RE: pH as a measure of physiological health: Acid-Alkaline Balance in Urine [s]

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jeannie_rose_13 [jeannie_rose_13] Wednesday, April 27,

2005 9:20 AM [Raw Food] Acid-Alkaline Balance in Urine

Hey all, just wanted some thoughts, ideas, opinions, anecdotes,

suggestions, etc. in regards to this. For the last three days I've

been measuring my pH levels (with the stix from pH-ion.com), and my

saliva levels have been normal (about 7.0-7.5), however my urine

levels have been higher (about 8.0-9.0). I test about three times

throughout each day. According to their little color-coded gauge on

the box, this is too alkaline and " unhealthy " over the long-term.

 

In regards to what I'm eating, it's been bananas in the morning (3-6,

depending upon hunger), two oranges or two apples followed by celery

or mixed greens for lunch, then a banana or two for an afternoon

snack, then romaine, celery, or mixed greens for dinner. I may eat

another banana or two in the evening if I get munchy.

 

I'm aware it hasn't been long-term yet, and am wondering if I should

continue to be concerned about it. I know acid-alkaline balance is

important for body functioning, however, I don't KNOW what

the " proper number " is for urine, and everything I've read online

states that urine and saliva should be about the same at slightly

above 7.0.

 

What do you guys think? Should I start to add in a bit more acid-

forming foods to balance it out? Should I wait it out to see if it

balances itself? Should I not be concerned at all because the whole

pH number theory is ridiculous? I'm obviously trying to be open-

minded about this. I will be patient, if that's all I need to do.

If this is cause for any concern, then I can be concerned also.

 

Thanks, and I hope everyone is doin' what they're doin' with style

today... )

 

Jeannie Rose

_____

Hi Jeannie, I've read your message above and also Bob's response. First, you

are very smart to have flagged this, it could mean nothing but increased

cleansing in your body, or it could mean more. Following are first, some

background information, and second, some questions and suggestions for you.

 

This whole idea of using pH as an indicator of physiological activity goes

back to a French scientist named Bechamp. He was a contemporary of Louis

Pasteur. Unfortunately, Pasteur's " germ theory " won out in the medical

community from that day to this, even though Pasteur himself recanted and

said it wasn't so.

 

For those in the group who may be unfamiliar, pH stand for " potential for

hydrogen " and offers us a scale for measuring whether a substance is acid or

base (alkaline), and how strongly so. The scale runs from 0-14, so 7 is

neutral. Anything above 7 is considered alkaline, anything below 7 is

considered acid.

 

The 0-14 pH scale is logarithmic, not linear, in nature. This means, for

example, that a substance with a pH of 5 is 10 times more acidic than a

substance with a pH of 6. So the distance from 6 to 7 or from 7 to 8 is

10:1, and the distance from 6 to 8 is 100:1. That is, a 6 is 100 times more

acidic than an 8. Therefore, a movement in salivary or urinary pH of even a

few tenths of a point is significant.

 

Interpreting your readings is another matter. We need more information, so

here are some questions:

 

1. Does the pH paper you are using measure in 0.5 or 0.2 increments?

 

2. For how many days have you been measuring, and what is the measurement

EACH day?

 

3. When each day are you measuring? Hopefully, the moment you awaken, before

you put anything (even water) into your mouth, otherwise the salivary

measurements may be sufficiently inconsistent as to be useless. WRT urine,

hopefully very first urine of the day.

 

WHY first thing each day? The body cleanses all night, and the first

elimination of the day represents the output of that cleansing. So it

provides a good indicator of our excremental pH at its " worst. "

 

4. How are you measuring -- I mean EXACTLY how, please be quite graphic in

your response.

 

One thing is certain, you do NOT want to add acidity, if anything go the

other way, replace the oranges with more bananas for a couple of days.

Increase your greens to the maximum level you can possibly imagine eating,

then a little more. Choose tender greens, lettuces, and celery, not the

harsher greens, such as kale, chard, etc. Avoid all acid fruits for a few

days -- citrus, kiwi, berries, etc. Avoid nuts, seeds, oils, coconut meat

(coconut water okay). Limit or even eliminate avocado consumption for a bit.

 

 

Also, AND PLEASE DON'T DO THIS YET, I suggest that you prepare for a

possible 3-7 day fast, where you could really rest deeply if needed. You'd

need lots of water in the house, your schedule set to nearly zero, and

probably a bit of companionship. But let's wait and see.

 

WHY? Elevated urine pH for any period of time indicates hyperacidosis in

the body, and the liver is responding by producing ammonia. We need to get

past that cleansing AND build up the body's alkaline mineral resources if

this continues.

 

 

 

 

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Lots of good questions, E - here goes...

 

>Hi Jeannie, I've read your message above and also Bob's response. First, you

are very smart to have flagged this, it could mean nothing but increased

cleansing in your body, or it could mean more. Following are first, some

background information, and second, some questions and suggestions for you.

 

**Thanks! )

 

>1. Does the pH paper you are using measure in 0.5 or 0.2 increments?

 

**0.25 increments, actually, except in the higher alkaline levels, just 0.5 from

7.5 to 9.0.

 

>2. For how many days have you been measuring, and what is the measurement

EACH day?

 

**Well, I didn't write them down or anything. Today is the fourth day - day 1

was about 7.5-8.0, day two was 8.0-8.5, yesterday was very near 9.0, and this

morning's first urine was about 8.5. I noticed that my saliva measurements were

changing slightly, after each measurement, depending on whether I had just eaten

or not (all ranged from about 6.5-7.5), but my urine stayed pretty much the same

all day, each day.

 

>3. When each day are you measuring? Hopefully, the moment you awaken, before

you put anything (even water) into your mouth, otherwise the salivary

measurements may be sufficiently inconsistent as to be useless. WRT urine,

hopefully very first urine of the day.

 

**Yes, first morning urine, after lunch, and again sometime before dinner -

haven't tested just before bed.

 

>4. How are you measuring -- I mean EXACTLY how, please be quite graphic in

your response.

 

**No problem. Upon waking, I stumble weary-eyed to the bathroom (usually by way

of greeting the door frame with my shoulder, cuz I'm just a clutz like that

first thing), take a stick out of the box (which is constructed with two tiny,

colored, rectangular testing pads at one end which are faced downward in the

box, so I am able to take a stick out without possibility of contamination),

then I sit to release the urine and put the stick into the urine at midflow. I

just let the urine touch the pads of the stick and then bring the stick up to

rest on the counter with the tested end hanging off the edge. I allow the stick

to sit for 12-15 seconds while I finish and then pick the stick up by its white

handle to compare it to the color-coded indicator boxes on the package. At no

time do I touch the testing pads myself or allow them to touch anything else - I

am very careful about this (even in my first thing, stumbly, clutzy state).

 

**For testing saliva, I remove the stick from the package by the white end

without the pads, allow a small puddle of saliva to collect on my tongue, dab

the stick onto the collected puddle, then rest on the counter as in the other

test. I then close the box, allowing the stick to rest for the same amount of

time, after which I compare the results by the same method described above.

 

>One thing is certain, you do NOT want to add acidity, if anything go the

other way, replace the oranges with more bananas for a couple of days.

Increase your greens to the maximum level you can possibly imagine eating,

then a little more. Choose tender greens, lettuces, and celery, not the

harsher greens, such as kale, chard, etc. Avoid all acid fruits for a few

days -- citrus, kiwi, berries, etc. Avoid nuts, seeds, oils, coconut meat

(coconut water okay). Limit or even eliminate avocado consumption for a bit.

 

**K. Am not consuming nuts or seeds or oils or avos or coconuts at this time,

and I will have to go and buy more celery and tender greens - all I have in the

fridge is collard greens right now. I will stay off the oranges and eat more

nannas. Are apples alright? I assume so.

 

>Also, AND PLEASE DON'T DO THIS YET, I suggest that you prepare for a

possible 3-7 day fast, where you could really rest deeply if needed. You'd

need lots of water in the house, your schedule set to nearly zero, and

probably a bit of companionship. But let's wait and see.

 

**Hmmm... I do have finals coming up in a week and a half. This weekend I'm

off to Disneyworld (yay!), and upon returning and for the entirety of next week

I've devoted my time to studying for them. Finals are on Monday, 9 May, and

after that, I have nothing to do for a couple of weeks except sit, have fun, and

enjoy the sun. That would be the most opportune time (and of course, the body

always waits until the most opportune moment, right? ), so hopefully I

wouldn't have to start immediately. Companionship is never a problem with my

beau around, and he'd be more than happy to go water shopping for me.

 

>WHY? Elevated urine pH for any period of time indicates hyperacidosis in

the body, and the liver is responding by producing ammonia. We need to get

past that cleansing AND build up the body's alkaline mineral resources if

this continues.

 

**Interesting.

 

**Thank you kindly,

 

jr

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeannie, this is a great response, thanks for answering all my questions

in such detail. You have NO idea how unusual that is (or perhaps you DO know

:)

 

More questions:

 

1. Does the pH paper stop at 9? You have approached a reading of 9 at least

once, that is quite high, definitely indicative of an ammonia response.

 

2. You wrote in your first message describing what you are eating. Does that

pretty much summarize a full day's food, and is it typical of what you have

been eating lately? (Laurie is working in the background on a nutritional

analysis, so we can really turn this into a learning experience. The more

complete the info, the more useful the analysis.) Any chance you could tell

us what you've eaten over several days with reasonable accuracy?

 

3. How much water would you say you are drinking daily, when during the day?

For example, do you find yourself particularly thirsty when you awaken

and/or late in the evening? Any beverages other than water?

 

4. Have you experienced " energy " problems over time, or is that just

occurring right now? If over time, have you ever been diagnosed with

hyper/hypoglycemia, diabetes (or pre-diabetic), chronic or other fatigue,

any form of anemia, any form of parasites? Any known endocrine problems

(adrenal, pancreas, etc.)?

 

5. Do you notice somewhat predictable energy ups-and-downs on a daily (more

or less) basis? For example, do you tend to feel tired every day at

mid-afternoon?

 

6, Have you had any chronic or recent (last year or so) problems with UTIs

or yeast infections?

 

7. Based upon your own perceptions (obviously , would you say your periods

tend to be " heavy, " " typical, " etc? Also, how long does the bleeding last,

is it typically on schedule or otherwise?

 

8. Do you experience noticeable emotional swings around your periods? Energy

changes?

 

9, You mentioned in another email that your urination has become more

frequent, with less volume, if I remember correctly. It that just during the

past two days or so?

How frequent at this point?

 

10. Have you noticed any changes during the past several days in your bowel

output -- frequency, volume, color, consistency, timing?

 

11. What color is your urine lately? (nearly clear, slightly yellow, darker

yellow but clear, cloudy, etc.)?

 

Want to get water into you, fruits and veggies are the best source. Apples

are probably okay, do you like pears, mangos, grapes. papaya, guava? Also

veggie-fruits are fine if you feel like eating them -- zucchini, cucumber,

etc. Virtually ALL tropical fruits are good for you right now, except

perhaps pineapple. Are there any melons available in your area now, even if

not organic? (Ask for not sprayed if you can.) Most melons are good for you

right now, particularly watermelon and probably honeydew. Might stay away

from cantaloupe. Avoid the high-acid fruits -- citrus, tomatoes, sour

grapes, berries, kiwi.

 

Let's not erase from this email, let's just let it grow for now, okay?

Thanks,

Elchanan

 

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

jeannie_rose_13

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:22 PM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] pH as a measure of physiological health:

Acid-Alkaline Balance in Urine

 

 

Lots of good questions, E - here goes...

 

>Hi Jeannie, I've read your message above and also Bob's response. First,

you

are very smart to have flagged this, it could mean nothing but increased

cleansing in your body, or it could mean more. Following are first, some

background information, and second, some questions and suggestions for you.

 

**Thanks! )

 

>1. Does the pH paper you are using measure in 0.5 or 0.2 increments?

 

**0.25 increments, actually, except in the higher alkaline levels, just 0.5

from 7.5 to 9.0.

 

>2. For how many days have you been measuring, and what is the measurement

EACH day?

 

**Well, I didn't write them down or anything. Today is the fourth day - day

1 was about 7.5-8.0, day two was 8.0-8.5, yesterday was very near 9.0, and

this morning's first urine was about 8.5. I noticed that my saliva

measurements were changing slightly, after each measurement, depending on

whether I had just eaten or not (all ranged from about 6.5-7.5), but my

urine stayed pretty much the same all day, each day.

 

>3. When each day are you measuring? Hopefully, the moment you awaken,

before

you put anything (even water) into your mouth, otherwise the salivary

measurements may be sufficiently inconsistent as to be useless. WRT urine,

hopefully very first urine of the day.

 

**Yes, first morning urine, after lunch, and again sometime before dinner -

haven't tested just before bed.

 

>4. How are you measuring -- I mean EXACTLY how, please be quite graphic in

your response.

 

**No problem. Upon waking, I stumble weary-eyed to the bathroom (usually by

way of greeting the door frame with my shoulder, cuz I'm just a clutz like

that first thing), take a stick out of the box (which is constructed with

two tiny, colored, rectangular testing pads at one end which are faced

downward in the box, so I am able to take a stick out without possibility of

contamination), then I sit to release the urine and put the stick into the

urine at midflow. I just let the urine touch the pads of the stick and then

bring the stick up to rest on the counter with the tested end hanging off

the edge. I allow the stick to sit for 12-15 seconds while I finish and

then pick the stick up by its white handle to compare it to the color-coded

indicator boxes on the package. At no time do I touch the testing pads

myself or allow them to touch anything else - I am very careful about this

(even in my first thing, stumbly, clutzy state).

 

**For testing saliva, I remove the stick from the package by the white end

without the pads, allow a small puddle of saliva to collect on my tongue,

dab the stick onto the collected puddle, then rest on the counter as in the

other test. I then close the box, allowing the stick to rest for the same

amount of time, after which I compare the results by the same method

described above.

 

>One thing is certain, you do NOT want to add acidity, if anything go the

other way, replace the oranges with more bananas for a couple of days.

Increase your greens to the maximum level you can possibly imagine eating,

then a little more. Choose tender greens, lettuces, and celery, not the

harsher greens, such as kale, chard, etc. Avoid all acid fruits for a few

days -- citrus, kiwi, berries, etc. Avoid nuts, seeds, oils, coconut meat

(coconut water okay). Limit or even eliminate avocado consumption for a bit.

 

**K. Am not consuming nuts or seeds or oils or avos or coconuts at this

time, and I will have to go and buy more celery and tender greens - all I

have in the fridge is collard greens right now. I will stay off the oranges

and eat more nannas. Are apples alright? I assume so.

 

>Also, AND PLEASE DON'T DO THIS YET, I suggest that you prepare for a

possible 3-7 day fast, where you could really rest deeply if needed. You'd

need lots of water in the house, your schedule set to nearly zero, and

probably a bit of companionship. But let's wait and see.

 

**Hmmm... I do have finals coming up in a week and a half. This weekend

I'm off to Disneyworld (yay!), and upon returning and for the entirety of

next week I've devoted my time to studying for them. Finals are on Monday,

9 May, and after that, I have nothing to do for a couple of weeks except

sit, have fun, and enjoy the sun. That would be the most opportune time

(and of course, the body always waits until the most opportune moment,

right? ), so hopefully I wouldn't have to start immediately.

Companionship is never a problem with my beau around, and he'd be more than

happy to go water shopping for me.

 

>WHY? Elevated urine pH for any period of time indicates hyperacidosis in

the body, and the liver is responding by producing ammonia. We need to get

past that cleansing AND build up the body's alkaline mineral resources if

this continues.

 

**Interesting.

 

**Thank you kindly,

 

jr