't think choosing to die is an EASY choice.  How

dare you say that!.  You're not at that point in your life, and believe me, if

you ever are, you'll be a hell of a lot more humble than you are sounding right

now.

 

 

 

Secondly, I pleaded for help, for people to help me out.  I got two offers.  One

person did write back, the second flaked on me.  While it was generous for the

first person to offer to help at all, I cannot, will not, and do not want people

in my life who think it's okay to force their experience, and `answers' on me. 

With illnesses like fibromyalgia, there IS no one answer, so all my red flags go

up when someone tells me they've found `the answer'.  Having said that, at least

she offered to help.

 

 

 

At the risk of sounding like a total brat, why are the rest of you interested in

talking people's ears off when they're not interested, and trying to get your

families and friends to change, and blaming other people for their own

illnesses, lalalala.... but when someone honestly asks for help, and is willing

to try to transition to raw food...where are you??? 

 

 

 

I understand that talk is so much easier than action, but at some point, leading

by example, without proseletizing (sp?) goes a lot further.  I know this as a

vegan, who's decided to stop yelling at people, but who's decided that gently

leading by example is much more effective.

 

 

 

In short, most of you have turned me off EVER joining a raw-foodist group...and

I am truly disappointed that no one has offered to humbly help me out, to

whatever degree we both think will work.  Although honestly, unless it was

someone who was also pretty disgusted by the arrogance shown in these threads, I

don't think I'd even want you as a friend.

 

 

 

If there's anyone who would like to help me in this time of crisis, and is

willing to help with no strings attached as far as lecturing, etc. goes, I would

appreciate your time, caring, and compassion to no end. But you have to have a

sense of humour about it all. Even while I'm eating lasagna.  Because I'm not

and never had planned on going 100% raw...but I would like to eat maybe 50% raw,

which would be about 50% more than I'm doing now.

 

 

 

Tirade done.  Peace out, chill out, and with compassion for those who are ill,

and for those who will be one day but who think they're *ahem* `immune'.

 

 

 

Harriet

 

 

 

 

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Wow, really? you come on a raw food list and tell us how much you are suffering

and are surprised and offended when we tell you that you need to go raw if you

want to heal? Amazing.

 

I am very sorry that you are suffering. I know how horrible that is, I've been

there. The fact is though that you are suffering because of what you are eating

and have eaten over your lifetime. If you go raw you WILL heal your

fibromyalgia. I'm sure that eating raw won't cure EVERY disease know to man

(although it will definitely improve any condition I'm sure), but I know it WILL

cure fibro and cfs. I've seen it over and over again on many raw food boards

over the six years that I have been raw. I have also seen several clients and

friends completely heal from fibro and cfs, usually very quickly.

 

I live in Texas or else I would I have offered to help you. But I would have

been very hesitant to help you for too long if you weren't serious about wanting

to heal, which means going raw. Why would someone continue to help you if you

arent' willing to help yourself by giving raw a chance? Why would someone want

to get close to you and become friends with you and watch you suffer when they

know damn well that you don't have to suffer? It is very hard to see someone be

in pain, especially when you know there is absolutely no reason for it (that

cant be easily remedied) and the person does have a choice.

 

Give raw a chance. Try it for 90 days. I promise you will feel better. You have

nothing to lose and everything to gain. If you are getting food somehow now, you

can get raw fruits and veggies the same way. You don't have to prepare anything.

Just eat raw fruit and veggies. Nothing could be simpler.

 

Perhaps you are just not sick enough yet to be able to consider giving up

all your favorite foods, and that is fine. One day you probably will

be. When that happens, reach out to the raw food community again

because I know that I have never found a more willing and helpful group

of people.

 

I;m sorry if this sounds harsh, but as a former sufferer from fibro and cfs you

really touched a nerve.

 

I really do wish you the best.

 

Blessings,

 

Audrey

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

herbivoresf

Sun, 2 Nov 2008 16:37:30 -0800

Illness, raw food, needing help, and this board

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi. I posted a while ago that I am, in about 10 days, going to be

mostly bedridden and completely alone in Seattle...with no friends,

support...nothing. I don't know what I expected, but I hadn't read the board

much, and here's my reaction now.

 

 

 

I am vegan, but do not eat raw. I don't have the energy to get food often,

let-alone prepare food, let-alone prepare raw food. If I could get raw meals,

would I eat them? Yes. I would give it a dedicated `try'...but, I am not

capable of it. I know this may sound horrible, selfish, and mean...but after

reading the posts for awhile, I'm really annoyed, and think that some of you may

be seriously `turning off' newbies like me by your `know-it-all' attitudes.

 

 

 

First. You have made a choice about what YOU want to do, and what works for

YOU. However, many of you seem to think that it is the `morally right' CHOICE

for everyone. Honestly, as someone who's a `newbie', I am pretty disgusted by

the incredible arrogance and self-righteousness shown during the conversation

about right-to-die issues (although it's so, so common in most of the threads).

Let's just say that I think kindness and compassion are more important than

`being right', and I'd pull those qualities out of the bag when thinking about

what OTHER PEOPLE choose to do about the ending of their life. I have met many

raw-foodists who are on a quest for immortality, and it's been an incredible

turn-off for someone who's just thinking about adventuring into the raw food

realm to meet the extremists that seem to be dominating this board. Let's just

say that I can't imagine being friends with most of you, and you do NOTHING,

NOTHING to make me

 

want to go completely raw...especially if I become someone who thinks it's the

answer for everyone. Surely raw foodists are not immune from going thru

excruciating deaths. And, I don't think choosing to die is an EASY choice. How

dare you say that!. You're not at that point in your life, and believe me, if

you ever are, you'll be a hell of a lot more humble than you are sounding right

now.

 

 

 

Secondly, I pleaded for help, for people to help me out. I got two offers. One

person did write back, the second flaked on me. While it was generous for the

first person to offer to help at all, I cannot, will not, and do not want people

in my life who think it's okay to force their experience, and `answers' on me.

With illnesses like fibromyalgia, there IS no one answer, so all my red flags go

up when someone tells me they've found `the answer'. Having said that, at least

she offered to help.

 

 

 

At the risk of sounding like a total brat, why are the rest of you interested in

talking people's ears off when they're not interested, and trying to get your

families and friends to change, and blaming other people for their own

illnesses, lalalala....but when someone honestly asks for help, and is willing

to try to transition to raw food...where are you???

 

 

 

I understand that talk is so much easier than action, but at some point, leading

by example, without proseletizing (sp?) goes a lot further. I know this as a

vegan, who's decided to stop yelling at people, but who's decided that gently

leading by example is much more effective.

 

 

 

In short, most of you have turned me off EVER joining a raw-foodist group...and

I am truly disappointed that no one has offered to humbly help me out, to

whatever degree we both think will work. Although honestly, unless it was

someone who was also pretty disgusted by the arrogance shown in these threads, I

don't think I'd even want you as a friend.

 

 

 

If there's anyone who would like to help me in this time of crisis, and is

willing to help with no strings attached as far as lecturing, etc. goes, I would

appreciate your time, caring, and compassion to no end. But you have to have a

sense of humour about it all. Even while I'm eating lasagna. Because I'm not

and never had planned on going 100% raw...but I would like to eat maybe 50% raw,

which would be about 50% more than I'm doing now.

 

 

 

Tirade done. Peace out, chill out, and with compassion for those who are ill,

and for those who will be one day but who think they're *ahem* `immune'.

 

 

 

Harriet

 

 

 

 

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