Sidelights

[Guest guest]

--- Patrick wrote:

> This is not how you come off Rich. You make

> pronouncements about your personal decisions and

> make them universal. That you are unaware of this

> is even more serious.

 

Serious, how do you think it's serious? It's words on a page in the

middle of nowhere for crying out loud. I just reread my last post on

Rich's diet and it's filled with I statements and humility about

myself. I don't think you read it very closely. But even if I do

come across like that to you, I'm a strong writer and that's the way

it is. I feel strong in God's will for myself and that's going to

show itself in everything I say, do or type. When you feel the

energy of God's will in your life it's going to come out in a strong

fashion, that's inevitable. I couldn't back off from being a strong

writer if I wanted to.

 

> > And if you really believe that what

> > Rich Sachs says applies to everyone, then you are

> > naïve at best, and insensitive and arrogant at

> > worst.

>

> I can certainly have an opinion as to what I think

> is

> best for the world. It doesn't affect anyone in any

> way. I don't think it applies to everyone, but I

> think it's a good policy in general.

>

> Rich, your opinion about what is good for the world

> is barely worth the shit you excrete from your raw

> food diet. And what do you mean by policy in

> general? This is more crap Rich. Sorry brother.

>

 

There you go being foul again. Can't you say what you want to

without cursing? I think it's a copout to curse, you just don't want

to think before you type. In case you haven't noticed, opinions

about what's right and wrong is pretty much all that humans are made

of. Your paragraph right there is an opinion of a wrong.

 

" And what do you mean by policy in general? " A raw vegan diet is

what I was referring to.

 

> >

> > Why do you not give plants the same rights as

> > animals? Your crazy notions about killing animals

> > as " sin " could equally be applied to plants as

> > living things.

> >

>

> Plants are indifferent to their death, animals

> aren't.

>

> How do you know the feelings of plants and animals?

> Where do you get such ideas?

 

Rich: If you can't tell the difference between a mindal animal that

demonstrates it does not want to be killed and would rather escape

its death from eating a plant, then I see no reason to try to explain

it to you.

 

> I think you need to do

> more research. Feeling Pain is different than

> having consciousness about death. I would argue

> that you have no idea what you are talking about and

> that have arbitrarily made such judgments.

>

 

I'm not concerned with what the animal feels or thinks, I'm concerned

with the human who should be able to tell that this is wrong.

 

> > Tell your crazy notions about diet to starving

> > people. They would think you are nuts.

> >

>

> Like I said, it doesn't apply to all people in all

> circumstances but if we had less killing and more

> vegetarianism I think the world would be overall

> better for it.

>

> Why?

>

 

For the millionth time, it would improve the environment and the

overall health of people. Even if you feel no effects from it, meat

eating clogs up people's arteries and causes heartattacks much more

so than plant food.

 

And if man stops killing in some ways maybe he'll learn how not to

kill in all ways.

 

> And I'm not talking about the starving people in

> third

> world countries, I'm talking more practically about

> the average day and age we live in the more affluent

> countries.

>

> Why not talk about most of the world Rich, instead

> of just the affluent?

>

 

I am talking about the whole world in general but obviously

circumstances are different everywhere. It's not going to be

practical to always practice vegetarianism depending on the

circumstances. But rather than looking at extremes let's just look

at the average person with a decent job, a house, a car, etc. For

this person it would be generally practical to be a vegetarian if

they chose to be.

 

> > Get real Rich. I find this whole thread to be so

> > selfish and cruel that it makes me wonder if all

> > your synapses are firing correctly.

> >

> Selfish and cruel, sounds a little extreme to me. I

> don't think I'm selfish and cruel. I don't know

> what

> my synapses are doing but I imagine their fine.

>

> I think your overall holier than thou attitude is

> arrogant and selfish, and I'm going to call you on

> it privately.

>

 

Like I said I read my last post on Rich's diet and I think I was very

self-effacing throughout it. I think you need to reread it. But

even if you do see an overall holier than thou attitude that is

arrogant and selfish in me, I don't know what to tell you. I don't

think I am that way and I don't think I speak or type that way. You

can call me on it all day long if you want to. Any criticism of me

is helpful. It'll adjust to some degree how I type.

 

> > I hope you don't wear leather shoes or belts or

> > wallets.

>

> I'm not concerned with anything but food as far as

> animals go. I'll wear or use leather on occasion.

> I

> don't look for it but I don't try to avoid it

> either.

> Take away meat eating and the other issues about

> animals would clear themselves up automatically.

>

> Hypocrite

>

> The only thing that disturbs my mind personally is

> what I eat, so that's what I'm concerned about.

>

> Hypocrite

>

> It's just a thread Pat, it'll pass. But even if it

> didn't I don't think it's anything to get upset

> about.

> I don't think you can really go wrong in God's will

> looking for higher morality as someone understands

> that. Saying I eat raw vegan and believe that sex

> if

> for having children is not a bad thing. There are

> bad

> things in the world, but this isn't one of them.

> Abstaining from something generally cannot create

> the

> havoc that doing something can.

>

> This is more than a thread Rich. This is your

> religion.

 

It's my path to perfection and I believe it will work for me and

that's all I'm concerned with.

 

>

> I love you anyway.

 

And well you should.