Raw vegan

[Guest guest]

I have been reading some of the posts of the last several weeks,

trying to catch up with the zillions of posts on this list. On the

subject of the posts re eating animals and animal products on this

list, I wish to put in my two cents.

 

I have been raw vegan, essentially fruitarian, for the past 13-1/2

years. I am also an animal rights activist, so you know where I'm

coming from. Vegan is the only diet that makes sense, not only in

terms of compassion toward our fellow creatures, but also in terms

of health, and it is the only diet that is compatible with our

physiology. And raw vegan is optimal. I believe I will post my long

treatise on the anatomically and physiologically compatible diet of

humans, if permitted.

 

Many people come to veganism purely for reasons of health, and

that's fine. Obviously, these people will not have much of an

opinion or interest in the lives of the animals who are brutally

enslaved, tortured, mercilessly mass murdered for humans to eat—1

million every hour in the U.S. alone. And the animals used for dairy

and egg production also are horribly brutalized and murdered as soon

as their production decreases. But there are those of us who do have

a very strong viewpoint about it, and in fact, I hope that those who

come to veganism purely as a matter of health, will become more

aware of the moral aspects, and begin to embrace veganism out of

compassion as well.

 

I see in some posts what appears to me a deliberate baiting of

vegans, expecting vegans to be wusses, as though that is somehow the

healthy way to be. Ahimsa is the ideal way to be, IMO, but when

there is so much brutality toward non-humans, and so much unhealth

that feeds the brutality that then turns around and feeds the

unhealth, some must take a stand. Especially when one goes to a raw

vegan list, for support on the optimal diet of raw vegan foods, and

encounters posts and threads which promote other, even contrary,

agendas. Yes, there are diplomatic ways to say it, but often one

loses patience with, and finds offensive, the promotion of eating

the corpses and other products of brutalizing our slain non-human

brothers and sisters.

 

I have no use for religion nor deism of any kind, nor for any

anthropocentric philosophies, and many of the posts I see on boards

from religionists, I find especially chilling, seeking to denigrate

non-humans to soulless, mindless automatons. Frankly, I find animals

to have far more soul, mind, consciousness than most humans, and I

consider non-humans to be far superior to humans in every way. I

realize of course that not all religionists are anthropocentric, nor

are all religions themselves, particularly the more ancient Asian

religions, and for that I am grateful.

 

I realize most people are not going to agree with me, but it needs

to be kept in mind that there is a reason that some of us visit a

raw vegan board, and speaking for myself, I do not have any interest

in posts promoting religion and/or the consumption of animal

products. I have seen plenty of these posts on many lists, and have

debated these issues with people in the past ad nauseam. But for me,

I prefer not to use up my life energy or time with reading and

hearing more of the same, which I do not agree with, getting

uselessly absorbed in arguments. Narrow-minded? I would call it

focused. My agenda is spreading the health of raw veganism, and

compassion/live and let live for non-humans, which of course

dovetail perfectly. There is too little of it in the world, and too

much of the rest. Raw veganism needs to have a safe, nurturing haven

in the few raw vegan boards that exist.

 

Additionally, there is another aspect that most raw vegans are not

aware of. The raw food movement began as a raw vegan movement. There

have been raw vegans around for a very long time, few though they

may be. Raw veganism being the ideally healthy diet was covered in

depth in Natural Hygiene, nearly a century ago, and perhaps that was

the beginning of the renaissance of raw veganism/fruitarianism in

modern times. This is after Hygiene, one and a half to nearly two

centuries ago, re-introduced the eating of raw fruits and salads

into our society—absolutely everything had been eaten only boiled

for many centuries prior in our society.

 

When the raw vegan movement really began taking off, there began a

movement to try to discredit it, as there usually is with all

successful movements, as well as people wanting to carve out their

own niches. So began the raw animal foods (RAF) movement, which is

obnoxiously loud and aggressive, and whose members frequent raw

vegan groups in person, as well as internet groups, to recruit

members. They relentlessly promote their propaganda, while using

baseless scare tactics of " deficiencies " and purported ill health

and death in vegans, and of course how the RAF diet miraculously

saved their lives. It is all b.s., yet we have been conditioned to

heed such nonsense. And especially when it is slickly sold to seem

to be part of the raw food movement. How else are they going to get

people to eat rotting carcasses raw, as well as to consume embryos

(eggs) and calf food (dairy)? I won't even get into the other stuff

they eat, then you'd *really* be grossed out.

 

Make no mistake, however, the RAF'ers are out to recruit from among

the raw vegans, so there are often trolls on the vegan boards, or at

least true believers in the RAF agenda looking to promote it. Raw

vegans are the most likely targets to recruit, since they are

already raw. It's much more difficult to get cooked flesh eaters to

eat raw flesh, the unpalatability of it is the reason that humans

began to cook in the first place. Beginning raw vegans are the

easiest targets, since they are convinced that raw is optimal, yet

they don't have enough information or experience to be able to

discern the truth from the propaganda and are easily diverted by

scare tactics re veganism, and raves about RAF's.

 

This is why I consider the RAF propaganda so insidious and so

dangerous and inappropriate on a raw vegan board, in addition to the

fact that it clutters the already busy list with useless posts which

serve only to create doubt in new raw vegans' minds. I think it's

important to ask questions on a list, such as why the internet is so

aggressively filled with websites and links trying to discredit raw

veganism and promote RAF's, and to inquire what's up with these

sites. But to promote the RAF agenda on a raw vegan list is counter

to health and to the promoting of real information, and I am very

glad that the moderator has such a strong presence to maintain the

integrity of the list. I also applaud Tara and Nathalie and Jenny

for their right-on posts, thank you on behalf of myself and the

animals.

 

Zsuzsa

[Guest guest]

" southladogs " <southladogs> wrote:

 

> Vegan is the only diet that makes sense, not only in terms of

> compassion toward our fellow creatures, but also in terms

> of health, and it is the only diet that is compatible with

> our physiology. And raw vegan is optimal. I believe I will

> post my long treatise on the anatomically and physiologically

> compatible diet of humans, if permitted.

> [...]

> Zsuzsa

 

I don't think that no anatomical and/or physiological treatise,

no matter how sophisticated, can take away what I feel deep

inside of me. I don't feel I'm a pure herbivore. I feel I'm

an omnivore. I feel hunger for both vegetable and animal

substances. My current diet consists of rye, fermented milk,

berries, some vegetables, and various animals raised humanely

or caught from the wild. I'm against sadistic behaviour and

animal experiments.

 

I found this group today and joined because I'm interested in

the thoughts of people who feel they are herbivores or perhaps

feel they are omnivores but choose to act differently.

 

Fredrik, 30

[Guest guest]

I am so not getting in the middle of this conversation, but have to share that

my first thoughts upon reading this were " its like a tiger who can talk! "

sorry and off I go, running for calmer pastures.

I am in a weird place right now. Trying to find myself or recognize my rapidly

changing self through the vehicle of raw foodism.

oh wait. I feel that humans are omnivores... crafty and ingenious..able to make

food out of a shoe basically. We're so smart! But because of that intelligence

we are able to choose " above " our appetites, and be perfectly nourished.

 

Angela

 

Fredrik Murman <fpm wrote:

I don't feel I'm a pure herbivore. I feel I'm

an omnivore. I feel hunger for both vegetable and animal

substances. My current diet consists of rye, fermented milk,

berries, some vegetables, and various animals raised humanely

or caught from the wild. I'm against sadistic behaviour and

animal experiments.

 

 

 

 

 

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