LONG POST:High fruit diet TESTIMONIES OF PROBLEMS, IMPORTANT

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Hi Don, Vegigran, Poppy and others...

 

and " top o' the morn' to y'all " <== gotta combine a little Irish

with a little Southern there..and no offense meant to anyone!

 

I'd read a " few " of the testimonials; I, frankly, didn't find them

helpful. And when I got the the ones from Dr. Ralph Cinque....(I

think that was the one...), I'd had about enough..

 

I'm, in general, looking for experiences about what people are

finding that " works " , meaning is producing positive results for them,

not drama and criticism about what they found that doesn't work. I'd

much rather choose to be on the " working " path, vs. the " non-working "

path.

 

I agree with Poppy: we each have to see/find what works for us, and

for our bodies. and whoever had mentioned about the

cleansing " crises " reactions, etc..etc.., I sometimes can't tell when

I'm reading anecdotal stories, at what point in that person's life

that " snapshot " was taken. I normally don't have enough information

to be able to form an intelligent opinion.

 

re: the 30 bananas a day, I liked the comment...(so did Bobo! lol!)

that'd probably be like 3,540 cal (from Nutridiary), if the bananas

were medium, about 7-7 7/8 " , or about 118 g. each..meaning just under

four of them per pound. That's way more calories than I need per

day, although the calornutrient ratio comes out 92/4/4, with 36.5

grams of Protein, and ~537% of daily vit. C RDA, etc..etc...not

horrible...I did *much* worse yesterday, left to my own devices, and

today's a brand new day.

 

re: some of the earlier comments/posts about apple cider vinegar, and

something else suggesting to " balance " the pH of the body, I always

like to think about what that means, and then go to one of my

reference sources, and get some additional insight, already knowing

for myself that we appear to be " meddling " in what should be the

body's job (I'm convinced that my body is much smarter than I am...it

knows way more than I'm ever going to know..)since one of my strong

beliefs is that : we can only create Health by Healthy living.

 

Without going " nuts " (no pun intended..lol!), I quickly found the

following thoughts helpful to me:

 

start quote " When we refer to alkaline foods, we mean foods that

leave an alkaline 'ash' after metabolism - fresh fruits and

vegetables, primarily, as well as some nuts and seeds. Ingestion of

animal foods results in many acids, most notably uric acid, sulphuric

acid and phosphoric acid. The presence of these acids causes the

body's buffer systems (those organs that maintain body pH) to work

extra hard, whereas the consumption of fresh fruits, vegetables, nuts

and seeds does not overwork the body.

The body's major buffer organs are the kidneys and the lungs. "

(quick aside here: when I was ~8 years old, I, Bob, was hospitalized

with acute nephritis (sp?) - kidney " disease " ; ever since I've been

old enough to know better, I watch for things that put a heavy load

on my kidneys, in an unkind way...and I've been drinking distilled

water for over 10 years..it helps me...)

 

and finishing up with my reference check, " Alkalosis may result from

lung or kidney impairment or from overbreathing, but it does not

result from consumption of too many alkaline-forming foods, as there

is no such thing as to many alkaline-forming foods. These foods are

our normal dietary and they always contain a proper balanace of base

(alkaline) and acid minerals. Alkalosis may occur, however, if

antacid preparations are frequently taken. " end quote

 

source: one of my recent " usuals " - pp.305-6 of Life Science Course.

 

re: apple cider, and others " acidizing " (not even sure that's a

word..) things..apple cider vinegar doesn't meet *any* of my

definitions of a " food " for me...it's a manufactured acid, and all of

my experiences suggest to me that I don't need to be putting

any " acids " in my system.

my quick tests remain: how does it look? not appealing..looks a

little like urine, with some mother gunk floating in the bottom....

how does it smell? hmm...not good to me... it doesn't pass this

test, so I'd probably not taste it. how does it taste? awful...not

good, not sweet...yuck... If I put some of this in my mouth, and

swish it around, I most feel like spitting it out...

can I make a meal of it? no...etc..etc..

I actually consider apple cider vinegar to be a " poison " for me and

my body. Others are, naturally, entitled to different opinions.

For me, this isn't about being right or wrong, just what we each have

found, or are finding, that works for us, and/or others. I'm not

aware of any " apple cider vinegar " trees, plants, bushes, etc...etc..

It doesn't seem " natural " to me, or, as found in Nature.

 

As far as all the things about why some can thrive on a high raw

foods diet, and some cannot, I'm not sure how to answer that. My

experience and observation has shown that most, if not all, people

can, do and will thrive on such a diet (recognizing that food is only

one of the 19 minimum requirements for optimal health...more on that

in a separate post, since I think I'd mentioned earlier that sometime

I'd post one just about that...) and yes, I'm firmly convinced that

we, as a people, and especially Americans (recognizing that this

board can have an international flair...) are raised/conditioned to

" treat " symptoms; with the symptoms typically being the body just

doing its job: coordinating the something like 125 cells, in perfect

unison. We have, for all of our lives, been inundated

with " conditioning " about the medical model - that " something " , some

foreigh agent, causes the symptoms, and then we wage war attempting

to " cure " the something, the new name. (quick aside here: I have a

STRONG anti-medical/medicine model bias!) That's why the medical

wars/the cures never work, and never will - they're a myth,

propogated by the medical/pharmaceutical communites; commercial,

profit-driven. Antibiotics: multi-billion dollar business - with

more sold to the livestock industry, than to people..etc..etc..ad

nauseam.

Soooo..if we're judging the " success " of a particular diet/lifestyle

against this incorrect mental wiring about symptoms, I can see how

we'd come up with " it doesn't work " . One of the keys for me in

lookng at it, is " how toxic " is/was the individual when they started

this new diet...what had they really been doing before?

Now, it is very possible to have caused enough damage, through faulty

lifestyle, that the body cannont *ever* recover. Meaning that we

have caused permanent and irrepairable damage to one or more key

organs. The body will always keep doing its job: repairing itself

when possible, and when not possible to achieve the desired repair

with available nutrients/ingredients, will begin to rob from other

body organs, shutting them down completely if it has to, protecting

the brain to the very end. So we know, for example, that when people

develop Alzhemier's, for example [my dad essentially died from this -

actually from a fall and a blood clot in the brain, but he had stage

2 Alzheimer's. Ok...one very quick story...I'm visiting my dad about

a year before his death, and we're chatting, and he tells me that his

doctor has told him that if he doesn't stop drinking alcohol, he'll

die. I said, " Dad...they've been telling you that for years..., and

you've chosen to ignore that advice for years.. " and my dad, with

tears in his big, stoic, Irish eyes, replies: " yes, but I never

knew the price would be this high.. " ] that the body has exhauted just

about every other possibility it can think of: it is now depositing

toxins in its last possible, and most important, storehouse: the

brain.

 

My belief system works around that disease is not mysterious, but

that it's progressive -- it will go through its seven stages (think

I'd posted about those earlier..), with the end stage being cancer.

And that if we start to become healthier, it will begin to " reverse "

the steps/stages..and then go back through many of the other stages,

creating what can be awful " symptom " reactions. Dr. Bernard Jensen,

DC, and many othes have written extensively on this.

**end of soapbox...**

 

and all of this, is just my opinion..offering my honest

thoughts...and obviously, as has been recently discussed, anyone else

is entitled to a different opinion. (and we've all heard how

opinions compare to anatomy, yes? lol!)

 

 

On the flip side, we all have *tons* of real life data about diets

that do *not* work: especially the SAD, which is what I'm assuming

draws many of us to this board.

 

I'm going to go do a quick post ont the 19 factor elements.

 

Have a great day.

 

all the best,

 

Bob