Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Hi Froggy, Thanks for sharing these important thoughts and feelings. Of course, I agree completely that what is " right " for you is only for you -- in the sense that only you can discern and choose. So therefore let us make a full and open space in which each person can freely choose. If you study law -- I don't mean just present-day statutory commercial law, but the history and nature of law, you may find some intriguing information. For examples, one of the most basic principles of the Common Law is that no law should ever restrict the liberty of one person to any extent greater than is necessary to protect the equal liberty of another. When our founders commented that " That government which governs best, governs least, " they weren't kidding. Every human, every member of our species, has a vast innate knowing and a vast innate capacity to connect with self, Divinity, and others. But this capacity only emerges through free, safe, loving self-expression. More if you are interested. Elchanan Froggy [seconaphim] Friday, February 18, 2005 6:10 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Seeking Meeting Foods suggestions (for Standard American Diet ... It is the damndest thing. What is obvious for me isn't right for someone else. This isn't hard to recognize and accept as the needs of someone have to do with their own psychic (system?) makeup. God's creatures are the way they are for various and sundry reasons which serve the purposes of the Creator, not my purposes. Knowledge and experience have little to do with it. Those who are behind will catch up eventually. Imitating the I am as I am's is how man is created in the image of God. And certainly God makes his own choices in an absolutely perfect, final way. I do not equally give the liberty to choose however, neither do I expect to receive it. I'm not perfect and neither is anyone else and what may be right to someone may be very wrong in the eyes of the Creator and should be eliminated. Of course, you have to have a belief in God and a recognition that doing God's will is important in your life to even begin to attempt this. Commonality of love among humans is more important than someone's freedom of choice. Service to others should be stressed as service to oneself in terms of our liberty to choose. The cry for liberty is very strong in this society as the will of the unseen God can hardly be deciphered by anyone. So it's easy to just look to self-determination as the right road to follow, the I am imitating the I am again. But we have laws for a reason, we have rights and wrongs according to society's judgment for a reason. Prohibitive laws will never go away and they will probably strengthen over time. As man has his laws, so God has his and over time, they too manifest in the lives of individuals and society. Carrying out those laws as they're learned and understood is the quest of eternity. And I realize that most of what I just wrote you will dismiss and disagree with Elchanon. rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...> wrote: > > I am reminded of a quote from the writings of Mark Twain, roughly, " The > damndest thing is that everybody has his reasons. " What may seem utterly > obvious to many on this list may seem completely outside the realm of > consideration to others, regardless of their education, title, job, etc. We > all want and need the liberty to choose, we can only have it if we equally > give it, in full measure, without hesitation or reservation of any kind. > That is the nature of liberty. > > Elchanan _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Not quite as full and open space, but OK. " No law should ever restrict the liberty of one person to any extent greater than is necessary to protect the equal liberty of another, " sounds good, but it depends on how someone defines liberty. " That government which governs best, governs least, " is true but only in a moral society, and how does one define morality unless God's will is known for a people? Unfortunately, this world is a long way from coming to any conclusions about God's will for the race as a whole. " Every human, every member of our species, has a vast innate knowing and a vast innate capacity to connect with self, Divinity, and others. But this capacity only emerges through free, safe, loving self-expression. " Again, how does one define safe and loving? and how much and what kinds of freedom are safe and loving? Society as a whole has to figure that out as time goes by. " More if you are interested, " more is good. rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...> wrote: > > Hi Froggy, > > Thanks for sharing these important thoughts and feelings. Of course, I agree > completely that what is " right " for you is only for you -- in the sense that > only you can discern and choose. So therefore let us make a full and open > space in which each person can freely choose. > > If you study law -- I don't mean just present-day statutory commercial law, > but the history and nature of law, you may find some intriguing information. > For examples, one of the most basic principles of the Common Law is that no > law should ever restrict the liberty of one person to any extent greater > than is necessary to protect the equal liberty of another. When our founders > commented that " That government which governs best, governs least, " they > weren't kidding. > > Every human, every member of our species, has a vast innate knowing and a > vast innate capacity to connect with self, Divinity, and others. But this > capacity only emerges through free, safe, loving self-expression. More if > you are interested. > > Elchanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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