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" Mr.Graves " <sleepingtao> wrote:

> Yes, I did, because any vegetarian who

> condemns another vegetarian for perhaps eating a fish

> once a week; or having turkey on thanksgiving once a

> year; is laughable to someone who is a vegan; and I

> don't know any vegetarians who welcome being judged by

> vegans as unenlightened or impure.

>

> If the majority of your lifestyle is vegetarian; call

> yourself vegetarian- it bolsters our ranks, will help

> it become easier for others to feel it's acceptable,

> and facilitate more exchange of information and

> dialogue and allow more people to make the transition.

 

 

I have to disagree with this, for several reasons. Diluting the

meaning of words ultimately makes it impossible to have a reasonable

discussion with others, when everyone uses the same word

differently.

 

And, frankly (for purely selfish reasons), when someone eats meat

(including fish and/or poultry) and calls him/herself a vegetarian,

they make it much more difficult for *me*. I go to a restaurant,

and the waitstaff can't understand why i'm concerned about the soup

being made with chicken stock, when the last " vegetarian " they

served was quite willing to eat chicken in a salad. When someone

who doesn't eat red meat calls him/herself a " vegetarian " , the

people I interact with have difficulty understanding just what is

and is not acceptable to make for me.

 

Its annoying as hell when, for example, the bf thinks its ok to cook

his famous chicken and peppers over pasta, and just pick out the

chicken in my serving. Why? Because the only vegetarians he's

interacted with previously were very " loose " with the word, and

occasionally ate poultry, ate fish regularly, and didn't worry about

things like meat stocks, or if food was cooked with meat then had

the meat removed. That, to me, is NOT vegetarian. So why call

yourself one if you're not?

 

-- Sherri

 

If you want breakfast in bed, sleep in the kitchen

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I understand your frustration and your annoyance. however, i think

mr. graves original point was that not everyone has the same

definition of 'vegetarian' that you and I use. that's just the way

it is. seeing as how we didn't invent the word " vegetarian " we have

to deal with the fact that some people use the term " loosely " or

differently. so instead of telling a waiter you're vegetarian, tell

him " I don't eat meat, including poultry and fish " . if the waiter

messes that one up, he's an idiot.

personally i just avoid eating at restaurants that aren't either pure

vegetarian (or at least serving entire dishes that are meat-free soy

substitutes)... because even if they don't put meat on your plate,

they may have used the same utensils or pot to cook your food with as

with someone's meat. for all you know the cook accidentally made it

with meat and just took it out and threw it away. I know there's

situations when you're invited to a restaurant with family / friends,

but maybe you could convince them to go to a vegetarian restaurant

when they go out with you. why should you have to go to a steakhouse,

when you're the one with more dietary restrictions? to put it

another way, you dont' invite your diabetic friends to a candyshop.

be specific about what it is you don't eat (e.g. i don't want meat or

food that was cooked in the same pot as meat). it's annoying yes,

but that's the way it is.

 

, " Sherri <sherria@o...> "

<sherria@o...> wrote:

> " Mr.Graves " <sleepingtao> wrote:

> > Yes, I did, because any vegetarian who

> > condemns another vegetarian for perhaps eating a fish

> > once a week; or having turkey on thanksgiving once a

> > year; is laughable to someone who is a vegan; and I

> > don't know any vegetarians who welcome being judged by

> > vegans as unenlightened or impure.

> >

> > If the majority of your lifestyle is vegetarian; call

> > yourself vegetarian- it bolsters our ranks, will help

> > it become easier for others to feel it's acceptable,

> > and facilitate more exchange of information and

> > dialogue and allow more people to make the transition.

>

>

> I have to disagree with this, for several reasons. Diluting the

> meaning of words ultimately makes it impossible to have a

reasonable

> discussion with others, when everyone uses the same word

> differently.

>

> And, frankly (for purely selfish reasons), when someone eats meat

> (including fish and/or poultry) and calls him/herself a vegetarian,

> they make it much more difficult for *me*. I go to a restaurant,

> and the waitstaff can't understand why i'm concerned about the soup

> being made with chicken stock, when the last " vegetarian " they

> served was quite willing to eat chicken in a salad. When someone

> who doesn't eat red meat calls him/herself a " vegetarian " , the

> people I interact with have difficulty understanding just what is

> and is not acceptable to make for me.

>

> Its annoying as hell when, for example, the bf thinks its ok to

cook

> his famous chicken and peppers over pasta, and just pick out the

> chicken in my serving. Why? Because the only vegetarians he's

> interacted with previously were very " loose " with the word, and

> occasionally ate poultry, ate fish regularly, and didn't worry

about

> things like meat stocks, or if food was cooked with meat then had

> the meat removed. That, to me, is NOT vegetarian. So why call

> yourself one if you're not?

>

> -- Sherri

>

> If you want breakfast in bed, sleep in the kitchen

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WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

, " dave <dave4sale> "

<dave4sale> wrote:

> I understand your frustration and your annoyance. however, i think

> mr. graves original point was that not everyone has the same

> definition of 'vegetarian' that you and I use. that's just the way

> it is. seeing as how we didn't invent the word " vegetarian " we

have

> to deal with the fact that some people use the term " loosely " or

> differently. so instead of telling a waiter you're vegetarian,

tell

> him " I don't eat meat, including poultry and fish " . if the waiter

> messes that one up, he's an idiot.

> personally i just avoid eating at restaurants that aren't either

pure

> vegetarian (or at least serving entire dishes that are meat-free

soy

> substitutes)... because even if they don't put meat on your plate,

> they may have used the same utensils or pot to cook your food with

as

> with someone's meat. for all you know the cook accidentally made

it

> with meat and just took it out and threw it away. I know there's

> situations when you're invited to a restaurant with family /

friends,

> but maybe you could convince them to go to a vegetarian restaurant

> when they go out with you. why should you have to go to a

steakhouse,

> when you're the one with more dietary restrictions? to put it

> another way, you dont' invite your diabetic friends to a candyshop.

> be specific about what it is you don't eat (e.g. i don't want meat

or

> food that was cooked in the same pot as meat). it's annoying yes,

> but that's the way it is.

>

> , " Sherri <sherria@o...> "

> <sherria@o...> wrote:

> > " Mr.Graves " <sleepingtao> wrote:

> > > Yes, I did, because any vegetarian who

> > > condemns another vegetarian for perhaps eating a fish

> > > once a week; or having turkey on thanksgiving once a

> > > year; is laughable to someone who is a vegan; and I

> > > don't know any vegetarians who welcome being judged by

> > > vegans as unenlightened or impure.

> > >

> > > If the majority of your lifestyle is vegetarian; call

> > > yourself vegetarian- it bolsters our ranks, will help

> > > it become easier for others to feel it's acceptable,

> > > and facilitate more exchange of information and

> > > dialogue and allow more people to make the transition.

> >

> >

> > I have to disagree with this, for several reasons. Diluting the

> > meaning of words ultimately makes it impossible to have a

> reasonable

> > discussion with others, when everyone uses the same word

> > differently.

> >

> > And, frankly (for purely selfish reasons), when someone eats meat

> > (including fish and/or poultry) and calls him/herself a

vegetarian,

> > they make it much more difficult for *me*. I go to a restaurant,

> > and the waitstaff can't understand why i'm concerned about the

soup

> > being made with chicken stock, when the last " vegetarian " they

> > served was quite willing to eat chicken in a salad. When someone

> > who doesn't eat red meat calls him/herself a " vegetarian " , the

> > people I interact with have difficulty understanding just what is

> > and is not acceptable to make for me.

> >

> > Its annoying as hell when, for example, the bf thinks its ok to

> cook

> > his famous chicken and peppers over pasta, and just pick out the

> > chicken in my serving. Why? Because the only vegetarians he's

> > interacted with previously were very " loose " with the word, and

> > occasionally ate poultry, ate fish regularly, and didn't worry

> about

> > things like meat stocks, or if food was cooked with meat then had

> > the meat removed. That, to me, is NOT vegetarian. So why call

> > yourself one if you're not?

> >

> > -- Sherri

> >

> > If you want breakfast in bed, sleep in the kitchen

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