Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Hi Elvira, Yes, loads of experience. First, did you see my post on fasting the other day? If not, I'll repost it for you and we can go from there. Since nowhere in your proposed program are you truly fasting (not eating), this is really a discussion about managing your diet. Based upon the items you've listed, you are likely to get at least some of the right types of nutrients you need, but not necessarily the quantity or mix you need. The big questions are how much fruit, how much nuts and seeds (as in the actual weight in grams or ounces). These will be your primary sources of calories and therefore will largely determine your overall nutrient mix. The concern is that if you undereat fruit (as most do), then you MUST get your calories from nuts, seeds, perhaps avocado (which you didn't mention explicitly, but I imagine might be part of a salad??) And if you go that route, the program will eventually fail. If you are beginning from an " overweight " starting point, you can get away with this sort of thing for awhile, as your body will harvest/recycle from the fat it burns to provided needed calories (thermomechanical energy). But when that supply runs out, and if this approach has become your habit, you could end up in a weight-loss free-fall and/or worse. This happens more frequently among new RFs than is generally discussed, partly to preserve people's privacy, and also because discussing it would show the flaws in what many raw food teachers teach. As a general guideline, I'd suggest starting out slower, perhaps more in 7-day cycles. Do the liquid diet (what you have called a " juice fast " ) every seventh day, see how that works for you. And I also suggest that you increase your planned juice consumption for the juice days. Keep in mind that juicing concentrates some nutrients beyond levels our body can use, creating a need to dispose of the excess. And juicing also discards important components of the nutrient mix, including ALL fiber as well as many other nutrients that only partially come out in the juicing process. To the extent that you eat the pulp, you can still gain access to the " whole food, " but if you separate the parts and eat them at different times, then you have still broken apart Nature's design. In my opinion, a better approach is to use smoothies on the liquid-only days. That way you ARE consuming the whole foods, and you still lighten the load on your digestive system considerably by choosing only fruits and vegetables, and by pulverizing the food before it enters your system. One final note, chew your juice/smoothie. The mechanical act of chewing sends important signals to the rest of the digestive system. Best to all, Elchanan elvira tutic [e_tutic] Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:51 PM rawfood [Raw Food] mixed fasting Hi I just completed my first 3 day juice fast this weekend. Because I had such luck and felt so good. I want to alternate fasting days with my usual raw eating days. So my days would look like this i.e: monday: salad/and fruit/some nuts/seeds (end eating at 9pm) tuesday (fasting day): fruit juice in the afternoon/veggie juice in the evening. total juice fast:around 34hrs. wednesday: still have juice in the early afternoon..maybe eat a banana/salad at 7pm/some nuts/fruit Begin the cycle again. I've heard its ok to do this and that these kinds of fasts exist. I just don't want to wreck havoc on my system. Does anyone have experience with this/or want to offer their opinion/any resources online? thanks elvira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Hi I have heard people discuss this RW Free Fall on the Weight Loss..........I have been on and off again raw since jan but keep returning to the raw lifestyle even if i have lost no weight going back and forth I feel soooooooooooooo much better. Any tips on how I can stick to this??? As I have about 70 pounds to lose via the RF Free fall as you put it........HAHA! I have never had a problem with losing too much weight!!!! Thanks Melissa --- " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo wrote: > Hi Elvira, > > Yes, loads of experience. First, did you see my post > on fasting the other > day? If not, I'll repost it for you and we can go > from there. > > Since nowhere in your proposed program are you truly > fasting (not eating), > this is really a discussion about managing your > diet. Based upon the items > you've listed, you are likely to get at least some > of the right types of > nutrients you need, but not necessarily the quantity > or mix you need. The > big questions are how much fruit, how much nuts and > seeds (as in the actual > weight in grams or ounces). These will be your > primary sources of calories > and therefore will largely determine your overall > nutrient mix. > > The concern is that if you undereat fruit (as most > do), then you MUST get > your calories from nuts, seeds, perhaps avocado > (which you didn't mention > explicitly, but I imagine might be part of a > salad??) And if you go that > route, the program will eventually fail. If you are > beginning from an > " overweight " starting point, you can get away with > this sort of thing for > awhile, as your body will harvest/recycle from the > fat it burns to provided > needed calories (thermomechanical energy). But when > that supply runs out, > and if this approach has become your habit, you > could end up in a > weight-loss free-fall and/or worse. This happens > more frequently among new > RFs than is generally discussed, partly to preserve > people's privacy, and > also because discussing it would show the flaws in > what many raw food > teachers teach. > > As a general guideline, I'd suggest starting out > slower, perhaps more in > 7-day cycles. Do the liquid diet (what you have > called a " juice fast " ) every > seventh day, see how that works for you. And I also > suggest that you > increase your planned juice consumption for the > juice days. > > Keep in mind that juicing concentrates some > nutrients beyond levels our body > can use, creating a need to dispose of the excess. > And juicing also discards > important components of the nutrient mix, including > ALL fiber as well as > many other nutrients that only partially come out in > the juicing process. To > the extent that you eat the pulp, you can still gain > access to the " whole > food, " but if you separate the parts and eat them at > different times, then > you have still broken apart Nature's design. > > In my opinion, a better approach is to use smoothies > on the liquid-only > days. That way you ARE consuming the whole foods, > and you still lighten the > load on your digestive system considerably by > choosing only fruits and > vegetables, and by pulverizing the food before it > enters your system. > > One final note, chew your juice/smoothie. The > mechanical act of chewing > sends important signals to the rest of the digestive > system. > > Best to all, > Elchanan > > > > elvira tutic [e_tutic] > Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:51 PM > rawfood > [Raw Food] mixed fasting > > > > Hi > I just completed my first 3 day juice fast this > weekend. Because I had such luck and felt so good. I > want to alternate fasting days with my usual raw > eating days. So my days would look like this > i.e: > > monday: salad/and fruit/some nuts/seeds (end eating > at > 9pm) > tuesday (fasting day): fruit juice in the > afternoon/veggie juice in the evening. total juice > fast:around 34hrs. > wednesday: still have juice in the early > afternoon..maybe eat a banana/salad at 7pm/some > nuts/fruit > > Begin the cycle again. I've heard its ok to do this > and that these kinds of fasts exist. I just don't > want to wreck havoc on my system. Does anyone have > experience with this/or want to offer their > opinion/any resources online? > thanks > elvira > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 hi thanks for the info..and am excited to read more on your thoughts on fasting..please re post that message if you can I've thought about your post and first thing is that iam not overweight..i am very active and have been this way for about 10years now. I am definately juicing more fruits than veggies, i could never under eat fruit! Right now what seems to be working is lately I have been having about 12-15oz of fruit juice during the day. Then I have a salad/with nuts/and half an avocodo in the evening. I am planning to have another 3 day juice fast this weekend, because of the sucess of last week. I would like to shed a few winter pounds but this is not my number one concern. Its just feeling better and feeling relaxed. I lead a very busy and active lifestyle and this is working really well for me at the moment. thanks for everything elvira > > Yes, loads of experience. First, did you see my post > on fasting the other > day? If not, I'll repost it for you and we can go > from there. > > Since nowhere in your proposed program are you truly > fasting (not eating), > this is really a discussion about managing your > diet. Based upon the items > you've listed, you are likely to get at least some > of the right types of > nutrients you need, but not necessarily the quantity > or mix you need. The > big questions are how much fruit, how much nuts and > seeds (as in the actual > weight in grams or ounces). These will be your > primary sources of calories > and therefore will largely determine your overall > nutrient mix. > > The concern is that if you undereat fruit (as most > do), then you MUST get > your calories from nuts, seeds, perhaps avocado > (which you didn't mention > explicitly, but I imagine might be part of a > salad??) And if you go that > route, the program will eventually fail. If you are > beginning from an > " overweight " starting point, you can get away with > this sort of thing for > awhile, as your body will harvest/recycle from the > fat it burns to provided > needed calories (thermomechanical energy). But when > that supply runs out, > and if this approach has become your habit, you > could end up in a > weight-loss free-fall and/or worse. This happens > more frequently among new > RFs than is generally discussed, partly to preserve > people's privacy, and > also because discussing it would show the flaws in > what many raw food > teachers teach. > > As a general guideline, I'd suggest starting out > slower, perhaps more in > 7-day cycles. Do the liquid diet (what you have > called a " juice fast " ) every > seventh day, see how that works for you. And I also > suggest that you > increase your planned juice consumption for the > juice days. > > Keep in mind that juicing concentrates some > nutrients beyond levels our body > can use, creating a need to dispose of the excess. > And juicing also discards > important components of the nutrient mix, including > ALL fiber as well as > many other nutrients that only partially come out in > the juicing process. To > the extent that you eat the pulp, you can still gain > access to the " whole > food, " but if you separate the parts and eat them at > different times, then > you have still broken apart Nature's design. > > In my opinion, a better approach is to use smoothies > on the liquid-only > days. That way you ARE consuming the whole foods, > and you still lighten the > load on your digestive system considerably by > choosing only fruits and > vegetables, and by pulverizing the food before it > enters your system. > > One final note, chew your juice/smoothie. The > mechanical act of chewing > sends important signals to the rest of the digestive > system. > > Best to all, > Elchanan > > > > elvira tutic [e_tutic] > Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:51 PM > rawfood > [Raw Food] mixed fasting > > > > Hi > I just completed my first 3 day juice fast this > weekend. Because I had such luck and felt so good. I > want to alternate fasting days with my usual raw > eating days. So my days would look like this > i.e: > > monday: salad/and fruit/some nuts/seeds (end eating > at > 9pm) > tuesday (fasting day): fruit juice in the > afternoon/veggie juice in the evening. total juice > fast:around 34hrs. > wednesday: still have juice in the early > afternoon..maybe eat a banana/salad at 7pm/some > nuts/fruit > > Begin the cycle again. I've heard its ok to do this > and that these kinds of fasts exist. I just don't > want to wreck havoc on my system. Does anyone have > experience with this/or want to offer their > opinion/any resources online? > thanks > elvira > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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