Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 In a message dated 2/21/2003 7:49:17 PM Central Standard Time, djjamuk01 writes: > James Country > again?? > Shoot and i thought you were talking about my relatives (james is the last name, not by choice) ) Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 James Country - that has a nice ring ;=) You say I misunderstood you - and no wonder, since I see several typos in my post. But I don't think that was the problem. I think you *did* understand my post but I think I did *not* misunderstand you. Okay? Bear with me: If as a vegan I 'accidentally' eat an animal product I am still a vegan, right? But if I do it knowing I am doing it then I am *not* a vegan? Okay. That's a definition. But what use does it serve except for what's in the mind of the consumer of the product? The animal is just as dead, one has just as certainly violated one's principles, whether one has done it one purpose or accidentally. I think I may have mentioned, and if not I mention it here, that there is a tendency to fall back on concepts of 'sin' - whatever that is. That is to say, one *intends* to do something - bad. One didn't mean to do something - okay, not so bad or perhaps even forgiven. Understand, I am not trying to say that people who make mistakes, as they might think, intentional or otherwise, are wrong or evil or, heaven forbid, non-vegan (or even non-vegetarian) That's what people do: make mistakes. It's called fallibility - or however the damned word is spelled ;=) What I do wonder, however, is the kind of judgmentalism that decides who is and who isn't 'vegan' (or whatever) depending on - now get this - what's in their *minds*??????? Give me a break. I'd rather be judged on my actions, whatever the criterion might be, rather than on what someone else thinks is going on in my head. If that means I am criticized for unintentional errors in life - whether of veganism or humanitarianism or whatever - then so be it. It's too easy to say 'I didn't mean to, mom' - really, isn't it? On the other hand, she said with a sigh and a weary hand across her ever so pale brow, do what you think is right. That's all we can ever do ;=) best, pat sant -- SANTBROWN townhounds/ http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer * " The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look upon the murder of men " - Leonardo da Vinci * " The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for white, or women created for men. " - Alice Walker ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 Blimey! Right, I agree, in principle ( " but I demand the right to have babies " springs to mind) however, like them or not " things " need parameters, yardsticks, if you will, in order to be quantified, digested and understood in the individual and cultural conscience. Applied to this (very stimulating, glad I'm in it) debate, in order for those who are not vegan to understand what being a vegan is, there has to be a defining point where it is understood that, to the one side, stands a vegan because of action x which he believes is wrong, and to the other side stands a vegetarian, because he belives action x is acceptable. Does this turn a light on, or are we in James Country again?? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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