Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 The whole vegan / vegetarian label is just that, a label. In the colloquial sense of the words vegetarian usually refers to lacto-ovo vegetarian (no meat, only eggs and cheese), but sometimes vegans are called " pure vegetarians " . vegan often means " no meat, eggs or dairy " . one might assume that both vegetarians and vegans would abstain from leather, but it depends on whether they became a veggie for health or animal rights reasons. many vegans don't see anything ethically wrong with using honey or wool because the animal isn't harmed, and might actually enjoy a shave in the summer (although one could argue the sheep are harmed by being in a farm). i read a survey in which many people claiming to be vegetarians reported eating beef within the past 24 hrs. apparently they consider themselves veggie because they eat less meat than most americans, or because they like vegetarian dishes. it's annoying that there is no distinct definition, but the moral is, if you have to go to a restaurant or someone else's house for dinner, don't assume they know what you *think* a vegetarian is, tell them what u don't eat. , " ~ P_T ~ <patchouli_troll> " <patchouli_troll> wrote: > , " Mr.Graves " > <sleepingtao> > wrote: > > There are certain groups of vegans who make the > > exception for ocean based foodstuffs... > > Really? Wow, I learn something new every day. > I knew some vegetarians will eat meat of the fish, > but I didn't think vegans would do that. I have > learned so much about the different diets this past year. > > >we're all on our own paths anyways, no > > point in trying to herd us into neat little labels. > > Right. No point even trying. But knowing a bit about how > others define themselves does help when you are fixing > them dinner. > > > When I was doing volunteer work at a soup kitchen, i > > knew a woman who was vegetarian. when they made soup > > that had meat in it, she ate it. she didn't have much > > choice. i still consider her a vegetarian. > > > > -k- > > Absolutely! I agree. Namaste > > ~ PT ~ > > It is a very rare church indeed that encourages its members > to think for themselves in religious matters, or even tolerates > this, and in most of them the clergy are quite ready to lay > down the law in other fields too. > ~ Anne Roe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 I agree with alot of what Dave said here, it isn't nice to label people, however giving accurate labels makes it a whole lot easier when we are eating out, visiting etc. This is why I think that people should be accurate when describing their diet or lifestyle, don't call yourself a vegetarian if you eat fish or a vegan if you eat eggs even if it is ocassionally becuase it has a tendancy of confusing the wider community. I'm sure we have all gone into restaraunts and been offered the chicken or fish option when we don't eat it which can be confusing and frustrating for all. The difference as I ( & most of the people omni, veg, vegan I know) between vegetarianism and veganism is that vegetarianism is a dietary choice and veganism is a lifestyle choice. For example a vegan would not use leather whilst a vegetarian may chose to. Also there is a term for dietary vegans it's " vegtalan " (just to confuse you all even more!) so thats people who won't eat animal products but don't have a issue with wool/silk etc. As for cruelty in the wool industry I suggest the book " Pulling the Wool " by Christene Townsend it's quite informative of the conditions on wool farms and on sheep in general. And then theres the ecology point of view (in Australia at least the indroduction of cloven hoofed animals has really f***ed the environment & soil systems) Regards to the fish, LisA ICQ#: 15562604 *** www.gu.uwa.edu.au/clubs/vegies *** " I think---therefore I'm single... " -Lizz Winstead On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, dave <dave4sale wrote: > The whole vegan / vegetarian label is just that, a label. In the > colloquial sense of the words vegetarian usually refers to lacto-ovo > vegetarian (no meat, only eggs and cheese), but sometimes vegans are > called " pure vegetarians " . vegan often means " no meat, eggs or > dairy " . one might assume that both vegetarians and vegans would > abstain from leather, but it depends on whether they became a veggie > for health or animal rights reasons. many vegans don't see anything > ethically wrong with using honey or wool because the animal isn't > harmed, and might actually enjoy a shave in the summer (although one > could argue the sheep are harmed by being in a farm). i read a > survey in which many people claiming to be vegetarians reported > eating beef within the past 24 hrs. apparently they consider > themselves veggie because they eat less meat than most americans, or > because they like vegetarian dishes. it's annoying that there is no > distinct definition, but the moral is, if you have to go to a > restaurant or someone else's house for dinner, don't assume they know > what you *think* a vegetarian is, tell them what u don't eat. > > , " ~ P_T ~ > <patchouli_troll> " <patchouli_troll> wrote: > > , " Mr.Graves " > > <sleepingtao> > > wrote: > > > There are certain groups of vegans who make the > > > exception for ocean based foodstuffs... > > > > Really? Wow, I learn something new every day. > > I knew some vegetarians will eat meat of the fish, > > but I didn't think vegans would do that. I have > > learned so much about the different diets this past year. > > > > >we're all on our own paths anyways, no > > > point in trying to herd us into neat little labels. > > > > Right. No point even trying. But knowing a bit about how > > others define themselves does help when you are fixing > > them dinner. > > > > > When I was doing volunteer work at a soup kitchen, i > > > knew a woman who was vegetarian. when they made soup > > > that had meat in it, she ate it. she didn't have much > > > choice. i still consider her a vegetarian. > > > > > > -k- > > > > Absolutely! I agree. Namaste > > > > ~ PT ~ > > > > It is a very rare church indeed that encourages its members > > to think for themselves in religious matters, or even tolerates > > this, and in most of them the clergy are quite ready to lay > > down the law in other fields too. > > ~ Anne Roe > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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