Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Here is my input on this topic, which I know has roused many emotions in the vegan world: Any pediatrician or alternative medical provider would tell us that you can't feed a newborn infant apple juice and expect that baby to grow and thrive. Ditto coconut milk or wheatgrass juice. That article does not tell us the proportion of soy milk vs. apple juice, but a lot of young parents start those babies right out on apple juice, which must be diluted, depriving the baby of needed nutrients for growth. Or they add cereal to the formula bottles, again, diluting the nutrients, and filling the baby so he/she doesn't want to eat as much. A newborn infant's best source of nutrition is exclusive breastmilk fed on demand, which is every 1-2 hours for a newborn, which tries the patience of many new mothers. The (far) second best source is a processed infant formula, cows milk or soy-based. Anything outside of those two foods will not be adequate for the infant's growth. As for the older baby or toddler, they are not intended to be weaned yet!! They should still be breastfed, which would continue to ensure good growth and development. The rest of the world historically has breastfed their babies until they are 4-5 years old, and that is NORMAL. It's only our society that has declared a woman's breast to be " sexual " and therefore " dirty " and the act of breastfeeding to be something shameful and to be hidden and minimized. A vegan mother can certainly provide adequate (breastmilk) nutrition for her baby, I've seen babies who were born to vegan mothers do just fine. Of course, it depends on the quality of her diet, just as the quality of the omnivore mother's diet is going to affect the quality of her breast milk. People can make good choices, or poor choices, regardless of their dietary leanings. (Where are the verdicts against the parents who feed their kids nothing but junk food and McDonald's, causing the kids to balloon up into the 3-digits of weight well before their 10th birthdays, thereby condemning them to a lifetime of illness and suffering??) In these news articles, I never read the other details: Why did the mother not notice that her baby was not growing properly?? Where was the grandmother?? Where was the the midwife; the physician, mainstream or alternative?? Sorry, but, a person's dietary choice is irrelevant here, that's just being made a selling point to grab peoples' attention and shed doubt on a healthy lifestyle. To feed a baby nutrient-poor foods and ignore the obvious signs of failure to thrive and not seek any kind of medical intervention is, pure and simple, neglect. Sorry, it's not about the lifestyle, it's not about the dietary choice, it's about paying attention to your baby, and getting competent guidance in his/her care and feeding. So, that is my two-cents worth. I wouldn't expect it to change the opinion of the author, nor those of the multitude of SAD folks who we see in Safeway or Walmart. Remember that anybody can write a book about anything they want to, get it published, and sell it. Just because something is in print does not necessarily mean that it's true or accurate. It also doesn't necessarily mean that people are going to pick it up and read it, nor remember it 5 years hence. (Which brings up another topic - how many books are published every year that have no merit whatsoever, are merely published because somebody writes them, they sit on the shelves, becoming " bargain books " , until somebody buys them, only to sit on their shelves at home, and eventually ending up in the trash? How many trees are lost every year to feed this industry??) Blessings - Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 I am not yet raw and currently nursing a 10 month old VERY healthy very round baby girl... I had an almost vegan pregnancy (a few bites of cheese here and there and an occasional egg and occasional fish). I avoid processed foods- no soy sausage for me thank you very much. I eat tons of fruits and veggies organic if possible. I no longer eat dairy or eggs (allergic kids including the baby) and I still have rare fish. I eat plenty of good fats- avocadoes, VCO, flax seeds, walnuts, almonds, etc in their raw state. My other 2 children were conceived and nursed on an omnivore diet (my other daughter was the catalyst to becoming vegetarian and our home is/was dairy free). This last baby, while genetics does play in, is by far my largest baby (she was the smallest at birth). She grew 18 ounces in her first 13 days, did it again 3 more times for the next 6 weeks. She has consistantly been in the 95% for length and 75% for weight. She is very happy, very healthy, and very active. She is still 99.9% nursed. That .01% is whatever she happens to swallow when she is playing with food I give her (broccoli spears, whole cooked beans, jicima spears, zuchini spears, apple without the peel spears, avocado chunks, or frozen peas) to keep her occupied during dinner. She really doesn't want to eat food yet and is content to get all her nutrition from me. So, death by veganism? Don't think so. Try death by idiots! Who on earth thinks that apple juice and soy milk is good food for a 6 week old baby!? And, like was mentioned before, how could they not see their baby was wasting away? I had a baby who didn't grow (my other daughter mentioned before was 7.5 months old and 14.5 pounds) and it took 6.5 months to get her to figure out nursing well, HOWEVER, she never ONCE looked unhealthy. She was hitting developmental milestones ahead of the curve (rolling at 2 months, fully mobile at 4 months, pulling up and walking around furniture by 6.5 months etc) so we never worried about her size or lack of growth. She is now a very healthy 3.5 yr old who is actually fairly normal sized... she just needed 2.5 yrs to catch up to her age. Marisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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