Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Shari Viger [shavig] Tuesday, June 07, 2005 4:27 AM <Rawschool > Rawschool Subject: [Rawschool] sharing resposibilities Elchanan> ask others to pick up the tab This is a subject that is a thorn in my side! Thank you Elchanan! For our family we do without health insurance because we believe in being responsible for our own health and we wouldn't go to the medical community anyway. What really bothers me is the neighbor that shops at the " case " store (COSTCO, Sams, etc...) and brings in cases of non-food, poisons. She is on 12 medications, 150 pounds overweight, depressed, doesn't exercise, you get the picture.... Yet she gets all her medications, counseling, housing, food, & general assistance paid for by the government because she is too depressed to work!!!!! I, on the other hand, watch the way I eat, exercise every day and get squat. Even when I broke my arm going to work (slipped in the parking lot debarking the employee bus in the snow! no Labor & Industry in the parking lot is the law!!). So what is wrong with this picture? Lack of responsibility that is the problem. Why must I, as a small business owner, pay for someone else's lack of caring for themselves? My backyard almost literally butts up against Boeing. They build the 747's here and guess what - Boeing pays no taxes in our state. Whereas, Joe & I own a one person operation carpet cleaning business and we are being taxed out of business because we are the income bracket supporting welfare and state subsidized health care. Some how it just doesn't seem fair. We are penalized for being healthy and the sick are rewarded with $$$. We take responsibility for our own health and well being, why isn't someone subsidizing my food bill? My gym membership? At least give me a tax credit for what we do. Oh man, I better not go any further - it's only 0430 on Tuesday and I'd hate to taint my day with all this!!! Thanks for letting me vent - Shari _____ Shari, I can hardly stop laughing, I enjoyed your post so much. America's present journey from free enterprise into national socialism began in earnest with passage of the Federal Reserve Act in December 1913 and the income tax to support the Federal Reserve debt (aka, the national debt) in 1915. Ever since that time, income redistribution has become ever more central in government policy. The situation is actually much worse, in my opinion, than you describe. You pay the tax TO THE FEDERAL RESERVE , not to the US Treasury. The Treasury borrows all that it spends in new debt from the Federal Reserve, then pays that money NOT to your neighbor, but to a drug company on her behalf. She is merely an unwitting participant in the largest and possibly the most grotesque collection of medical experiments on human subjects in human history, even going beyond what was done in Auschwitz by Dr. Mengele and his staff in some cases. So it is a direct transfer of wealth, created by virtue of your labor and creativity, from you to a drug company that pays almost no taxes at all. Put this together with my post earlier this morning on Iatrogenic Causes, and you begin to get a pretty grim picture, unfortunately. OTOH, I believe entirely that each of us manifests and creates his/her own reality, and I believe you have the power to transform yours. I have certainly transformed mine in areas similar to those you express. But that is not subject matter for this venue, way OT, I would think. Thanks again for such great morning entertainment! Elchanan -- ------------------------ [ SECURITY NOTICE ] ------------------------ rawfood , rawschool . For your security, vlinfo digitally signed this message on 07 June 2005 at 13:20:28 UTC. Verify this digital signature at http://www.ciphire.com/verify. ------------------- [ CIPHIRE DIGITAL SIGNATURE ] ------------------- Q2lwaGlyZSBTaWcuAVdyYXdmb29kQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbSwgcmF3c2Nob29sQHlha G9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbQB2bGluZm9AZWFydGhsaW5rLm5ldABlbWFpbCBib2R5AHgLAAB8AH wAAAABAAAAHJ+lQngLAACiAgACAAIAAgAgWd+jWXfInHvayeGZWK7egaxIx/Ds85ig0C7 EzQ1Fg5gBAIYEpBOTbs87zkSZHhSIvzVVwfRghtV1X2jI/sjxmdF9bHFZHyM0KCquRq0V xWWP383XiR+vj/J0ECCZjuHNqPg/U2lnRW5k --------------------- [ END DIGITAL SIGNATURE ] --------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Having been one of " thosepeople " that have used the welfare system etc from a foodstamp standpoint My questions is this... When is the US going to realize that we are so far in debt as a country that some of the long term relief could be in our health system and our welfare system... no not to take away.. but to educate or rather re-educate on how we should be eating.. using foodstamps one is required to go to classes to learn what is healthy and how to buy responsibly with the foodstamps.. altho most just buy junk... But even with this small bit of education it isn't clear.... I have had more education in the past few weeks..months following the raw way of life and these groups then I ever learned as a woman with kids out there trying to feed my family with no man. not that the man has anything to do with it.. but still.. the schools are just now starting to show an interest in the foods our children eat. even tho mine are grown.. I do have grandkids and when I can see the schools blaming parents and the children for " being problem children " I want to scream...it is the food fed in school lunch programs that are not good for the kids.. making them hyper and irritating...and the lower income families buying junk... (ok some don't but most do)... food stamps have a restiction that one can not buy toilet paper and soap etc.. but it doesn't have a restriction on sodas, chips, cakes, cookies, crackers... if we were to restict the processed foods then maybe just maybe one or the other would change.. either the workforce wouldget better because these people want the processed foods and need to earn cash to pay for them.. or people would learn to eat good foods... become healthier hence better health reform.. (maybe) But people are so addicted to these things it would be (probably) like taking a drug away from an addict.. OH MY what a world that would be... everyone going cold turkey at once... heavy sigh./...just speaking from the lower income viewpoint here... " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo wrote: Shari Viger [shavig] Tuesday, June 07, 2005 4:27 AM <Rawschool > Rawschool Subject: [Rawschool] sharing resposibilities Elchanan> ask others to pick up the tab This is a subject that is a thorn in my side! Thank you Elchanan! For our family we do without health insurance because we believe in being responsible for our own health and we wouldn't go to the medical community anyway. What really bothers me is the neighbor that shops at the " case " store (COSTCO, Sams, etc...) and brings in cases of non-food, poisons. She is on 12 medications, 150 pounds overweight, depressed, doesn't exercise, you get the picture.... Yet she gets all her medications, counseling, housing, food, & general assistance paid for by the government because she is too depressed to work!!!!! I, on the other hand, watch the way I eat, exercise every day and get squat. Even when I broke my arm going to work (slipped in the parking lot debarking the employee bus in the snow! no Labor & Industry in the parking lot is the law!!). So what is wrong with this picture? Lack of responsibility that is the problem. Why must I, as a small business owner, pay for someone else's lack of caring for themselves? My backyard almost literally butts up against Boeing. They build the 747's here and guess what - Boeing pays no taxes in our state. Whereas, Joe & I own a one person operation carpet cleaning business and we are being taxed out of business because we are the income bracket supporting welfare and state subsidized health care. Some how it just doesn't seem fair. We are penalized for being healthy and the sick are rewarded with $$$. We take responsibility for our own health and well being, why isn't someone subsidizing my food bill? My gym membership? At least give me a tax credit for what we do. Oh man, I better not go any further - it's only 0430 on Tuesday and I'd hate to taint my day with all this!!! Thanks for letting me vent - Shari _____ Shari, I can hardly stop laughing, I enjoyed your post so much. America's present journey from free enterprise into national socialism began in earnest with passage of the Federal Reserve Act in December 1913 and the income tax to support the Federal Reserve debt (aka, the national debt) in 1915. Ever since that time, income redistribution has become ever more central in government policy. The situation is actually much worse, in my opinion, than you describe. You pay the tax TO THE FEDERAL RESERVE , not to the US Treasury. The Treasury borrows all that it spends in new debt from the Federal Reserve, then pays that money NOT to your neighbor, but to a drug company on her behalf. She is merely an unwitting participant in the largest and possibly the most grotesque collection of medical experiments on human subjects in human history, even going beyond what was done in Auschwitz by Dr. Mengele and his staff in some cases. So it is a direct transfer of wealth, created by virtue of your labor and creativity, from you to a drug company that pays almost no taxes at all. Put this together with my post earlier this morning on Iatrogenic Causes, and you begin to get a pretty grim picture, unfortunately. OTOH, I believe entirely that each of us manifests and creates his/her own reality, and I believe you have the power to transform yours. I have certainly transformed mine in areas similar to those you express. But that is not subject matter for this venue, way OT, I would think. Thanks again for such great morning entertainment! Elchanan -- ------------------------ [ SECURITY NOTICE ] ------------------------ rawfood , rawschool . For your security, vlinfo digitally signed this message on 07 June 2005 at 13:20:28 UTC. 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