Transitioning to 80/10/10: What % are veggies...?

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much. Yah- people look at me like I'm crazy when I sit down to a

massive bowl of salad!

I've been 100% raw for just over 2 years now and vegan for about 8 years- but

definately still have my times of not feeling so great. I don't know if I'm

still detoxing even after 2 years, or if I've just been eating too many nuts, or

dried foods, or raw cacao, and maca, etc??!!

So I'm always fine tuning and experimenting with different proportions. And

still trying to learn from books and other raw foodists.

I love Viktoria Boutenko's, and Gabriel Cousins books and ideas, and I am

looking forward to reading Dr Grahams. So thanks again for the information. One

last question- where does most of the 10% protein come from (ideally)?

Thanks!

Erinn

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" Elchanan " <Elchanan

 

Tue, 9 Oct 2007 22:33:31

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Transitioning to 80/10/10: What % are veggies...?

 

 

Hi Erinn & everyone,

 

It depends how you measure and classify. Typically we measure by % of

calories. Using that approach, greens provide 2-4% of daily calories, fruits

most or all of the rest. This includes nonsweet fruits such as zucchini,

okra, cucumber, etc. and any high-fat fruits such as avocado, durian, etc.

Some would call the former (nonsweet fruits) " vegetables " , which makes the

answer to your question a bit fuzzy. In general, we'd minimize the true

vegetables ... flowers such as broccoli, grubber-food such as grow

underground, and the like. We also minimize nuts and seeds, in particular,

because they are high-fat, calorie-dense foods and because they are

physically rough in the digestive tube (high in very hard indigestible

fiber), as I described earlier today.

 

Now, if we use a different method, then we'd look at 2 large heads of

lettuce each day, and instead of seeing 120 calories or so out of our total

for the day, we'd see a mound of food!!! That would be by volume, or size.

Then we'd look at our pile of bananas, or mangos, or grapes, or whatever,

and we'd see another mound of food.

 

Because high-water-content fruits and greens are low in calorie density (few

calories per bite, or per amount eaten), one of the primary transitioning

challenges many people face when they begin eating this way is learning to

eat enough volume in order to get enough calories and other waterborne

nutrients. Between the fruits and the greens, it's a LOT of food ... more

than most people have ever eaten before.

 

For purposes of this conversation, we might think of the stomach as a

muscle. Seen through this lens, we would exercise the stomach as we would

any other muscle ... slowly, over time, adding load as we go, stretching it

more and more (adding volume, in this case), and so forth. And as with any

muscle, this process takes some time, varying somewhat from person to

person, of course.

 

Quite a different picture of " transitioning " from the usual RF descriptions!

 

Just a terminology note: Green leaves are vegetation, but they are not

really vegetables. Vegetables are to their plants as fruits are to theirs:

storehouses of fuel, related to reproduction in some way, etc. In contrast,

green leaves are the factories, the place where photosynthesis occurs. So I

always treat green leaves as vegetation, not as vegetables. Obviously, not

everyone uses the words as I do.

 

Interestingly, Victoria Boutenko came to the same awareness a few years ago,

at the dawn of her green smoothie adventure. That is, she realized that

leaves are not vegetables at all, they play an entirely different role in

the life of plants.

 

Please feel free to write back with any and all questions! Best to all,

Elchanan

 

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Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:23 PM

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What % are veggies...?

 

I am purchasing the 80/10/10 book online- but am curious to know what

percentage of the diet is fruits, what percentage is leafy greens, and what

percentage is other vegetables?

Thanks for the information!!

Erinn

[Guest guest]

Hi Erinn & everyone,

 

It depends how you measure and classify. Typically we measure by % of

calories. Using that approach, greens provide 2-4% of daily calories, fruits

most or all of the rest. This includes nonsweet fruits such as zucchini,

okra, cucumber, etc. and any high-fat fruits such as avocado, durian, etc.

Some would call the former (nonsweet fruits) " vegetables " , which makes the

answer to your question a bit fuzzy. In general, we'd minimize the true

vegetables ... flowers such as broccoli, grubber-food such as grow

underground, and the like. We also minimize nuts and seeds, in particular,

because they are high-fat, calorie-dense foods and because they are

physically rough in the digestive tube (high in very hard indigestible

fiber), as I described earlier today.

 

Now, if we use a different method, then we'd look at 2 large heads of

lettuce each day, and instead of seeing 120 calories or so out of our total

for the day, we'd see a mound of food!!! That would be by volume, or size.

Then we'd look at our pile of bananas, or mangos, or grapes, or whatever,

and we'd see another mound of food.

 

Because high-water-content fruits and greens are low in calorie density (few

calories per bite, or per amount eaten), one of the primary transitioning

challenges many people face when they begin eating this way is learning to

eat enough volume in order to get enough calories and other waterborne

nutrients. Between the fruits and the greens, it's a LOT of food ... more

than most people have ever eaten before.

 

For purposes of this conversation, we might think of the stomach as a

muscle. Seen through this lens, we would exercise the stomach as we would

any other muscle ... slowly, over time, adding load as we go, stretching it

more and more (adding volume, in this case), and so forth. And as with any

muscle, this process takes some time, varying somewhat from person to

person, of course.

 

Quite a different picture of " transitioning " from the usual RF descriptions!

 

Just a terminology note: Green leaves are vegetation, but they are not

really vegetables. Vegetables are to their plants as fruits are to theirs:

storehouses of fuel, related to reproduction in some way, etc. In contrast,

green leaves are the factories, the place where photosynthesis occurs. So I

always treat green leaves as vegetation, not as vegetables. Obviously, not

everyone uses the words as I do.

 

Interestingly, Victoria Boutenko came to the same awareness a few years ago,

at the dawn of her green smoothie adventure. That is, she realized that

leaves are not vegetables at all, they play an entirely different role in

the life of plants.

 

Please feel free to write back with any and all questions! Best to all,

Elchanan

 

 

On Behalf Of williamserinn

Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:23 PM

 

What % are veggies...?

 

I am purchasing the 80/10/10 book online- but am curious to know what

percentage of the diet is fruits, what percentage is leafy greens, and what

percentage is other vegetables?

Thanks for the information!!

Erinn