Guest guest Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Vegigran writes: Hi Elchanan, I just read an interesting article in our local newspaper this morning. The article was " Excess fluids dangerous for runners " . I'll try to summarize the article. It says after years of telling athletes to drink as much liquid as possible to avoid dehydration, some doctors are now saying that drinking too much during intense exercise poses a far greater health risk. They took blood samples after the race on the ones that drank so much that they had " hyponatremia " , or abnormally low blood sodium levels, which slowed them way down. As more slow runners entered long races, doctors began seeing athletes stumbling into medical tents, nauseated, groggy, barely coherent and with their blood severely diluted. Some died on the spot or in the hospital. During intense exercise, the kidneys cannot excrete excess water, but as people keep drinking the extra water moves into their cells, including brain cells. The engorged brain cells, with no room to expand, press against the skull and can compress the brain stem, which controls vital functions like breathing. The results can be fatal. Everyone becomes dehydrated when they race, but not one death in an athlete from dehydration in competitive race in the whole history of running, but on the other hand, people have become sick and died from drinking too much. Hyponatremia can be treated with a small volume of highly concentrated salt solution given intravenously and can save a patient's life by pulling water out of swollen brain cells. NOW.....isn't this contradictory what natural hygiene believes that the cells hold on to water to prevent the caustic effects of the SALT? Vegigran _____ Hi Vegigran, First, GREAT job summarizing the article you read! And GREAT question, thanks!!! Everything in your summary seems accurate, everything you reported has actually happened, just as you have described. But the story the reporter tells tell is incomplete (almost always the case), and therefore the interpretation is incorrect. Further, I see one misunderstanding somewhere between what I (or perhaps another hygiene person) wrote and what you heard. So let's try and clarify together. Cells do not " hold onto water to prevent the caustic effects of the salt, " normal cells do not, as a rule " hold onto " anything at all. They use what they need and either store or discard the rest. In fact, the opposite is the case, the body PULLS water from every cell in order to dilute the salt, then stores this brine, largely under the skin, until the salt can be safely removed. This can lead to flabbiness, blotchiness, etc. over time. In other words, in ALL cases the body's response to salt is the same: water is drawn from everywhere to dilute the salt. Now in the case of these runners who drank too much water, the salt does save their lives in the moment, as the body pulls water to dilute and eventually eliminates the salt. But this does not mean that the body METABOLIZES the salt taken by these superhydrated athletes, only that the body dilutes the salt in the " normal " way. It is widely believed that the taking of salt " replaces lost electrolytes, " but the body has not " lost " the sodium. Instead, the sodium has merely become inaccessible to the cells because it is farther away from them, quite literally, and less concentrated. This upsets the electrical balance (sodium-potassium balance) of every cell in the body and impairs systemwide functions, even leading to death in some cases. (This is a more technical topic involving how cells are powered, please let me know if interested.) When we add salt, the body redirects excess water toward the incoming salt, there is no substantive replacement of electrolytes. This redirecting of water is an absolutely normal metabolic response, entirely in alignment with the laws of physics and of Nature. So when these superhydrated athletes " take salt, " the body redirects the excess water to dilute the salt and then begins flushing. As the excess water is drawn away from the cells, the electrolyte balance throughout the body gradually returns to a state similar to that preceding the act of superhydration. (Note that I did NOT say that the body returns the electrolyte balance to " normal. " It is doubtful, in such people, that the electrolyte balance was biologically " normal " to begin with, given all the self-abuse that most contemporary athletes inflict upon themselves.) More generally, I know of no instance, with respect to human nutrition or human health overall, where " more is better. " The body seeks sufficiency, NOT OVERFLOWING ABUNDANCE, in everything, and we let the body decide what to store, and how much. (Well, we don't actually LET the body decide, it just decides whether we " like it or not. " Superhydration is harmful, hyperalkalinity is just as harmful as hyperacidity, etc. (In other words, drinking water with a pH of 10 may be as harmful as eating highly acidifying foods such as meats and grains.) This is part of the Law of Nature. In general, the body stores fat-soluble materials (e.g., vitamins A, D, E, K) and flushes water-soluble materials IN EXCESS OF THOSE IT IS USING. So storing salt, as brine, is a natural survival response, but it is out of alignment with the general principle that the body (prefers to) flush out all excess water-soluble material. ALL salt is excess water-soluble material. Salt is so caustic that the body must flush very slowly, but the body never stops flushing until all the salt is removed (or the body dies). 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Guest guest Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Our bodies are such intricate machines... so wonderous!!! It is Always a learning experience on this group... Thanks again Elchanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Hi Elchanan, What a wonderful explanation! It does make a lot of sense. I suppose the drug Lasix has a similar effect on the body as does the salt. So would all the flab that people acquire as they get older account for this brine and or toxic waste that is stores in the tissues. You are such a blessing to this group and humanity with your generous gift of time and wisdom. Vegigran > Vegigran writes: > > Hi Elchanan, I just read an interesting article in our local newspaper > this morning. The article was " Excess fluids dangerous for runners " . I'll > try to summarize the article. It says after years of telling athletes to > drink as much liquid as possible to avoid dehydration, some doctors are now > saying that drinking too much during intense exercise poses a far greater > health risk. They took blood samples after the race on the ones that drank > so much that they had " hyponatremia " , or abnormally low blood sodium levels, > which slowed them way down. As more slow runners entered long races, > doctors began seeing athletes stumbling into medical tents, nauseated, > groggy, barely coherent and with their blood severely diluted. Some died on > the spot or in the hospital. During intense exercise, the kidneys cannot > excrete excess water, but as people keep drinking the extra water moves into > their cells, including brain cells. The engorged brain cells, with no room > to expand, press against the skull and can compress the brain stem, which > controls vital functions like breathing. The results can be fatal. > Everyone becomes dehydrated when they race, but not one death in an athlete > from dehydration in competitive race in the whole history of running, but on > the other hand, people have become sick and died from drinking too much. > Hyponatremia can be treated with a small volume of highly concentrated salt > solution given intravenously and can save a patient's life by pulling water > out of swollen brain cells. > > NOW.....isn't this contradictory what natural hygiene believes that the > cells hold on to water to prevent the caustic > effects of the SALT? > Vegigran > _____ > Hi Vegigran, > > First, GREAT job summarizing the article you read! And GREAT question, > thanks!!! > > Everything in your summary seems accurate, everything you reported has > actually happened, just as you have described. But the story the reporter > tells tell is incomplete (almost always the case), and therefore the > interpretation is incorrect. Further, I see one misunderstanding somewhere > between what I (or perhaps another hygiene person) wrote and what you heard. > So let's try and clarify together. > > Cells do not " hold onto water to prevent the caustic effects of the salt, " > normal cells do not, as a rule " hold onto " anything at all. They use what > they need and either store or discard the rest. > > In fact, the opposite is the case, the body PULLS water from every cell in > order to dilute the salt, then stores this brine, largely under the skin, > until the salt can be safely removed. This can lead to flabbiness, > blotchiness, etc. over time. > > In other words, in ALL cases the body's response to salt is the same: water > is drawn from everywhere to dilute the salt. Now in the case of these > runners who drank too much water, the salt does save their lives in the > moment, as the body pulls water to dilute and eventually eliminates the > salt. > > But this does not mean that the body METABOLIZES the salt taken by these > superhydrated athletes, only that the body dilutes the salt in the " normal " > way. It is widely believed that the taking of salt " replaces lost > electrolytes, " but the body has not " lost " the sodium. Instead, the sodium > has merely become inaccessible to the cells because it is farther away from > them, quite literally, and less concentrated. This upsets the electrical > balance (sodium-potassium balance) of every cell in the body and impairs > systemwide functions, even leading to death in some cases. (This is a more > technical topic involving how cells are powered, please let me know if > interested.) > > When we add salt, the body redirects excess water toward the incoming salt, > there is no substantive replacement of electrolytes. This redirecting of > water is an absolutely normal metabolic response, entirely in alignment with > the laws of physics and of Nature. So when these superhydrated athletes > " take salt, " the body redirects the excess water to dilute the salt and then > begins flushing. As the excess water is drawn away from the cells, the > electrolyte balance throughout the body gradually returns to a state similar > to that preceding the act of superhydration. (Note that I did NOT say that > the body returns the electrolyte balance to " normal. " It is doubtful, in > such people, that the electrolyte balance was biologically " normal " to begin > with, given all the self-abuse that most contemporary athletes inflict upon > themselves.) > > More generally, I know of no instance, with respect to human nutrition or > human health overall, where " more is better. " The body seeks sufficiency, > NOT OVERFLOWING ABUNDANCE, in everything, and we let the body decide what to > store, and how much. (Well, we don't actually LET the body decide, it just > decides whether we " like it or not. " Superhydration is harmful, > hyperalkalinity is just as harmful as hyperacidity, etc. (In other words, > drinking water with a pH of 10 may be as harmful as eating highly acidifying > foods such as meats and grains.) This is part of the Law of Nature. > > In general, the body stores fat-soluble materials (e.g., vitamins A, D, E, > K) and flushes water-soluble materials IN EXCESS OF THOSE IT IS USING. So > storing salt, as brine, is a natural survival response, but it is out of > alignment with the general principle that the body (prefers to) flush out > all excess water-soluble material. ALL salt is excess water-soluble > material. Salt is so caustic that the body must flush very slowly, but the > body never stops flushing until all the salt is removed (or the body dies). > > Best to all, > Elchanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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