Nutrients, b12, and related considerations

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Hi Everyone,

 

Regarding all nutrients, nature puts into foods the nutrients

that we need, and a living substance (plant or animal) only

grows if its own nutrients are available. As long a species

eats the food its evolved to eat and can digest, absorb, and

assimilate, the species doesn't have to develop science to

endlessly analyze and ponder over whether it's getting all

its required nutrients from its food supply. Humans need

to have faith in nature like the horse has faith in the

grass it eats and the lion has faith in the animal flesh/

parts it eats.

 

It appears that civilized humans very often enjoy using their

thoughts to make simple things hard.

 

The human species is not a vegan, it is a frugivore. Vegan

is a moral/belief issue, not a natural issue.

 

B12 is needed in tiny amounts, less than 1 microgram

(1 millionth of a gram) per day for cellular energy processes.

RDA amounts state 2 to 3 micrograms, but are always safety

factored by 2 or 3 times, and the tests are always biased

because they use cooked food eaters as the subjects. Nature

doesn't safety factor or use cooked foods for health creation.

Nature is raw and just gives what is needed and does it with

providence and abundance.

 

B12 is the least required of the b-vitamin complex, and all

b-vitamins come as a full complement in the raw foods they

appear in, not in fractionated parts - unless the food is

processed, cooked, etc. B12 is contained in ripe fruits,

among other foods, in adequate but small quantities, and

it's also manufactured in the intestines by bacteria that

also need it. The body works out how much it needs, the

thinking brain doesn't need to get involved in the

calculations.

 

All living animals need b12 as a miniscule part of their

cellular processes to metabolize sugars and they get it

from their natural food supplies in the amounts they need.

Just as sugar is in our fruit, provided by nature, a person

can have faith that the required b-vitamins (and all other

nutrients) are there, too, that are needed for the digestion,

absorption, and assimilation of the fruit (or whatever

human-appropriate food is eaten). A cow doesn't have to go

to the vitamin store to make sure it gets all the vitamins

it needs to derive the energy it needs from the grass it eats.

Let us not think that our thinking caps are above the

intelligence of nature's infinitely intelligent design.

Have faith in nature. Have faith that a cut will heal, that

a infant will learn to walk, that a baby bird will one day

fly, that an oak seed will sprout and grow into a big tree,

that a sweet tasting fruit is good to eat because it tastes

good, that an unpleasant tasting substance is bad to eat

because it tastes bad.

 

A person could go on forever worrying about micro-nutrients

the human needs and eating everything under the sun to try

and get them in concentrated quantities, just to be sure.

Nature only requires that a organism gets what is needed

and no more. Too much is just as bad as too little. Just

as nature puts the sugar, water, fat, and protein in a fruit

or vegetable, it also puts the micronutrients. Humans forget

to do some things, but nature doesn't forget to put its

nutrients in its foods that are themselves made of living

things. All the vitamins a person needs in a year will fill

a thimble, and raw fruit easily provides that.

 

Ripe fruits provide their nutrients almost completely

predigested, and humans have evolved for that. Its the

reason why humans have such a weak digestive system, weaker

than most animals, if not all animals.

 

When a human returns to eating more fruit, they need to be

careful about eating too much fruit, since its rich juices

are very readily available, unlike other foods that are not

nearly as efficiently digested. As a health pursuing human

cleans out and heals, their digestive efficiency climbs, and

they need to slowly eat less. Greens and other plant foods do

not have readily bio-available nutrients for humans. For

example, humans secrete no cellulase, the enzyme required to

break down cellulose. All plant cells have cellulose cell

walls locking in their nutrients. Ripe fruit has no cellulose

walls, since the fruit has ripened its cellular structure into

broken down nutrients that are ready for absorption.

 

Nature doesn't supplement. Nature provides whole foods for

whole health, each creature evolved to eat its particular

type of diet. Supplements are wishful thinking. If supple-

ments were normal, natural foods, there would be supplement

trees, bushes, and plants growing all over. Nature and health

doesn't come in a pill, bottle, or powder. No salt shakers

come with a rabbit's clover, no dried powered garlic spices

up a foxe's meal of rabbit, and no Peruvian high mountain

dried weed grindings supplement an anteater's meal of choice.

 

Today's fruit provides abundant nutrients. If a claim is made

that fruit is deficient, than the same claim must be made for

every food that humans grow or make. Why isolate fruit? One

could easily say that since vegetables or domesticated animal

products are modified and thus deficient in nutrients, a

person should eat more fruit. All human cultivated foods

are modified to some degree from what nature produces in the

wild. It doesn't mean they are deficient. Supplements

are processed foods, and are much less bio-available than fresh,

whole, water-rich foods. They don't make things better. If a

whole food is deficient, a dried version of it will also be

deficient. In fact it will be doubly deficient - its severely

lacking in water, which reduces the availability of other

nutrients in the food.

 

B12 is a non-issue, a scare-the-cows issue. There's a saying

that farmers have - if the cows ain't scared, it isn't important.

 

The real issue is to eat according to one's evolutionary

biological predisposition. That means eating whole, raw,

human appropriate foods. Humans are frugivores. A frugivorous

diet for humans is mostly fruit, lesser variable quantities

of greens, juicy vegetables (like cucumbers, tomatoes, bell

peppers, celery), tubers, legumes, mushrooms, and even smaller

amounts of bugs and animal flesh/products, if any and only

sense (eg, taste, smell, touch) directed. No supplementation

is needed. Health is about eating whole foods, not

fractionated, irritating weeds and other non-human foods.

 

Nutrition isn't about belief. It's about giving the body what

the body is evolved to eat that suits its uncountable senses.

Senses don't believe, they sense and tell. Even as civilized

humans have mostly ignored and abused their dietary senses,

they can reacquaint themselves with their senses by starting

to listen to them more closely and following more natural,

normal habits.

 

I won't get into Doug Graham much, but I will say that when a

person eats too much fruit, especially when it's large daily

volumes of frozen fruit, along with many other harmful foods,

they can expect to get into health trouble. Doug had his share

of bad habits years ago to get over, which he has now gotten

over in great part. All people have their issues to face when

going raw, throughout the transition process. His problems

weren't b12 related, though he may have used that as an excuse

to avoid facing some of his other issues, which I'll refrain

from discussing. All of us civilized humans have problems to

resolve when health eating habits are pursued and old addictive

habits are faced.

 

It's often that those who are the least familiar or understand-

ing of a situation are the first to throw around vague

accusations and premature false judgements.

 

Doug Graham is also a male and a human, besides being a

hygienist, a " guru " as some might look to him as, and a

fruit eater. Does that mean that being a male and human

is also suspect because Doug took some unnecessary b12

shots? The particular things that Doug was doing wrong were

what were wrong, not that he was a new hygienist, a fruit

eater, or whatever. There are hundreds of millions of very

sick meat eaters, vegetarians, b12 supplement takers, other

supplement takers, and the lot in the world. What does one

make of that? Surely these folk are getting all their b12.

Is a claim being made that people who take b12 supplements,

or other supplements, are somehow the most healthy people in

the world? Where are all these fabuluosly healthy b12 and

supplement takers?

 

The symptom most often assoicated with b12 deficiency is

pernicious anemia. It's caused by a deficiency of Intrinsic

Factor in the stomach. It's a disease most frequently experi-

enced by meat eaters. Why? Because Intrinsic Factor is destroyed

in an acidic environment in the stomach. Cooked food, processed

food, or wrong food eating leads to overacidity. Meat digestion

requires a strong acid condition in the stomach and excessive

meat eating over-acidifies the stomach. Intrinsic Factor is

required in the small intestine for the absorption of b12.

The stomach over-produces Intrinsic Factor because the acidity

is destroying so much of it, and the glands that produce it

wear out. Hence b12 is not absorbed so well. Fortunately, b12

needs are extremely low, so once a diet is cleaned up and

correct eating practices are followed, the Intrinsic Factor/b12

issue clears up quickly. B12 deficiency is a meat eating problem,

not a fruit eating problem, in humans.

 

Overeating fruit brings its own problems. Overeating anything

brings problems, but fruit overeating will be felt quickly

because fruit is so easily and efficiently absorbed. Not much

food is needed in a healthy human. Overeating of heavy or

cooked foods usually brings sluggishness because the foods

require much energy to digest. OVereating fruit generally

causes light headedness because its juices are absorbed so

quickly and the bloodstream and brain are quickly overenergized.

The solution is to just not overeat, not to stop eating fruit.

Eat just enough, as hunger dictates, not false appetite, and

remain healthy.

 

Thoughtfully, Robert