RE: Succeeding on RF: Low-fat the way to go! (WAS: Food...: Limiting high-wat foods) [s]

[Guest guest]

In all fairness to the newbies, Elchanan (of which I

am one!!) I think it should be mentioned that some

long-term raw fooders do quite well eating a higer

percentage of fat in their diet. I've been reading the

Paul Nison books Raw Knowledge (I and II) and in it he

features several longterm rawfooders who eat nuts and

seeds daily. Some also eat grains.

 

Also, Storm Talifero of thegardendiet.com eats nuts

daily. He has been raw for 30 years or so and is the

picture of perfect health and vitality.

 

There are so many different philosophies out there as

to which is the best way to eat raw that I think

newcomers at least ought to be aware of them, then

they can find what is right for their own body.

_____

Hi Swing and all,

As a " newbie, " I encourage you to explore questions with much greater depth

and to develop a much keener and fuller awareness about what you are

actually reading or observing. Really turn your innate sense of curiosity

back " on. " Equivocation is the opposite of taking full responsibility for

one's own well-being. If you just look at what different people say and sort

of casually assume they are are of equal value, then you have set aside your

own sense of curiosity, you have abandoned yourself.

 

With respect to high-fat foods, first, ask about the QUANTITIES eaten, not

just simply that someone " eats nuts. " It is my understanding that Storm may

eat a few nuts, but that these contribute only minimally to his total

intake. Ask him, if you wish!! I have never done so, this is just " what I

have heard. " Heck, I eat a few nuts, too, but not every day, and not in any

quantity. And I CERTAINLY do not mix nuts and sweet fruits, as in many RF

pie and pastry recipes. At this point in my own journey, doing so would

simply put me to sleep.

 

Next, I suggest that you (and others) invest some serious time, relearn how

to look at the human body and physique. Observe carefully. Spend some time

on classical Greek art, on the work of Michelangelo and de Vinci, these are

people who truly understood the human form. As I suggested the other day,

look at old photographs of lean, well-muscled people from 50-60 years ago,

and compare their muscles and physiques with those of our own

contemporaries. The difference in quality, clarity, and definition, is often

amazing!

 

Then, consider that ZERO athletes would consciously choose to embark upon

any sort of high-fat diet (at least, not if they want to achieve any sort of

success), nor upon any diet high in bulky foods such as nuts and seeds. They

simply couldn't perform if they did! (And they all know this.) Since these

are the people with the highest energy output, observing their habits in

this regard is instructive.

 

Look back that the testimonials of the more athletic individuals in our own

midst, such as Sean Dunaway a couple of days ago. Look at what Lynne in

England has been writing about her husband, Nick, who is quite athletic.

These are the people who have more comprehensive health programs, not simply

a high-quality diet. Health arises from a combination of diet, physical

activity, sunshine, fresh air, sleep/rest, etc. The moment you think in

terms of health, not just diet, you can only go one direction. You simply

cannot engage 5-7 days per week in sustained and/or reasonably intense

physical activity on a high-fat diet, and you cannot ever really be healthy

without engaging regularly and frequently in at least some reasonable level

of physical activity. Read the story and the work of Dr. Ruth Heidrich, 6

(?) -time iron woman champion IN HER 70s, and a high-fruit, low-fat RF.

You'll be amazed at the real extent of human potential, you will feel

inspired.

 

There are several well-known RF teachers who have books, DVDs, etc. on the

market and who teach all manner of high-fat recipes. These individuals may

appear to be " doing quite well, " as you put it, UNTIL you look closely at

their body composition. You need no measuring instruments, you can see

clearly with your own eyes. Really look at their arms and legs, and you'll

see what I mean. There may be muscles and such, but look at the clarity of

the muscle definition. If the muscles appear more bulky than clearly and

crisply defined, then there is excess water-weight and body fat, and you

know with virtual certainty that the person is consuming significantly

excessive dietary fat -- ANYONE who looks like this is consuming excess fat

and probably salt, as well.

 

Also, look under their eyes, look at their faces. Inquire about their

athleticism -- find out who can hike 15 miles uphill or run up the side of a

mountain and recover (return to normal pulse and respiration) within

seconds. My dear friend, Lemo Lemessy, is a professional musician and a long

time high-fruit/low-fat RF. He is also one of the fittest people I have ever

met (even compared with many athletes). Lemo tells of an exercise buddy, who

plays for a well-known professional sports team here in the SF bay area.

They run full-speed sprints up a steep hill (the kind that would leave most

of us standing at the starting line). The buddy is faster, as is to be

expected. (It's his job!) His reflexes, agility, response time, etc. are all

amazing. But 100% of the time, Lemo's pulse and respiration return to normal

MUCH more quickly. And at the end of the workout, the buddy is exhausted,

Lemo is not. The larger observation: the buddy may be " fitter, " but Lemo is

healthier!!

 

So it depends what you are seeking. If you want OPTIMAL health, energy,

vitality, clarity, focus, etc., then you MUST choose a low-fat program.

There is simply no other way, biochemically speaking, to achieve such

results. On the other hand, if you want to " do quite well, " whatever that

means to you, AND if you are willing NEVER to experience the fullness of

your own potential, eat another way! It's really that simple. I'm not saying

that eating a higher-fat diet will kill you or cause any big diseases, only

that it will slow you down in more ways than you can imagine -- and I both

invite and challenge you to experience the difference for yourself!!

 

Best to all,

Elchanan

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for your response.

 

I was not suggesting that anyone should eat a high-fat

diet. What I was saying is that people's bodies are

different and some might do just fine eating a higher

percentage of fat than what others might be

comfortable with. What I was basically saying is that

people shouldn't just take raw food gurus at their

word, they should also experiment with their own

bodies to see what works for them.

 

And I wholeheartedly agree that there's a lot more to

health than diet.

 

swing

 

--- " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo

wrote:

 

> In all fairness to the newbies, Elchanan (of which I

> am one!!) I think it should be mentioned that some

> long-term raw fooders do quite well eating a higer

> percentage of fat in their diet. I've been reading

> the

> Paul Nison books Raw Knowledge (I and II) and in it

> he

> features several longterm rawfooders who eat nuts

> and

> seeds daily. Some also eat grains.

>

> Also, Storm Talifero of thegardendiet.com eats nuts

> daily. He has been raw for 30 years or so and is the

> picture of perfect health and vitality.

>

> There are so many different philosophies out there

> as

> to which is the best way to eat raw that I think

> newcomers at least ought to be aware of them, then

> they can find what is right for their own body.

> _____

> Hi Swing and all,

> As a " newbie, " I encourage you to explore questions

> with much greater depth

> and to develop a much keener and fuller awareness

> about what you are

> actually reading or observing. Really turn your

> innate sense of curiosity

> back " on. " Equivocation is the opposite of taking

> full responsibility for

> one's own well-being. If you just look at what

> different people say and sort

> of casually assume they are are of equal value, then

> you have set aside your

> own sense of curiosity, you have abandoned yourself.

>

>

> With respect to high-fat foods, first, ask about the

> QUANTITIES eaten, not

> just simply that someone " eats nuts. " It is my

> understanding that Storm may

> eat a few nuts, but that these contribute only

> minimally to his total

> intake. Ask him, if you wish!! I have never done so,

> this is just " what I

> have heard. " Heck, I eat a few nuts, too, but not

> every day, and not in any

> quantity. And I CERTAINLY do not mix nuts and sweet

> fruits, as in many RF

> pie and pastry recipes. At this point in my own

> journey, doing so would

> simply put me to sleep.

>

> Next, I suggest that you (and others) invest some

> serious time, relearn how

> to look at the human body and physique. Observe

> carefully. Spend some time

> on classical Greek art, on the work of Michelangelo

> and de Vinci, these are

> people who truly understood the human form. As I

> suggested the other day,

> look at old photographs of lean, well-muscled people

> from 50-60 years ago,

> and compare their muscles and physiques with those

> of our own

> contemporaries. The difference in quality, clarity,

> and definition, is often

> amazing!

>

> Then, consider that ZERO athletes would consciously

> choose to embark upon

> any sort of high-fat diet (at least, not if they

> want to achieve any sort of

> success), nor upon any diet high in bulky foods such

> as nuts and seeds. They

> simply couldn't perform if they did! (And they all

> know this.) Since these

> are the people with the highest energy output,

> observing their habits in

> this regard is instructive.

>

> Look back that the testimonials of the more athletic

> individuals in our own

> midst, such as Sean Dunaway a couple of days ago.

> Look at what Lynne in

> England has been writing about her husband, Nick,

> who is quite athletic.

> These are the people who have more comprehensive

> health programs, not simply

> a high-quality diet. Health arises from a

> combination of diet, physical

> activity, sunshine, fresh air, sleep/rest, etc. The

> moment you think in

> terms of health, not just diet, you can only go one

> direction. You simply

> cannot engage 5-7 days per week in sustained and/or

> reasonably intense

> physical activity on a high-fat diet, and you cannot

> ever really be healthy

> without engaging regularly and frequently in at

> least some reasonable level

> of physical activity. Read the story and the work of

> Dr. Ruth Heidrich, 6

> (?) -time iron woman champion IN HER 70s, and a

> high-fruit, low-fat RF.

> You'll be amazed at the real extent of human

> potential, you will feel

> inspired.

>

> There are several well-known RF teachers who have

> books, DVDs, etc. on the

> market and who teach all manner of high-fat recipes.

> These individuals may

> appear to be " doing quite well, " as you put it,

> UNTIL you look closely at

> their body composition. You need no measuring

> instruments, you can see

> clearly with your own eyes. Really look at their

> arms and legs, and you'll

> see what I mean. There may be muscles and such, but

> look at the clarity of

> the muscle definition. If the muscles appear more

> bulky than clearly and

> crisply defined, then there is excess water-weight

> and body fat, and you

> know with virtual certainty that the person is

> consuming significantly

> excessive dietary fat -- ANYONE who looks like this

> is consuming excess fat

> and probably salt, as well.

>

> Also, look under their eyes, look at their faces.

> Inquire about their

> athleticism -- find out who can hike 15 miles uphill

> or run up the side of a

> mountain and recover (return to normal pulse and

> respiration) within

> seconds. My dear friend, Lemo Lemessy, is a

> professional musician and a long

> time high-fruit/low-fat RF. He is also one of the

> fittest people I have ever

> met (even compared with many athletes). Lemo tells

> of an exercise buddy, who

> plays for a well-known professional sports team here

> in the SF bay area.

> They run full-speed sprints up a steep hill (the

> kind that would leave most

> of us standing at the starting line). The buddy is

> faster, as is to be

> expected. (It's his job!) His reflexes, agility,

> response time, etc. are all

> amazing. But 100% of the time, Lemo's pulse and

> respiration return to normal

> MUCH more quickly. And at the end of the workout,

> the buddy is exhausted,

> Lemo is not. The larger observation: the buddy may

> be " fitter, " but Lemo is

> healthier!!

>

> So it depends what you are seeking. If you want

> OPTIMAL health, energy,

> vitality, clarity, focus, etc., then you MUST choose

> a low-fat program.

> There is simply no other way, biochemically

> speaking, to achieve such

> results. On the other hand, if you want to " do quite

> well, " whatever that

> means to you, AND if you are willing NEVER to

> experience the fullness of

> your own potential, eat another way! It's really

> that simple. I'm not saying

> that eating a higher-fat diet will kill you or cause

> any big diseases, only

> that it will slow you down in more ways than you can

> imagine -- and I both

> invite and challenge you to experience the

> difference for yourself!!

>

> Best to all,

> Elchanan

>