Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 WOw! Trying to keep up with ALL the posts! Somehow I missed the lemon ideas, Can someone fill me in on what amount and how we use it for shampoo and cleaning? Thanks! I imagine it was in one of my many bounced emails. =( I try to keep up but frequently when I get home from work I have a list of bounced mail and a ton of mail in the mail box. I usually just proceed to what I have and ignore what was bounced. Thanks! Sharie -- Thanks! > > > There are 25 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: salty taste > Don Quai <mysticalherbalist > 2. From Lori - cleaning lemon and stuff > " L & C " <lorilib > 3. Re: cleansers and shampoos > " L & C " <lorilib > 4. Re: hair > " L & C " <lorilib > 5. RE: Elchanan / Smoothie Question (Fruits + Veggies) (REVISED) > Joanie <christmasbaby1956 > 6. Re: Yuk! / golden raisins > Joanie <christmasbaby1956 > 7. What I haven't told you about my journey (a bit long) > Lu <Dahzhid > 8. RE: Swing / Smoothie Question (Fruits + Veggies) (REVISED) > Joanie <christmasbaby1956 > 9. Re: cleansers and shampoos > " L & C " <lorilib > 10. Re: What I haven't told you about my journey (a bit long) > " tesser2u " <tesser2u > 11. Re: Shampoo - Dry Skin, Hair > " L & C " <lorilib > 12. Re: Beginning again! (long post, feedback requested!) > Lu <Dahzhid > 13. Re: Re: Shampoo - Dry Skin, Hair > " John L. Fielder " <academy.natural.living > 14. Re: What I haven't told you about my journey (a bit long) > Kimberly Dawkins <kim.dawkins > 15. Re: Re: Shampoo - Dry Skin, Hair > Lu <Dahzhid > 16. Re: Beginning again! (long post, feedback requested!) > Kristen Swanson <kswanson > 17. Raw Food Dinner: April 24th > Alex Malinsky <alexmalinsky > 18. Fwd: Re: Beginning again! (long post, feedback requested!) > Kristen Swanson <kswanson > 19. RE: RF Events > " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo > 20. Re: RF Events > " Bob Farrell " <rjf2 > 21. RE: RF Events > " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo > 22. RE: Re: Shampoo - Dry Skin, Hair > " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo > 23. Re: salty taste > tev treowlufu <coac2002 > 24. Re: salty taste > " John L. Fielder " <academy.natural.living > 25. Re: vita mix > " lane lynn " <lanie > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:22:54 +0200 > Don Quai <mysticalherbalist > Re: salty taste > > > tev treowlufu wrote: > > > > > Plants utilize the " salt " in the same way > > that animals do. That is why sodium ions > > and chloride ions are found in plant matter > > " separated. " > > > > Natural salt licks exist globally. Animal trails, > > upon which many modern roads have been built, lead > > to and from natural salt licks. > > > > Can you show that the body does not dissolve salt > > into sodium and chloride ions? > > > > tev > > > > > =========================== > Hi Tev, > > I have no doubt that the body, without the assistance of water, might be > able to break down the ionic bonds between sodium and the chloride ions. > However, it takes a huge amount of energy to produce this. It is much > easier if the salt is already dissolved in water as the water, being > polar, naturally breaks these bonds down, yet the body still cannot > utilize them in this form as they are inorganic. Plants do not take up > sodium chloride as a salt, they utilize the sodium ions and chloride > ions that are already broken apart in the soil due to the effects of > water. I do believe that this even holds true for plants growing in salt > marshes and next to the beach. However, there is still lots of water > there that will break down the salt into its constituent ions. No plants > grow on a salt lick or near one where there is no water that I am aware of. > > Salt is very caustic by nature. No, it won't burn your skin, but > internally it is very hard on the body in large amounts. I also don't > think anyone would like to be buried in salt for any length of time > either. The body can only utilize so much sodium ions and chloride ions. > Too much and your looking at damage to arterial walls, cells, etc, as > well as an imbalance in the sodium/potassium ratio of each and every > cell in the body. Sodium ions normally exist in the ECF (extra cellular > fluid, outside the cells) and the potassium ions in the ICF (Intra > cellular fluid, inside the cells). Too much sodium, as in using salt, > and you get too high a concentration of sodium ions which results in an > osmotic pressure rise outside of the cell. The body will do all it can > to stabalize the osmotic pressure by allowing sodium ions into the cell. > Now this will create an imbalance in the electrical charge that exists > within the cell so the body will then incorporate chloride ions into the > cell to neutralize the sodium ions and push potassium ions out of the > cell. Now we have salt in the cell so the body brings in water to help > balance the salinity inside the cell and we end up with edema. All > salt, table salt, himalayan salt and sea salt and any other salt > deposits are inorganic by nature. The human body cannot efficiently > process and utilize inorganic minerals and salts, of which sodium is one > of. The human body can very effectively and efficiently utilize the > minerals and sodium ions from plants however, as they have been brought > to life, so to speak, through the action of photosynthesis. The sodium > ions, coming from the food you eat, have their ionic charge neutralized > by combining with enzymes that will allow it to be effectively utilized > by our body. Same with any minerals. An example of an inorganic > substance is table salt. It is simply sodium and chloride. No enzymes, > thus it is enzymatically inactive and the body cannot use it. It is > inorganic. Our bodies cannot attach an enzyme to inorganic substances > (minerals), except at great cost to our health. The body to meet any of > its mineral requirements cannot use salt. Salt is an inorganic mineral > that cannot be metabolized by the body. Salt enters the body as sodium > chloride, it circulates in the body as sodium chloride, and it leaves > the body as sodium chloride. At no point is it broken down and used as > sodium and chlorine. If the body cannot use salt how can it be termed > " necessary " to life? > > Also consider that salt (sodium chloride) is a cube of equal amounts of > sodium and chloride ions bonded together. In order for your body to > break those bonds it needs to break not one but 6 to free up a sodium > ion or a chloride ion and then it must attach an enzyme to each ion for > the body to be able to use it. This is the role of plants and what they > do very well in comparison to the human body. This is why it is best for > us to get all the sodium and chlorine we need from the fruits and > vegetables that we consume. We should never use salt in any form. We > just plain don't need it and it is deleterious to our health big time. > > Now a possible reason so many different animals lick salt at the salt > licks is because they don't get enough sodium from what they consume. > Not all animals need salt from the salt licks. This can be found in > nature quite easily. I am fairly certain that the only reasons man > decided to lick salt is because he, quite erroneously, viewed himself as > an animal and following the migration of animals and watching their > habits figured he was supposed to do the same thing, as well as, he > began to eat less of what was good for him (fresh fruits, vegetables and > green plants) and more of what wasn't good for him (ie. flesh, grains, > nuts, seeds and cooked foods). He also found that salt was an excellent > preservative of foods, contributing greatly to the decliine in his health. > > There are many reasons for not using salt such as: > > Salt causes inflammatory sweeling of the glands. > It contributes to constipation and indigestion. > It is a factor in many skin diseases. > It is deposited thourghout all the fluids of the body, which causes > extreme irritation, injury and death to billions of cells. > When excessive salt (that which the body cannot immediately excrete) is > deposited everywhere in the fluid medium of the billions of living body > cells causing extreme irritation, injury and death to the cells, the > cells send forth a desperate SOS signal and the person gets thirsty and > drinks lots of water. This water is carried by the blood and deposited > in the tissue fluids to dilute the devastating effects. This results in > excessive body fluids, edema. > > The body takes every opportunity to excrete this salt - constantly > through the urine, at even limited or almost no excretion by profuse > sweating, through tears etc. The salts desposit throughout the body > cause cells to contract and discharge their life fluids and other vital > elements resulting in hardened tissues, distorted vision, > hyper-anethesia of the nerves, high blood pressure, tumors, cancer, > psoriasis, neuritis, heart defects, extreme dedema and innumerable other > degerative conditions too numerous to list. > > Quite frankly, Tev, salt is a stimulant which needlessly over taxes the > vital life force of the body. > > -- > Peace be with you, > > Don " Quai " Eitner > > " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal > and wakes in man. " > > > > -- > In compliance with the highest standards of Universal Law, this email has been > thoroughly disinfected and purified in the solar flares of the sun. > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.6 - Release 4/11/05 ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 2 > Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:21:33 -0000 > " L & C " <lorilib > From Lori - cleaning lemon and stuff > > > > Hi group, > > Just getting back from vacation, wow this is a really active group, > keeping up with the posts is getting to be a full-time job - from now > on i'm only going to check the website from time to time and not get > the daily digest of posts. So... If i haven't answered anyone or you > have something you want to say or ask me please e-mail me directly. > If you have no idea who I am, a few people have refered to me in > reference to cleaning you hair, house, world with lemon and other > fruits. I've been doing this for some time, and have tons of other > tips and suggestions on how to live more naturally! > > Thanks > Lori > > www.infinitelove.info > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 3 > Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:08:16 -0000 > " L & C " <lorilib > Re: cleansers and shampoos > > > > Awe your welcome Lynne!!! > > I used to use vinegar when i first became vegan, but the smell gets > to me, I've found it's a great fabric softener, these days I just > use the ceramic disks in the laundry and no softener, if it really > needs it I will use some papaya enzyme that they sell with the > ceramic disks, some lemon or even some of that soap I have left from > my soap using days. These days I use the ceramic disks less and > less and just use water. > > I heard that if you use lemon on a window that gets direct sunlight > it will crack (like on a windshield) not sure if that is true, and I > don't know if using a whole lemon (including the peel) will do that. > > Lori > www.infinitelove.info > > rawfood , " Lynne " <niklyn@n...> wrote: > > > > Hello Joanie_ & all - yes you are right - I have never used fabric > softener > > in my washing machine for months - vinegar works very well - no > damage to > > any fabrics so far for me anyway and the clothes just smell lovely > and fresh > > - I use it neat for that. > > I also use it on windows and then polish with newspaper although > Lori's > > lemon works beautifully for this too (I sound like such a good > housewife - I > > wish it were more true!!) - I had another web site about Vinegar > in my > > little collection that was better than the one I posted - I will > see if I > > can find it again. > > I also put it in a spray bottle and spray into a room and then > close the > > door and leave it - it makes fabrics smell like new again. > > > > I have pasted a better vinegar site link below - hope it helps. > > Love Lynne > > > > http://frugalliving.about.com/cs/tips/a/vinclean.htm > > > ___________________ > __ > > > > Message: 5 > > Sat, 2 Apr 2005 13:26:45 -0800 (PST) > > Joanie <christmasbaby1956> > > Re: cleansers and shampoos > > > > > > Am I understandin you right - can I safely use white vinegar in > place of a > > fabric softener on my clothes - it won't hurt/discolor them or > anything? > > I really want to know this - because if this is true - wow- it > would be > > great to stop buyin fabric softener! > > Thanks for any feedback. > > > > Lynne <niklyn@n...> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I want to say a big thank you to Lori for the information which > will be so > > useful to me - I hate the thought of all the chemicals in the > house and for > > a good while I have been using vinegar as a cleanser too (white > vinegar) - > > it removes odours (dog urine neat onto the spot after blotting) > and also is > > a very good fabric softener and static remover in the washing > machine - and > > also I have visited the web site for household cleaners and also > self > > cleaning and found it all so good - I am going to digest it all at > length. > > I am off to buy more lemons!! > > Thanks again Lori > > Love Lynne > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 suggestion.... if you miss an email you can always go to the group home page on to go back through the recent posts.... sslush wrote: WOw! Trying to keep up with ALL the posts! Somehow I missed the lemon ideas, Can someone fill me in on what amount and how we use it for shampoo and cleaning? Thanks! I imagine it was in one of my many bounced emails. =( I try to keep up but frequently when I get home from work I have a list of bounced mail and a ton of mail in the mail box. I usually just proceed to what I have and ignore what was bounced. Thanks! Sharie -- Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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