Guest guest Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 I'm not choosing to kill myself (just to clarify)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 Jeff: I was referring to Raw Washington. Having standards does NOT mean anyone is judging anyone! People NEED to have the correct & complete info PRESENTED to them! Then they will have a REAL choice! IF I-1000 passes it would NOT provide a real choice! IF I-1000 passes it will create a NEW right. How about voting NO until some of the options we believe in are presented/incorporated in a future Initiative? Let's keep on thinking out of BIG boxes! And encourage EVERYONE to do that! Jim P.S. I should be at Thrive on Sunday after 5pm IF anyone wants to discuss this with me in person. On Behalf Of Jeff Rogers Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:50 PM Re: Death with Dignity/Jeff > I find it amazing that a > group into health is often for I-1000!?! If you are referring to those in the health field who watch people suffer and die, they may not know any better regarding diet and nutrition and may consider their choice to support the proposition compassionate. (BTW, aren't medical groups who are against I-1000 in a conflict of interest?) If you are referring to groups like raw foodists, I remind you it doesn't mean they choose death. It may mean they choose not to judge and realize they are in absolutely no position to decide for others. I know that I am in absolutely no position to judge those in hospital beds and am in no position to make decisions for them and their families and friends. > Again, TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE > A RIGHT! I understand your view. I choose to let those people with their families and friends to make that choice. It is not my place to judge them as wrong or right. God is their judge (IMO) and is in a much better position to judge than me. I certainly wouldn't want to be judged for being the vote that, basically, required people's agony and suffering to be prolonged (even if food choices could have prevented or " cured " it). Again... not my place to judge. I realize that if one of my own family was in that position and wanted that option, but could not have it, they (the ones wanting that option) would likely continue taking their poison in small doses and would prolong/continue their suffering. If they had gotten to that point, we likely would have already had conversations about healthful eating and living. Is it wrong for the medical profession to not give their patients the information to reverse their disease? (I believe so.) Is it wrong to require terminally ill patients to continue agony and suffering, against their will? (Perhaps) If so, that would be two wrongs! I appreciate our members sharing their views to help others come to grips with this issue and make a decision. Let's let them make their choice and see what the state decides. Unfortunately, (I suspect) by far, most of the voters are likely unaware of optimal health and nutrition (not that I/we know everything, but we are thinking outside some big boxes!). Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 Hi I have learned in my short life that while watching someone die of cancer while they fight for their life is so painful suicide is also unbearable. The only way I could personally support this would be with extreme scrutiny that this person had no chance to live (which we have seen people beat those odds) and was of completely sound mind. Both of those things are hard to prove. My mom lost her friend last year to cancer. She actually had beat it once during a try with juice/raw moment but upon returning to her usual ways saw it return, she continued to fight thru the second time but did not make it. Whenever I think of how it would feel if someone I loved who was dying wanted to kill themselves I can only think they need love, support, help, assistance but not assistance in giving up on life.. We are here in my opinion to live this life as a journey where giving up is not an option. I hope everyone is able to see each others point of view peacefully soon this election will be over and we will all be living with the results together. Peace Light & Love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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