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Well said, Gene.

 

To Dave4Sale: Unless you've seen round muzzle flashes at night, watched

tracers light up a pitch black night, and felt the repeated impact of an

AK-47 on the ground around you, then you're just talking shit about war and

much less about antiwar. When it comes to attention, what do you really

want?

 

DaveO

 

 

 

The Stewarts [stews9]

 

Oh, brother.

 

You're kidding, right? No one is more anti-war than those who will have

to go die for some idiot politician.

 

Soldiers and Sailors, Airmen and Marines, even Coast Guards are all

anti-war to a much more personal level than comfortable little theorists

in their gardens of projected illusion.

 

 

On Monday, January 27, 2003, at 03:20 PM,

SuperDave wrote:

 

> All I meant to imply is

> that it is hard to serve in the military and claim you are " anti-

> war " . also the military changes peoples way of thinking their whole

> personality. e.g. totally laid back disorganized people can turn anal

> retentive.

No mistake is more common and more fatuous than appealing to logic in cases

which are beyond her jurisdiction. -Samuel Butler, writer (1835-1902)

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, The Stewarts <stews9@c...>

wrote:

>

> You're kidding, right? No one is more anti-war than those who will

have

> to go die for some idiot politician.

>

> Soldiers and Sailors, Airmen and Marines, even Coast Guards are all

> anti-war to a much more personal level than comfortable little

theorists

> in their gardens of projected illusion..

>

>

obviously people in the armed forces don't all have a death wish and

most probably don't enjoy being shot at. but if they are willing to

sign up for the military knowing they may have to go kill someone

else, is that anti-war? " they may very well believe they are doing

the right thing. i must agree with you that those people who spat on

the viet nam soldiers are idiots. but that doesn't exactly make the

soldiers geniuses. everyone keeps posting how someone very close to

them served in the military and how they're a wonderful person. My

grandfather served in WW2, btw. but just because good people have

served in wars doesn't make war good. and being ordered to do

something doesn't make it okay either; nazi soldiers were ordered to

torture jews remember. personally if drafted i'd choose jail over

going to war. i would not be able to take someone's life. i don't

expect everyone to make the same choice. No, i'm not saying everyone

in the military gets brainwashed into an apathetic killing machine. i

don't want soldiers to die either. I just disagree with their

decision to fight. There wouldn't be any wars if everyone refused to

fight- george w and sadam sure as hell won't duke it out. You may

think that thinking is unrealistic, because one soldier quitting

won't stop a war. but meat-eaters have the same mentality- even if i

don't eat meat, most people do so what's the difference? i still feel

eating meat is not right, and ditto war. " if you're not part of the

solution, you're part of the problem " .

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