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I hear a lot of people say that after being raw awhile they are not

as prone to disagreements and debates. What do many of you attribute

this to? Is it just feeling better in your skin or is it a mental

type of calm or other? There must be a connection because I've heard

it many times. Looking forward to the experience.

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While that may be a tendency that is supported by going raw, I do have to say

I've met some very intense raw foodists; I would just say don't be surprised to

see the full range of human emotion in those you meet, no matter what they eat!

I know I've been feeling more even-keeled, better able to cope with what comes

my way. However, I'm only a short-termer so far. It would be nice to see if

there really is a connection that way, but I guess that will only come in time.

 

Peace,

Valerie

 

sunflowersupreme <no_reply > wrote:

 

I hear a lot of people say that after being raw awhile they are not

as prone to disagreements and debates. What do many of you attribute

this to? Is it just feeling better in your skin or is it a mental

type of calm or other? There must be a connection because I've heard

it many times. Looking forward to the experience.

 

 

 

 

 

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I'd have to say I'm not in this group. For better of for worse I have

always been outspoken. Maybe I need to tone down some or learn tact.

Now more than ever I see how many lies are propagated

in the world from giant business such as pharmacutical companys,

food companys, etc. I see many people who are mislead. I feel more

outspoked to try to wake people up. It is sad to see how many people

that are being duped into suporting these companys. I see it first

hand in my family. The older ones are usually on the heavy side and

many on medication.

 

I do my best to try to show them there are other ways of taking care of

yourself. I try get them to read stuff that will hopefully get them thinking

and questioning the status quo.

 

There is also a lot of misinformatino in the raw food world. How many

people are keep saying they are 'detoxing' when they are really truly sick

from some form of malnutrition.

 

This also scares me. I think I am doing the right thing for my health by

eating a diet very high in raw freash fruit. I am adjusting as I go but

it seems like there are so many opposing views. Some things are individual

issues that may have different answers for different people. Other things

are absoulutly apply to every human.

 

When two people disagree on a something like the later they are either both

wrong or one is wrong and one right, but they can't both me right on things

that have an absoulte answer.

 

Reading stories of people who have lost teeth and done irreversable nerve

damage make me really want to find out what is right.

 

 

 

On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 02:49:30PM -0800, Valerie Mills Daly wrote:

>

> While that may be a tendency that is supported by going raw, I do have to say

I've met some very intense raw foodists; I would just say don't be surprised to

see the full range of human emotion in those you meet, no matter what they eat!

I know I've been feeling more even-keeled, better able to cope with what comes

my way. However, I'm only a short-termer so far. It would be nice to see if

there really is a connection that way, but I guess that will only come in time.

>

> Peace,

> Valerie

>

> sunflowersupreme <no_reply > wrote:

>

> I hear a lot of people say that after being raw awhile they are not

> as prone to disagreements and debates. What do many of you attribute

> this to? Is it just feeling better in your skin or is it a mental

> type of calm or other? There must be a connection because I've heard

> it many times. Looking forward to the experience.

>

>

>

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rawfood , johnd <john@j...> wrote:

> There is also a lot of misinformatino in the raw food world. How

many

> people are keep saying they are 'detoxing' when they are really

truly sick

> from some form of malnutrition.

>

I'm detoxing right now, trying to stay raw. I eat plenty of raw

vegetables, fruits and raw nuts so I don't believe I could suffer

from malnutrition.

 

> This also scares me. I think I am doing the right thing for my

health by

> eating a diet very high in raw freash fruit. I am adjusting as I

go but

> it seems like there are so many opposing views. Some things are

individual

> issues that may have different answers for different people. Other

things

> are absoulutly apply to every human.

 

Fruit is the tastiest. It would be nice if I could eat just fruit,

but I just can't believe that only sugary things are a healthy diet.

Of course, not everything with a seed is sugary, I eat a lot of

avocadoes.

 

> On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 02:49:30PM -0800, Valerie Mills Daly wrote:

> >

> > While that may be a tendency that is supported by going raw, I do

have to say I've met some very intense raw foodists; I would just say

don't be surprised to see the full range of human emotion in those

you meet, no matter what they eat! I know I've been feeling more

even-keeled, better able to cope with what comes my way. However, I'm

only a short-termer so far. It would be nice to see if there really

is a connection that way, but I guess that will only come in time.

 

I consider myself very intense emotionally and spiritually.

 

> > sunflowersupreme <no_reply > wrote:

> >

> > I hear a lot of people say that after being raw awhile they are

not

> > as prone to disagreements and debates. What do many of you

attribute

> > this to? Is it just feeling better in your skin or is it a mental

> > type of calm or other? There must be a connection because I've

heard

> > it many times. Looking forward to the experience.

 

There is definitely a mental type of calm that comes from being raw,

but it's wrapped in a calm intensity.

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I'll keep my eyes open, or better yet, just keep in eye on myself.

lol :) This is a little off topic, but I notice that when I eat

processed foods now I have a crawling sensation under my skin. Well,

not crawling, kind of itchy. Has anyone else experienced this?

 

rawfood , Valerie Mills Daly <valdaly>

wrote:

> While that may be a tendency that is supported by going raw, I do

have to say I've met some very intense raw foodists; I would just say

don't be surprised to see the full range of human emotion in those

you meet, no matter what they eat! I know I've been feeling more

even-keeled, better able to cope with what comes my way. However, I'm

only a short-termer so far. It would be nice to see if there really

is a connection that way, but I guess that will only come in time.

>

> Peace,

> Valerie

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I theorize that there is a " letting go " necessary to be successful

at overcoming multiple addictions. Once we learn to do it on

multiple addictions, then we can more easily do it with people, who

are also an addiction for many of us.

 

That's my theory. I'm 61 years old and just now getting to the

point that I don't have to fight the world and everybody in it. My

ego is getting small enough now that what goes on in Iraq, India and

Ohio doesn't bother me so much as it did when my ego was bigger.

 

Ron

 

 

rawfood , sunflowersupreme <no_reply>

wrote:

>

> I hear a lot of people say that after being raw awhile they are

not

> as prone to disagreements and debates. What do many of you

attribute

> this to? Is it just feeling better in your skin or is it a mental

> type of calm or other? There must be a connection because I've

heard

> it many times. Looking forward to the experience.

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John,

 

You can't change the world, buddy! You can't even change one person

in it! Give it up, buddy! You're dreamin' if you think you are

going to change anybody!

 

Well, the only person you can change is yourself. . . and I venture

to say that you would be surprised how difficult that is! If you

care to try it.

 

Ron

rawfood , johnd <john@j...> wrote:

> I'd have to say I'm not in this group. For better of for worse I

have

> always been outspoken. Maybe I need to tone down some or learn

tact.

> Now more than ever I see how many lies are propagated

> in the world from giant business such as pharmacutical companys,

> food companys, etc. I see many people who are mislead. I feel

more

> outspoked to try to wake people up. It is sad to see how many

people

> that are being duped into suporting these companys. I see it first

> hand in my family. The older ones are usually on the heavy side

and

> many on medication.

>

> I do my best to try to show them there are other ways of taking

care of

> yourself. I try get them to read stuff that will hopefully get

them thinking

> and questioning the status quo.

>

> There is also a lot of misinformatino in the raw food world. How

many

> people are keep saying they are 'detoxing' when they are really

truly sick

> from some form of malnutrition.

>

> This also scares me. I think I am doing the right thing for my

health by

> eating a diet very high in raw freash fruit. I am adjusting as I

go but

> it seems like there are so many opposing views. Some things are

individual

> issues that may have different answers for different people.

Other things

> are absoulutly apply to every human.

>

> When two people disagree on a something like the later they are

either both

> wrong or one is wrong and one right, but they can't both me right

on things

> that have an absoulte answer.

>

> Reading stories of people who have lost teeth and done

irreversable nerve

> damage make me really want to find out what is right.

>

>

>

> On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 02:49:30PM -0800, Valerie Mills Daly wrote:

> >

> > While that may be a tendency that is supported by going raw, I

do have to say I've met some very intense raw foodists; I would just

say don't be surprised to see the full range of human emotion in

those you meet, no matter what they eat! I know I've been feeling

more even-keeled, better able to cope with what comes my way.

However, I'm only a short-termer so far. It would be nice to see if

there really is a connection that way, but I guess that will only

come in time.

> >

> > Peace,

> > Valerie

> >

> > sunflowersupreme <no_reply > wrote:

> >

> > I hear a lot of people say that after being raw awhile they are

not

> > as prone to disagreements and debates. What do many of you

attribute

> > this to? Is it just feeling better in your skin or is it a

mental

> > type of calm or other? There must be a connection because I've

heard

> > it many times. Looking forward to the experience.

> >

> >

> >

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I would get that when eating potatoes and any kind of grain product. It was

rather weird!

 

sunflowersupreme <no_reply > wrote:

I'll keep my eyes open, or better yet, just keep in eye on myself.

lol :) This is a little off topic, but I notice that when I eat

processed foods now I have a crawling sensation under my skin. Well,

not crawling, kind of itchy. Has anyone else experienced this?

 

 

 

 

 

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Same here, I'm still transitioning to raw foods, but the last time I

tried a piece of cooked cornbread and baked potatoe I had this

problem. I agree it was weird and irritating. I couldn't shake the

urge to scratch all over my body.

 

rawfood , Valerie Mills Daly <valdaly>

wrote:

> I would get that when eating potatoes and any kind of grain

product. It was rather weird!

>

> sunflowersupreme <no_reply > wrote:

> I'll keep my eyes open, or better yet, just keep in eye on myself.

> lol :) This is a little off topic, but I notice that when I eat

> processed foods now I have a crawling sensation under my skin.

Well,

> not crawling, kind of itchy. Has anyone else experienced this?

>

>

>

>

>

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It's a shame you feel this way. If more people felt this like you we'd

be making no progress at all. I've seen people change. There are many

open people looking for a better way. I try to teach people how to

learn about what to eat and most of all I try to teach people to teach

others.

I'm not dreaming, I'm doing it. I impacted may people around me.

On Dec 21, 2004, at 6:48 PM, rlmftw wrote:

 

>

>

>

> John,

>

> You can't change the world, buddy! You can't even change one person

> in it! Give it up, buddy! You're dreamin' if you think you are

> going to change anybody!

>

> Well, the only person you can change is yourself. . . and I venture

> to say that you would be surprised how difficult that is! If you

> care to try it.

>

> Ron

> rawfood , johnd <john@j...> wrote:

>> I'd have to say I'm not in this group. For better of for worse I

> have

>> always been outspoken. Maybe I need to tone down some or learn

> tact.

>> Now more than ever I see how many lies are propagated

>> in the world from giant business such as pharmacutical companys,

>> food companys, etc. I see many people who are mislead. I feel

> more

>> outspoked to try to wake people up. It is sad to see how many

> people

>> that are being duped into suporting these companys. I see it first

>> hand in my family. The older ones are usually on the heavy side

> and

>> many on medication.

>>

>> I do my best to try to show them there are other ways of taking

> care of

>> yourself. I try get them to read stuff that will hopefully get

> them thinking

>> and questioning the status quo.

>>

>> There is also a lot of misinformatino in the raw food world. How

> many

>> people are keep saying they are 'detoxing' when they are really

> truly sick

>> from some form of malnutrition.

>>

>> This also scares me. I think I am doing the right thing for my

> health by

>> eating a diet very high in raw freash fruit. I am adjusting as I

> go but

>> it seems like there are so many opposing views. Some things are

> individual

>> issues that may have different answers for different people.

> Other things

>> are absoulutly apply to every human.

>>

>> When two people disagree on a something like the later they are

> either both

>> wrong or one is wrong and one right, but they can't both me right

> on things

>> that have an absoulte answer.

>>

>> Reading stories of people who have lost teeth and done

> irreversable nerve

>> damage make me really want to find out what is right.

>>

>>

>>

>> On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 02:49:30PM -0800, Valerie Mills Daly wrote:

>>>

>>> While that may be a tendency that is supported by going raw, I

> do have to say I've met some very intense raw foodists; I would just

> say don't be surprised to see the full range of human emotion in

> those you meet, no matter what they eat! I know I've been feeling

> more even-keeled, better able to cope with what comes my way.

> However, I'm only a short-termer so far. It would be nice to see if

> there really is a connection that way, but I guess that will only

> come in time.

>>>

>>> Peace,

>>> Valerie

>>>

>>> sunflowersupreme <no_reply > wrote:

>>>

>>> I hear a lot of people say that after being raw awhile they are

> not

>>> as prone to disagreements and debates. What do many of you

> attribute

>>> this to? Is it just feeling better in your skin or is it a

> mental

>>> type of calm or other? There must be a connection because I've

> heard

>>> it many times. Looking forward to the experience.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>

>

>

>

 

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That is an excellent point, Ron.

 

rlmftw <rlmftw wrote:

 

I theorize that there is a " letting go " necessary to be successful

at overcoming multiple addictions. Once we learn to do it on

multiple addictions, then we can more easily do it with people, who

are also an addiction for many of us.

 

That's my theory. I'm 61 years old and just now getting to the

point that I don't have to fight the world and everybody in it. My

ego is getting small enough now that what goes on in Iraq, India and

Ohio doesn't bother me so much as it did when my ego was bigger.

 

Ron

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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A woman I know from another who has done raw food for a few years

now said that for her entire first year or longer she had problems with itching

all over her body; she thinks it just may have been the way her body was

reacting to the changes in her eating and lifestyle. She is fine now, but it

took a while.

 

sunflowersupreme <no_reply > wrote:

Same here, I'm still transitioning to raw foods, but the last time I

tried a piece of cooked cornbread and baked potatoe I had this

problem. I agree it was weird and irritating. I couldn't shake the

urge to scratch all over my body.

 

 

 

 

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I see I am not alone in itching. My back looks so bad. The bottom of my foot

has finally stopped itching. I have tried several natural soothing remedies but

I will be glad when this phase is over.

 

Darcia

 

Valerie Mills Daly <valdaly wrote:

A woman I know from another who has done raw food for a few years

now said that for her entire first year or longer she had problems with itching

all over her body; she thinks it just may have been the way her body was

reacting to the changes in her eating and lifestyle. She is fine now, but it

took a while.

 

 

 

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I think one of the things being said is that while you can offer information and

hope that change will occur, it can only happen if people are willing to change;

you cannot force it. It's great when people respond positively to what you are

offering; just don't be surprised when they don't.

 

Humility is probably part of the key here as well; we are all learning, what we

know is constantly being refined and adjusted as we learn new information, and

being willing to change how we see things is very important as we go along. Even

as teachers, we remain students.

 

Peace,

Valerie

 

John de la Garza <john wrote:

It's a shame you feel this way. If more people felt this like you we'd

be making no progress at all. I've seen people change. There are many

open people looking for a better way. I try to teach people how to

learn about what to eat and most of all I try to teach people to teach

others.

I'm not dreaming, I'm doing it. I impacted may people around me.

On Dec 21, 2004, at 6:48 PM, rlmftw wrote:

 

>

>

>

> John,

>

> You can't change the world, buddy! You can't even change one person

> in it! Give it up, buddy! You're dreamin' if you think you are

> going to change anybody!

>

> Well, the only person you can change is yourself. . . and I venture

> to say that you would be surprised how difficult that is! If you

> care to try it.

>

> Ron

 

 

 

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Oh, Darcia, I know what you mean! My feet were the worst part of my own

problem--agonies!! But that has ended, and I think you will continue to see

improvement.

 

Peace,

Valerie

 

Darcia Dillard <mrsdill wrote:

I see I am not alone in itching. My back looks so bad. The bottom of my foot

has finally stopped itching. I have tried several natural soothing remedies but

I will be glad when this phase is over.

 

Darcia

 

Valerie Mills Daly <valdaly wrote:

A woman I know from another who has done raw food for a few years

now said that for her entire first year or longer she had problems with itching

all over her body; she thinks it just may have been the way her body was

reacting to the changes in her eating and lifestyle. She is fine now, but it

took a while.

 

 

 

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But my whole point is there are many people right now that are looking to

change their eating habbits but are confused. They don't know if they should

be vegetarian or low carb or this or that.

 

I agree you can't force people to change that usually doesn't work. But to

think that you can have zero impact so don't even try 'changing' people is not

the way to go. If you come across the right people you can help them to make

life impacting changes. I've seen this in my curent life. My Dad is

actually shifting to a 50/50 diet of raw and my mom could follow. I am

directly responsible for these changes. My room mate who smokes 1 and a half

packs a day went %100 for a week and is no about %60 raw. I have many friends

that are seriously consider the stuff I tell them about raw. They are

thinking that it actually makes sense.

 

I feel like a raw food evangilist. People also know me for that at my job and

sometimes other peple get refered to me. I have people comming up to me

saying 'so and so told me you are into nutrition, bla bla bla' and I'm always

glad to try to help them.

 

This may seem odd, but I consider my selft humble. I never will stick to one

side of an argument once I see I'm wrong. I like losing debates, because

it means I really learned something.

 

The problem is that sometimes being really passonate about something can

come across as pushy and I need to contain myself. I have upset peple

I live with my being pushy and know that is an issue for me.

 

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 06:44:01AM -0800, Valerie Mills Daly wrote:

>

> I think one of the things being said is that while you can offer information

and hope that change will occur, it can only happen if people are willing to

change; you cannot force it. It's great when people respond positively to what

you are offering; just don't be surprised when they don't.

>

> Humility is probably part of the key here as well; we are all learning, what

we know is constantly being refined and adjusted as we learn new information,

and being willing to change how we see things is very important as we go along.

Even as teachers, we remain students.

>

> Peace,

> Valerie

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But I guess that's my point as well; these folks are ready, they are looking for

change. It looks like you are in the right place at the right time for a lot of

folks. I'm not saying that we do not impact lives; only that we cannot force

that change. Noone is saying that we don't affect other people, or that we

should not try; only that you cannot make people change.

 

And while you may be a pivotal person for some of these folks in making this

change, remember that you are only a part of their journey. Things have happened

in their lives to prepare them to come to the point of making this change, and

other things will follow. It is good that you are honoring the place you and

they are at right now; and it looks like you are open to learning and open to

what comes.

 

Peace,

Valerie

 

johnd <john wrote:

But my whole point is there are many people right now that are looking to

change their eating habbits but are confused. They don't know if they should

be vegetarian or low carb or this or that.

 

I agree you can't force people to change that usually doesn't work. But to

think that you can have zero impact so don't even try 'changing' people is not

the way to go. If you come across the right people you can help them to make

life impacting changes. I've seen this in my curent life. My Dad is

actually shifting to a 50/50 diet of raw and my mom could follow. I am

directly responsible for these changes. My room mate who smokes 1 and a half

packs a day went %100 for a week and is no about %60 raw. I have many friends

that are seriously consider the stuff I tell them about raw. They are

thinking that it actually makes sense.

 

I feel like a raw food evangilist. People also know me for that at my job and

sometimes other peple get refered to me. I have people comming up to me

saying 'so and so told me you are into nutrition, bla bla bla' and I'm always

glad to try to help them.

 

This may seem odd, but I consider my selft humble. I never will stick to one

side of an argument once I see I'm wrong. I like losing debates, because

it means I really learned something.

 

The problem is that sometimes being really passonate about something can

come across as pushy and I need to contain myself. I have upset peple

I live with my being pushy and know that is an issue for me.

 

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 06:44:01AM -0800, Valerie Mills Daly wrote:

>

> I think one of the things being said is that while you can offer information

and hope that change will occur, it can only happen if people are willing to

change; you cannot force it. It's great when people respond positively to what

you are offering; just don't be surprised when they don't.

>

> Humility is probably part of the key here as well; we are all learning, what

we know is constantly being refined and adjusted as we learn new information,

and being willing to change how we see things is very important as we go along.

Even as teachers, we remain students.

>

> Peace,

> Valerie

 

 

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Ron those may have only been two words, but " letting go " does

summarize it all. Our actions really are under our control at all

times. Maybe the return to a healthier and more natural lifestyle

makes it easier to grasp that fact. Thanks for sharing. :)

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Valerie I read once that the lymphatic system is unable to work

efficiently in a body filled with processed and denatured foods. I

wonder if that system works up and starts working aggressively to

clean the body when we transition to better nutrition. Maybe that is

what causes the itching. The lymphatic system does expel of waste

through the blood stream. I dunno, just a thought.

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I really don't know Sun. Wish I had an answer to that - but for me

it seems that I handle stress better - actually, I've not spent any

time trying to analyze it. My life hasn't changed with regard to

job, location, relationship, etc ... the only major change has been

my diet, so I've nothing else to attribute it to.

 

Maybe it is just the calm that comes with knowing I'm doing

something wonderful for my body, for me, and it is completely within

my control. ... then progresses to the nutritional benefit that is

going on within. ????

 

cheers

terry

 

 

rawfood , sunflowersupreme <no_reply>

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> I hear a lot of people say that after being raw awhile they are

not

> as prone to disagreements and debates. What do many of you

attribute

> this to? Is it just feeling better in your skin or is it a mental

> type of calm or other? There must be a connection because I've

heard

> it many times. Looking forward to the experience.

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Hi Sun,

Do you know where you read that? My FIL has lymphoma and we are seeking all

scientific studies to support diet change as possible.

Thank you!

/m

 

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Valerie I read once that the lymphatic system is unable to work

efficiently in a body filled with processed and denatured foods. I

wonder if that system works up and starts working aggressively to

clean the body when we transition to better nutrition. Maybe that is

what causes the itching. The lymphatic system does expel of waste

through the blood stream. I dunno, just a thought.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Michele, I read the article here on the internet, but

unfortunately can't remember where. I do know it was an article that

discussed how the PH level in an acidic body prevents the lymphatic

system from working efficiently and that itching " may " be a sign that

histamines have been released as an allergic reaction.

 

That is why I'm curious how transitioning to a raw food lifestyle may

increase this reaction. Is it because our bloodstream is now more

alkaline which makes the itching more obvious, or is it because a

more alkaline bloodstream allows the lymphatic system to move " more "

waste through the bloodstream which intensifies the itching?

 

I'm sure it's one of the above, but which? Maybe all huh? lol One

thing is for sure, if my body reacts that way only after eating

cooked acidic foods, and not to raw foods, that is a definite sign

I'm on the right track. :)

 

I'll do a search and if I come aross that article again I will post

here on the board.

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That could very well be. I'm actually sort of excited to see what the next years

of (hopefully unbiased!) research will reveal. You never know!

 

I know some folks encourage rebounding for assisting the lymph system in doing

its job; anyone here do that? I have a rebounder, but have not used it very much

at this point.

 

Peace,

Valerie

 

sunflowersupreme <no_reply > wrote:

 

 

Valerie I read once that the lymphatic system is unable to work

efficiently in a body filled with processed and denatured foods. I

wonder if that system works up and starts working aggressively to

clean the body when we transition to better nutrition. Maybe that is

what causes the itching. The lymphatic system does expel of waste

through the blood stream. I dunno, just a thought.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I recommend you try some anti-fungal cream on your foot. I had a

pretty bad case of chronic itching on the bottom of my right foot,

so I bought a tube of athlete's foot cream and put all over my foot

before going to bed. Then I put my foot in a plastic bag to keep

the lotion on it all night.

 

A week of these treatments cured the itching on the bottom of my

foot. It had nothing to do with my diet.

 

Ron

 

 

rawfood , Darcia Dillard <mrsdill@s...> wrote:

> I see I am not alone in itching. My back looks so bad. The

bottom of my foot has finally stopped itching. I have tried several

natural soothing remedies but I will be glad when this phase is over.

>

> Darcia

>

> Valerie Mills Daly <valdaly> wrote:

> A woman I know from another who has done raw food for

a few years now said that for her entire first year or longer she

had problems with itching all over her body; she thinks it just may

have been the way her body was reacting to the changes in her eating

and lifestyle. She is fine now, but it took a while.

>

>

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rawfood , sunflowersupreme <no_reply>

wrote:

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>

> Ron those may have only been two words, but " letting go " does

> summarize it all. Our actions really are under our control at all

> times. Maybe the return to a healthier and more natural lifestyle

> makes it easier to grasp that fact. Thanks for sharing. :)

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