Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 Exactly...And speaking from someone who is lactacting right now, you simply have to be milked or it can be quite painful! And chickens lay eggs everyday regardless. The only time they don't lay is when they're brooding. If they're not in a pen...They'll lay them out in the woods, behind a bush, etc. We humans shed our eggs once a month via menses...But chickens do it daily. And no, they're not fertilized (at least they mostly aren't), you do NOT need a rooster to get a chicken to lay. You're not eating baby chickens, just the nutritious food that would be used to feed them. Warmly, Allison, breatfeeding Mommy --- The Stewarts <stews9 wrote: > Lacto means dairy products, the term derived from > lactation, lactose, etc. > > Ovo means egg in Latin and is self explanatory. > > Those who are lacto-ovo vegetarians eat no meat but > will drink cow's milk, > eat cheese and other dairy products, and will eat > eggs. > > Vegans object because one is exploiting the animals > to get these things > but, like PT, I believe that, as long as the animal > would produce it > anyway, and is being well cared-for, we may as well > honor it by using the > products in a healthy and respectful way. > > > On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 07:20 AM, > wrote: > > > Ok, I need a little information from you kind > folks, if ya don't mind. I' > > m > > familiar with vegetarianism obviously. I know > that vegans choose no > > animal > > products or bi-products (remember Altoids contain > gelatin). What exactly > > is > > lacto-ovo? Does it have something to do with > dairy? Also, are there any > > other O's out there that I should become familiar > with...perhaps Devo or > > Oreo, definitely not Pollo. Thanks for any help > on the subject. > > > > Peace and Harmony, > > Shawn > > > " He accepted a second-rate honor and joined a bunch > of brown-nosers. " > --Keith Richards on Mick Jagger's knighthood > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 yes..but....most commercial egg producers are forcing the laying to continue more rapidly...and are treating the hens horribly to do so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2002 Report Share Posted December 9, 2002 On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:24:42 -0500, you wrote: >yes..but....most commercial egg producers are forcing the laying to continue more rapidly...and are treating the hens horribly to do so... > I don't know as they are forcing the laying to continue more rapidly - I've had chickens, and they laid about an egg a day each, except in the depth of winter. If I provided light for them in the short days of winter (ordinary light), then they'd lay through the shortest days of winter too. This - IMHO - isn't cruel. But commercial egg producers indeed treat the hens with extreme cruelty, although I don't think the objective is more rapid laying. I think the objective is jamming as many victims as possible in as small a space as possible. And if they can't move around, they use less food. We are lucky where we live now in being able to buy our eggs from a man whose small farm is about 2 miles from us: we can see the chickens running around in the sunshine having good chicken-ish lives. When I couldn't buy local eggs, I made efforts to obtain free-range eggs: they seem to be generally available in the US at natural or health-food stores, or co-ops. Pat -- Pat Meadows CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/ International: http://www.thehungersite.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2002 Report Share Posted December 9, 2002 Hi, Have you heard of forced molting? <http://www.uan.org/journal/molting.html> Just thought you should know about it. Gary At 04:24 PM 12/9/02 -0500, you wrote: >On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:24:42 -0500, you wrote: > > >yes..but....most commercial egg producers are forcing the laying to > continue more rapidly...and are treating the hens horribly to do so... > > > >I don't know as they are forcing the laying to continue more >rapidly - I've had chickens, and they laid about an egg a >day each, except in the depth of winter. If I provided >light for them in the short days of winter (ordinary light), >then they'd lay through the shortest days of winter too. >This - IMHO - isn't cruel. > >But commercial egg producers indeed treat the hens with >extreme cruelty, although I don't think the objective is >more rapid laying. I think the objective is jamming as many >victims as possible in as small a space as possible. And if >they can't move around, they use less food. > >We are lucky where we live now in being able to buy our eggs >from a man whose small farm is about 2 miles from us: we >can see the chickens running around in the sunshine having >good chicken-ish lives. > >When I couldn't buy local eggs, I made efforts to obtain >free-range eggs: they seem to be generally available in the >US at natural or health-food stores, or co-ops. > >Pat >-- >Pat Meadows > >CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY >United States: <http://www.stopthehunger.com/>http://www.stopthehunger.com/ >International: <http://www.thehungersite.com/>http://www.thehungersite.com/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2002 Report Share Posted December 9, 2002 Have any of you guys read Diet for a new America...John Robbins....??... lots of good animal info in there...Much of which may not be known to most people... ...Also...getting eggs from the guy down the road whose chickens are happy would be really a great thing ...I wish we all had access to that!!lol... *Chana* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2002 Report Share Posted December 9, 2002 Ugh! That is so sad. Thanks for sharing that info here, Gary. ~ P_T ~ ~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~> , Gary Mattingly < gsmattingly@a...> wrote: > Hi, > > Have you heard of forced molting? > > <http://www.uan.org/journal/molting.html> > > Just thought you should know about it. > > Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 --- Amethyst-Fyre <amythstfyr wrote: > yes..but....most commercial egg producers are > forcing the laying to continue more rapidly...and > are treating the hens horribly to do so... This is why I buy mine from a little local farm. I get what I can from them -- veggies, eggs, etc. -- when I can. The veggies I have to get from the store in the winter. Janice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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