Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Greetings everyone, While I appreciate everyone's knowledge and insights, I " believe " some comments, recently, were a bit harsh (or at least perceived that way by some on this list (including me). I realize the way some people address other members comments may vary (such as addressing them point by point vs. summarizing, etc.). I believe everyone has information of value to share to this list. However, when comments come across as condescending, sarcastic, or derogatory, the " truth " may get lost among the comments perceived as an attack or put down. While we each may not be responsible for how other people perceive our posts, we are still the ones writing our posts. Please, let's try to present our information, ideas, theories, etc. (whether proven or unproven) in a friendly, non-threatening, non-judgmental way. Let us also not get caught up in technicalities. If I believe someone has erred, I can clarify without chastising (some errors or omissions are, after all, made unintentionally.) As I mentioned before, we wish to keep a friendly atmosphere on this list, so people will feel welcome to post. There are a lot of people new to raw foods who may have very little knowledge of nutrition in any form. That may be why they are here. We created this list so those with more knowledge could share with those who are seeking that knowledge. Being a public list, when questions are asked, members of many different levels of knowledge and experience will answer. Within those " levels " are still a variety of different opinions. It is not my place to decide a select few who post. We have chosen, instead, to maintain a friendly environment for all members to share ideas. The readers can then follow the " truth " of their choosing. Different Ideas do not need to be argued out. Instead, people are able to see the truth (or lack thereof) in the various posts and test the theories on their own or do more research on their own. It is not for any one member to decide and/or dictate, for the list, which is and is not the truth. Feel free to share your views. Leave out the put-downs, condescension, sarcasm, etc. and allow your posts to stand on their own. We then may share our alternative beliefs, but let us not attack the individuals or their comments. We may read some information on this list that we do not like to hear. This does not mean it is not accurate. We each need to decide for ourselves which ideas are " truth " and which not. So, we do not need to tell others which are or are not truth. All we can really say is what we, individually, believe to be the truth. Of course, we can then share information as to why we believe certain things. (ie: I, personally, believe XYZ because...) (And let's stay on topic, but I digress...) Now... please... let's get back to civil discussions. Reminder: This is a " Raw " list, so... let's turn down the heat! Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 I appreciate your efforts as moderator, Jeff, and I find it unfortunate that you've obviously had to take some of the heat over recent threads. A state exists in the raw food movement today such that everything relative to diet that is obvious and self-evident is regarded as debatable and a matter of opinion. People don't seem to recognize that just as truth can be known in a court of law or in a properly conducted scientific experiment, it can be known with regard to our appropriate diet as well. The confusion begins when transitioning raw fooders who are all in different conditions find that they need certain foods in transition that others claim are harmful. Since we all like our beliefs to line up with our behaviors, our tendency is to resist the information that the foods are harmful. A more constructive attitude would be to realize that transition is all about temporary compromise for the sake of long-term success, and that eating foods that stray from optimal is expected and necessary. Some will even choose to eat 'transitional' foods forever, and pay the consequences, and that's their choice. For those who do want to keep making progress with their health, it's important to be able to get information about what leads to that. Ultimately, just as the conditions that produce health in rattlesnakes and raccoons don't vary greatly from individual to individual, the same factors that create health in one human will create it in another. Robert has generously been showing us how we can determine what those conditions are, by truly reliable means. The fact that things get heated and controversial is only a testament to how emotionally attached we are to our ideas and our eating habits. The courage of those who know this but choose to risk derision and post anyway should be appreciated. Gratefully, Nora www.RawSchool.com - Jeff Rogers Raw Seattle Monday, July 10, 2006 10:07 PM [RawSeattle] More " heat " on the list Greetings everyone, While I appreciate everyone's knowledge and insights, I " believe " some comments, recently, were a bit harsh (or at least perceived that way by some on this list (including me). I realize the way some people address other members comments may vary (such as addressing them point by point vs. summarizing, etc.). I believe everyone has information of value to share to this list. However, when comments come across as condescending, sarcastic, or derogatory, the " truth " may get lost among the comments perceived as an attack or put down. While we each may not be responsible for how other people perceive our posts, we are still the ones writing our posts. Please, let's try to present our information, ideas, theories, etc. (whether proven or unproven) in a friendly, non-threatening, non-judgmental way. Let us also not get caught up in technicalities. If I believe someone has erred, I can clarify without chastising (some errors or omissions are, after all, made unintentionally.) As I mentioned before, we wish to keep a friendly atmosphere on this list, so people will feel welcome to post. There are a lot of people new to raw foods who may have very little knowledge of nutrition in any form. That may be why they are here. We created this list so those with more knowledge could share with those who are seeking that knowledge. Being a public list, when questions are asked, members of many different levels of knowledge and experience will answer. Within those " levels " are still a variety of different opinions. It is not my place to decide a select few who post. We have chosen, instead, to maintain a friendly environment for all members to share ideas. The readers can then follow the " truth " of their choosing. Different Ideas do not need to be argued out. Instead, people are able to see the truth (or lack thereof) in the various posts and test the theories on their own or do more research on their own. It is not for any one member to decide and/or dictate, for the list, which is and is not the truth. Feel free to share your views. Leave out the put-downs, condescension, sarcasm, etc. and allow your posts to stand on their own. We then may share our alternative beliefs, but let us not attack the individuals or their comments. We may read some information on this list that we do not like to hear. This does not mean it is not accurate. We each need to decide for ourselves which ideas are " truth " and which not. So, we do not need to tell others which are or are not truth. All we can really say is what we, individually, believe to be the truth. Of course, we can then share information as to why we believe certain things. (ie: I, personally, believe XYZ because...) (And let's stay on topic, but I digress...) Now... please... let's get back to civil discussions. Reminder: This is a " Raw " list, so... let's turn down the heat! Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 Nora, Good points. I also realize that individuals may have a variety of food cravings and food addictions that they may need to overcome to gain optimal health (unless of course they happen to have cravings for raw organic greens.) People may also have emotional attachments to food. Most of us have been taught, likely with good intentions, by loving family and friends how we should eat. By shunning those foods, which we may now be told are not optimal, we may feel we are betraying those loving people or suggesting they were wrong or doing a bad " job " at teaching us. I don't feel a strong attachment to this concept, but certainly see how people can struggle to let go of previously learned eating habits. I, personally, set out away from family and friends (dietarily) in order to feel more optimal, overcome disease, and get off of prescriptions! Anyway, thank you for your post. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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