Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 What can i do if my body keeps rejecting most fruits, veggies, and nuts? The only thing i've eaten for years are meat starches and loads of sugar. I can eat some acidic or sweet fruits like oranges and pineapples or cooked starchy veggies like corn and potatos, but everything else makes my body regurgiate even more so when when the foods are raw and in their natural state. There is no way i can be a raw vegan if this keeps happening. Does anyone have answers for me? I tried eating a canteloupe the other day and the moment I swallowed it I threw up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Hi, I am surprised that no-one has responded to your e-mail. This is not a rejection of the food as such. It is right action. As soon as you place a food in your body which does not inhibit the body from acting as it should, such as is the case with raw food, then it immediately says to us, we do not need more food at this time, and ejects it. It is saying we should fast and rest until such time as there is a desire for food in its whole raw state. And then it will not be rejected. Every mouthful will be savoured. John John L. Fielder DO,DC,ND(Adel) Osteopath & Lifestyle Consultant www.iig.com.au/anl - quinsetta22 rawfood Tuesday, December 07, 2004 8:52 AM [Raw Food] Re: Body rejecting healthy foods I guess my question was more complicated than I thought. Since know one here has any answers or suggestions for me, does anyone know of another group or message board with long term raw foodists who might be able to help? Thank You Here was my previous question: > What can i do if my body keeps rejecting most fruits, veggies, and > nuts? The only thing i've eaten for years are meat starches and loads > of sugar. I can eat some acidic or sweet fruits like oranges and > pineapples or cooked starchy veggies like corn and potatos, but > everything else makes my body regurgiate even more so when when the > foods are raw and in their natural state. There is no way i can be a > raw vegan if this keeps happening. Does anyone have answers for me? I > tried eating a canteloupe the other day and the moment I swallowed it > I threw up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 rawfood , quinsetta22 <no_reply> wrote: > > > What can i do if my body keeps rejecting most fruits, veggies, and > nuts? The only thing i've eaten for years are meat starches and loads > of sugar. I can eat some acidic or sweet fruits like oranges and > pineapples or cooked starchy veggies like corn and potatos, but > everything else makes my body regurgiate even more so when when the > foods are raw and in their natural state. There is no way i can be a > raw vegan if this keeps happening. Does anyone have answers for me? I > tried eating a canteloupe the other day and the moment I swallowed it > I threw up. I would go to the doctor, perhaps, and get a full checkup. That doesn't sound right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 I guess my question was more complicated than I thought. Since know one here has any answers or suggestions for me, does anyone know of another group or message board with long term raw foodists who might be able to help? Thank You Here was my previous question: > What can i do if my body keeps rejecting most fruits, veggies, and > nuts? The only thing i've eaten for years are meat starches and loads > of sugar. I can eat some acidic or sweet fruits like oranges and > pineapples or cooked starchy veggies like corn and potatos, but > everything else makes my body regurgiate even more so when when the > foods are raw and in their natural state. There is no way i can be a > raw vegan if this keeps happening. Does anyone have answers for me? I > tried eating a canteloupe the other day and the moment I swallowed it > I threw up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Here is what I believe is the answer to your question: since you had such a poor diet for so long, your body is not well. And it is not used to good food. My suggestion is to steam your vegetables (eat little to no meat), and gradually introduce raw vegetables and fruits to your diet to eventually make a total switch to raw. Be sure to drink lots of pure water and herb teas between meals. Also try mixing vegetable and fruit juices in with some pure water. Be sure that you juice these fresh. Then eventually you can drink them straight from the juicer as your body adjusts. Fresh juices are powerful and I'm guessing your body needs them diluted at first. Get a juicing book. If you go to a doctor they will just try to give you drugs that will mask your problems not cure them. Let your body adjust naturally. Aloe vera juice is very soothing to the digestive system and you can drink it undiluted. Start with a little at a time. It will heal and soothe your tissues. Thats a good start, I think. Diana of Dewberry Hill I guess my question was more complicated than I thought. Since know one here has any answers or suggestions for me, does anyone know of another group or message board with long term raw foodists who might be able to help? Thank You Here was my previous question: > What can i do if my body keeps rejecting most fruits, veggies, and > nuts? The only thing i've eaten for years are meat starches and loads > of sugar. I can eat some acidic or sweet fruits like oranges and > pineapples or cooked starchy veggies like corn and potatos, but > everything else makes my body regurgiate even more so when when the > foods are raw and in their natural state. There is no way i can be a > raw vegan if this keeps happening. Does anyone have answers for me? I > tried eating a canteloupe the other day and the moment I swallowed it > I threw up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Hi Diana, thanks for helping me. Yesterday I emailed a few natropathic doctors and many of them suggested the same. Most advised I go on a juice fast to cleanse first, try more of a cooked vegan diet, and then transition to raw foods. Of course they will need to see me in person to be sure. I'm hoping to find a solution that I can work with on my own before spending money to see more professionals. I will give all of this a try and if it doesn't work I plan to go see a ND. According to western doctors, other than being lactose intolerant they don't see anything. I've had blood, urine, and all type of other tests. ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Hi, I've had a full checkup and physically there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with me except the obesity and lactose intolerance. And the reason I'm obese is because I've eaten the wrong foods for years, and lactose intolerance is not really a big deal because I don't plan to eat dairy anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Diana you're also right about traditional doctors. They have offered me meds for the skin rashes and other physical symptoms, anti depressents because of the lack of energy(that even i know is because of poor diet and I don't have a degree), and meds to increase my energy(speed), but they are not willing or able to tell me why these symptoms are here in the first place. One doctor even had the nerve to ask me if I was sure I threw up. As if I imagined bending over the toilet and throwing up. He made me so mad I just walked out and left him there looking silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 rawfood , Diana of Dewberry Hill <cozad76078> wrote: > Here is what I believe is the answer to your question: since you had such a poor diet for so long, your body is not well. And it is not used to good food. My suggestion is to steam your vegetables (eat little to no meat), and gradually introduce raw vegetables and fruits to your diet to eventually make a total switch to raw. Be sure to drink lots of pure water and herb teas between meals. Also try mixing vegetable and fruit juices in with some pure water. Be sure that you juice these fresh. Then eventually you can drink them straight from the juicer as your body adjusts. Fresh juices are powerful and I'm guessing your body needs them diluted at first. Get a juicing book. If you go to a doctor they will just try to give you drugs that will mask your problems not cure them. Let your body adjust naturally. Aloe vera juice is very soothing to the digestive system and you can drink it undiluted. Start with a little at a time. It will heal and soothe your tissues. > Thats a good start, I think. > Diana of Dewberry Hill I would recommend to him to go to the doctor to make sure there isn't something really wrong, not to just get drugged. You know, like, get some blood tests done. I think dropping all meat immediately may also be drastic. He may need to ease into eating more cooked vegetables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 First of all, cantelope is very hard to digest and alot of people have mild to severe allergies to melons. You are not crazy that it made you throw up. Have you tried avocado? That is really healing on your belly. Bananas, are also healing. Have you tried lightly steaming vegies, baking squashes and sweet potatoes? I am slightly allergic to kiwis, which sucks because I love them to death! I would start by eliminating all dairy and bread and whaet products(as well as animal) from your diet. By yourself some good quality flax oil (organic if possible) and/or extra pressed olive oil. Avoid white potatoes and corn, they have almost no nutrional value. If you want starch, sweet potaties and yams are great! Bake them and when they come out use flax oil instead of butter! How are you with salad? Just lettuce (do not eat iceburg! Especially non organic) and lemon and flax oil? Apples, can you eat them? How about dates? Have you tried soaking nuts or seeds(sunflower or pumpkin) over night, draining the water and then blending the nuts up? That is a simple nut cheese, it is good to add some celery and herbs for flavor as well. It might not be as hard on your belly as straight nuts. What about dates or mangoes, can you eat those? Sorry about all the questions but I have some ideas if you can email me back I'd love to give you some insight!! mikaela I > > tried eating a canteloupe the other day and the moment I swallowed > it > > I threw up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 http://health.nutrition-for-life/ The above group has a doctor as the owner that probally could answer your questions Nicholas quinsetta22 <no_reply > wrote: I guess my question was more complicated than I thought. Since know one here has any answers or suggestions for me, does anyone know of another group or message board with long term raw foodists who might be able to help? Thank You Here was my previous question: > What can i do if my body keeps rejecting most fruits, veggies, and > nuts? The only thing i've eaten for years are meat starches and loads > of sugar. I can eat some acidic or sweet fruits like oranges and > pineapples or cooked starchy veggies like corn and potatos, but > everything else makes my body regurgiate even more so when when the > foods are raw and in their natural state. There is no way i can be a > raw vegan if this keeps happening. Does anyone have answers for me? I > tried eating a canteloupe the other day and the moment I swallowed it > I threw up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Vitiam d helps to loss weight. Read this article at this web site http://www.healself.org/sun.html quinsetta22 <no_reply > wrote: Hi, I've had a full checkup and physically there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with me except the obesity and lactose intolerance. And the reason I'm obese is because I've eaten the wrong foods for years, and lactose intolerance is not really a big deal because I don't plan to eat dairy anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Kohlrabi I responded to your previous message concerning medical testing. I've seen many doctors, taken many blood tests, even mri's. The traditional doctors don't see anything wrong with me except for obesity and lactose intolerance. I don't have high blood pressure, diabetes, thyroid problems, ect ect. I believe the answer I'm looking for can not be found from traditional doctors who are only trained to treat symptoms. Had I listened to them in the past I would be on six different medications now. rawfood , " kohlrabi_croce " <kohlrabi_croce> wrote: > I would recommend to him to go to the doctor to make sure there isn't > something really wrong, not to just get drugged. You know, like, get > some blood tests done. I think dropping all meat immediately may also > be drastic. He may need to ease into eating more cooked vegetables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Hi John, I spoke with a natropathic doctor today via phone, and two others by email, and all three have stated the same. The problem may very well be that I am just moving to fast and need to start slowly or with a juice fast or similar cleanse. I will make some adjustments since it doesn't seem like I can make the complete change over night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Thank you Nicolas. I will visit the site tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 > First of all, cantelope is very hard to digest and alot of people > have mild to severe allergies to melons. You are not crazy that it > made you throw up. Have you tried avocado? That is really healing on your belly. Bananas, are also healing. Have you tried lightly > steaming vegies, baking squashes and sweet potatoes? Hi Mikaelashoney. Thank you for the assurance. I will definitely reserve melons for future use. Do you know what makes them so hard to digest? I have two avocados in the fridge but have not tried them yet, still trying to decide how to use it in a recipe. I did eat a small bowl of steamed broccoli yesterday and a banana. Both made me want to throw up slightly but I managed to keep them down by eating a small bit of peppermint afterwards. I will try the squash and sweet potatos since it looks like I'll have to go cooked vegan before 100% raw vegan. > > I am slightly allergic to kiwis, which sucks because I love them to death! I would start by eliminating all dairy and bread and whaet > products(as well as animal) from your diet. By yourself some good > quality flax oil (organic if possible) and/or extra pressed olive > oil. Avoid white potatoes and corn, they have almost no nutrional > value. If you want starch, sweet potaties and yams are great! Bake > them and when they come out use flax oil instead of butter! Thanks for these suggestions. I plan to go shopping again this weekend and I'll give them all a try. I think the kiwi's are not even that expensive which is a good thing. > > How are you with salad? Just lettuce (do not eat iceburg! > Especially non organic) and lemon and flax oil? If I eat lettuce alone(i bought romaine) it makes me throw up. But if I pour a little dressing over it I can stomach it somewhat better, still difficult to keep down, but better. :)I haven't tried the lemon and flax yet. > > Apples, can you eat them? How about dates? Have you tried soaking > nuts or seeds(sunflower or pumpkin) over night, draining the water > and then blending the nuts up? That is a simple nut cheese, it is > good to add some celery and herbs for flavor as well. It might not > be as hard on your belly as straight nuts. The green apples agree with my tummy better than the red. I'm afraid to try the dates because I've heard they're sweet and I have trouble controlling my sugar intake. Don't won't to go into a binge. Do I soak the nuts/seeds in the fridge or can I leave the out on the counter top? Also, how can I tell when seeds/nuts are raw or cooked. The local grocery store keeps them all in a huge barrel but it doesn't tell if they raw or not. > > What about dates or mangoes, can you eat those? Sorry about all the > questions but I have some ideas if you can email me back I'd love to > give you some insight!! I have a mango in the fridge but haven't tried it yet. I went out last week and bought tons of fruits and veggies but I'm starving because very few items stay in my stomach. I'll find a simple recipe for the mango also and give that a try. Thanks again Mikaelashoney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Remember doctors can only give you a diagnosis. If they prescribe expensive drugs for you to take, then that is another poison your body will need to detoxify from. A natural doctor will only tell you natural things to do. You can save a bundle and just eat right and use herbs and get fresh air and exercise. Most people believe in the doctors...but I believe that God heals through natural means and faith is a great healer, too. So I stand by the transitioning into raw foods for you, as I suggested. I don't always know what's ailing me, but if I do natural things I'm always healed. Doctors go out of business with me because I'd rather save the money I'd spend on them and spend it on good foods instead. Some fasting, some juicing, lots of organic fresh fruits, veggies, soaked/sprouted seeds, nuts and good virgin oils...pure water...herbal teas. Big smile, help others, you WILL get well. If what I say rings true, fine...otherwise, follow doctors, you may pay them to tell you the same thing. Hugs, Diana of Dewberry Hill (after all I'm still " green " , only two weeks all raw, but really got the hang of it! and love fitting into my old jeans again!) " quinsetta22 " , you said: Hi Diana, thanks for helping me. Yesterday I emailed a few natropathic doctors and many of them suggested the same. Most advised I go on a juice fast to cleanse first, try more of a cooked vegan diet, and then transition to raw foods. Of course they will need to see me in person to be sure. I'm hoping to find a solution that I can work with on my own before spending money to see more professionals. I will give all of this a try and if it doesn't work I plan to go see a ND. According to western doctors, other than being lactose intolerant they don't see anything. I've had blood, urine, and all type of other tests. ] Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Ya know, IMHO...most docs are so arrogant (because people trust them as gods)...that the guy you walked out on probably thought YOU were the silly one. I have had docs have me in tears telling me I was imagining things. I've had to go to dentists and docs for root canals and broken body parts...and still, I got a weak immune system from all their drugs. There is a place for doctors and that is for broken body parts that need to be set or something similar. Otherwise it's a vicious circle created for your dependence on them and the drugs they push. Now, I've cured tooth aches with drops of oregano oil. Many uses for that oil. But that's just one example. I wild craft the herbs on my mountain and use pure oils from the worlds best, have eaten well and juiced for years...but have been lazy about beginning the raw food diet. Now I wonder why I waited so long. I just have to figure out what to do with all these nice exotic grains I have in my cupboard, sprout them...I guess. Before you know it, you will be teaching others from you own get well story. Every one has to have a get well story. Be encouraged that you are on the right track. Look to the good doctors like Dr. Norman Walker, an avid raw food/juice person who died peacefully in his sleep at many years past one hundred. He wrote in his book, Raw Vegetable Juices, that food was the cause of all health problems, and food was also the cure http://www.rawfood.com/walker.html Blessings, Diana of Dewberry Hill Diana you're also right about traditional doctors. They have offered me meds for the skin rashes and other physical symptoms, anti depressents because of the lack of energy(that even i know is because of poor diet and I don't have a degree), and meds to increase my energy(speed), but they are not willing or able to tell me why these symptoms are here in the first place. One doctor even had the nerve to ask me if I was sure I threw up. As if I imagined bending over the toilet and throwing up. He made me so mad I just walked out and left him there looking silly. Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 rawfood , quinsetta22 <no_reply> wrote: > > > Kohlrabi I responded to your previous message concerning medical > testing. I've seen many doctors, taken many blood tests, even mri's. > The traditional doctors don't see anything wrong with me except for > obesity and lactose intolerance. I don't have high blood pressure, > diabetes, thyroid problems, ect ect. I believe the answer I'm looking > for can not be found from traditional doctors who are only trained to > treat symptoms. Had I listened to them in the past I would be on six > different medications now. Ok, it's good you were able to rule out any serious health problems by having tests done. If any of those doctors you went to were trying to put you on drugs for being overweight, I cannot think they were very good doctors, unless they were the type that specialize in helping people lose weight, and even then I think those types of doctors are ethically questionable. Obviously they would not be putting you on drugs for anything else, since they did not find anything else wrong with you. I am overweight myself, and hope to get in better shape by eating raw. The last time my doctor talked to me about it, he said the usual: eat right, exercise, and added he thought I should drink a whole lot of water, only water, because of new research that has come out about that. He did not try to put me on any drugs. Good luck to both of us on making the transition to raw . tracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 rawfood , " kohlrabi_croce " <kohlrabi_croce> wrote: > Ok, it's good you were able to rule out any serious health problems > by having tests done. If any of those doctors you went to were trying to put you on drugs for being overweight, I cannot think they were very good doctors, unless they were the type that specialize in > helping people lose weight, and even then I think those types of > doctors are ethically questionable. Obviously they would not be > putting you on drugs for anything else, since they did not find > anything else wrong with you. Hi Tracy, A few years ago I had unexplainable hormonal problems with my period, and blood tests showed problems with my thyroid, and a few other hormones. My joints hurt, I was fatigued, depression, anxious, had terrible dandruff, skin discoloration, migraine headaches, earaches, excess mucus in my eyes and sinues, constipation(where I couldn't use the bathroom for days or as long as two weeks), recurrent yeast infections, and tons of other stuff that " some " people experience when their health begins to deteriorate. All of these symptoms normalized or decreased after eliminating red meat, dairy, caffeine, sodas, and cutting back on sugar(though I still ate a lot). The only thing I did was eliminate some bad items, I didn't add any good foods. That is what I'm attempting to do now with raw foods. It has been a couple of years since the above changes ocurred and decreased and after monitoring these systems and testing me for the past few years to make sure the hormonal problems didn't return the doctors feel confident in saying they are gone(though they also say they can't explain why especially with the thyroid) that is why NOW the doctors say they don't see anything seriously wrong with me. I didn't go in to detail about all of this in my previous message you responded to because it isn't an issue now and I was trying to be brief. Guess that didn't work. (smiling)I personally think eliminating the bad foods decreased stress on my body which returned my hormones to normal. That is the only thing I did differently. Had I listened to doctors I would have been on meds to treat all the above symptoms. My concern now is how to start adding healthy foods now that I have eliminated so many of the bad one's. I still have obesity, low energy(though not fatigue like before, skin rashes (though not overall skin darkening, bad breath, weak muscles(but no painful joints like before) and a few other complaints that I'm confident stem from poor nutrition and are not worth going to doctors who will only prescribe meds to make matters worse. Thank you for the well wishes, the same to you in return. I have no doubt we will both see improved health and vitality in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Dear Quinsetta, Sounds like you may want to read: I Was Poisoned By My Body by Gloria Gilbere Also, by Breda Watson Gut Solutions: Natural Solutions to your Digestive Problems and she also wrote Renew Your Life You can get them all used on www.amazon.com From my similar experience (minus the throwing up) of having no digestion, I have done very well with: 1. Low Sugar Juices (green juice, sometimes with minimal carrott in them to make them palatable 2. No sugar, bread 3. Avocadoes, mashed are very soothing 4. Wheatgrass with a carrott chaser (I started with 1/2 shot and then increased to up to 8oz per day) 5. No nuts or oil 6. Completely pulverized foods (raw soups minus the oil, " gentle foods " 7. Cooked/Steamed Veges for transition, such as pureed sweet potatoes, vege soup/broth. Raw veges, if not completely pulverized are hard to digest if not manually broken down smaller. What I found was that I had to really mash/juice/grind things up, in order for me to get any nutrition, and for it to not irritate my stomach/gut. My body really wanted the wheatgrass and responded very nicely to it. Sometimes, I found, that it's not what you omit from your diet, but what you add. I cannot do fruit or fruit juice. I can't even do bananas. But I will try to reintroduce these, mono-style, after I do a long spell of the wheatgrass as a healer. Anyway, I had to deal with the fact that for whatever reason, I could not karmically eat what others eat, but the diet of an old man, or a baby. But it's working, and now I can be raw-er now that i'm healing. Also, doctors have told me nothing helpful. So you are not alone, but the books above were very helpful. regards, Michele quinsetta22 <no_reply > wrote: Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 > Hi Mikaelashoney. Thank you for the assurance. I will definitely > reserve melons for future use. Do you know what makes them so hard to > digest? **** Alot of people have allergies to them. I have two avocados in the fridge but have not tried them > yet, still trying to decide how to use it in a recipe. ***Avocadoes need no recipe! That is the beauty of them! Just make sure that the outside is slightly soft and the inside is bright green. If there are any brown spots on the insides don't eat it becuase it will make the rest of the avo taste bad. Mash it up with a little sea salt and lemon juice. Eat it straight with a spoon and nothing on it. My favorite salad right now is diced avocadoes, diced tomatoes and diced onions covered in fresh juice of one lemon!! That might be to hard on your belly. i would just go with the avacado cut in half and enjoy! the same goes for mango. Eat it soft but no brown spots under the skin. Eat it without a recipe...just a1la carte! the best way possible! I did eat a > small bowl of steamed broccoli yesterday and a banana. Both made me > want to throw up slightly but I managed to keep them down by eating a > small bit of peppermint afterwards. I will try the squash and sweet > potatos since it looks like I'll have to go cooked vegan before 100% *** Good for you. Now just keep steaming; carrots, chard, squashes, zuccini. The baked potatoes sound really good to me right now!! > Do I > soak the nuts/seeds in the fridge or can I leave the out on the > counter top? Also, how can I tell when seeds/nuts are raw or cooked. > The local grocery store keeps them all in a huge barrel but it > doesn't tell if they raw or not. ****Soak them on the counter overnight in a blender. Then drain the water, rinse them off, throw them back in the blender then pulse, add a little water if needed and celery and fresh herbs. This is great made ito a " roll " with a big lettuce leef used as what you rolla spoonful in. Hope this helps!! mikaela Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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