Beliefs influence choices....

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Lee,

 

It was not my intent to defend any one particular

choice but to point out that your logic can seem as

'ridiculous' to others and mine seems to you!

 

If every person on the planet suddenly became a

fruitarian overnight, many would die. they would

suffocate on their own waste. Would you want us to

believe that this was 'their own fault' and 'just

due'. I feel it would be cruel. You might have been

able to make such a choice easily. I commend you for

making it if doing so has made you healthier and

happier and easier to live with.

 

Whether we like the reality or not, we ALL suffer

from the dietary sins of our parents and previous

generations. Instead of condemning those who cannot

be a 'pure' as yourself, love would compel one to

assist those who are struggling to make changes.

 

Now for a statement of what I do believe.

 

While I do not believe in reincarnation, I do believe

that EVERY FORM of LIFE (even plant life) has

intelligence. I believe that all the intelligences

(spirits) that are on the earth today lived before

being born here. I believe that to come here, each

such intelligence was committed to increasing his/her

capacity to love, ability to serve, and willingness to

sacrifice for the benefit of all others that would

need help. I believe each intelligence chose the

particular form s/he has precisely because of the

manner in which s/he WANTED TO SERVE. Therefore, I

believe that plants chose to be plants so they could

serve by providing oxygen and food. I am grateful

that some chose this path. I believe that the

intelligences that inhabit animals also knew that they

might be called upon to be food as well as provide

clothing. I am also grateful to them. I believe that

all life is PRECIOUS! I believe the perfect diet is

the kind of fruitarian that eats only the fruit of

trees (since this diet does not kill the trees).

However, few have the level of health that would allow

such a diet with a significant decrease in health..if

not death. Even if such a diet could be maintained,

the environment that most live in would make it

difficult to maintain. I believe I am here to

increase my capacity to love, my ability to serve, and

my willingness to sacrifice also. My premature death

(because I was more focused on a perfect diet than the

wellbeing of others) would not allow me to serve as I

agreed to do. Eating a diet (however perfect) that

would precipitate my death would be wrong. Finally, I

believe that, if I share my transition experiences

with others in a manner that helps but does not

hinder, I will have served others.

 

Do not presume you know me.

 

I recognize your right to choose for yourself. Allow

me the same without condemnation.

 

mary

 

 

--- wIld tOmAtO <strange_fruit wrote:

> your logic is incredible! you're promoting

> compassion toward everyone,

> making of me the mean one, but not putting your

> words into practice...

> what's the meaning? i've come to the point of only

> eating fruit for az while

> because i consider humans, non humans & plants as

> important . So please, do

> not tell me how to consider individuals. i am not

> hostil, it is just that it

> really hurts to read some people explaining how they

> eat someone whois not

> down this earth for the use of humans! Indeed, we

> are humans, so we have the

> capacity to have ethical reasons not to kill & eat

> other beings. We know how

> to mix this or that food so we won't be ill, or weak

> or what ever. You

> " argument " concerning animals who eat others.. is

> not the best... this is

> just the usual omnivorous speech to excuse

> him/herself . Ask a lion his

> ethical reasons & understanding of do not eating

> other beinsgs? i'm living

> with other non human individuals who do not eat

> corpses either. They are

> cats & dogs, & as created & used by humans, they can

> be helped being vegans.

> That does not mean i agree with domestication, of

> course this is really bad,

> but until we reach a world where no domination is

> perpetrated... some people

> have to take care of them, but certainly not by

> killing others to feed them.

> i'm just trying to explain you that humans have

> ethic, that there is no

> ethical reason to eat other people, so why are there

> 45 billion individuals

> killed for food every year (this does not include

> fish who are numbered in

> tons!) 900 million for vivisection & 90 million for

> fur.... Please, instead

> of giving " ideas " of compassion, but them first into

> practice, if not, no

> one would agree with you, no one could trust you

> mary.

> i don't say you're perfect or that i am perfect, fot

> none of us is, that's

> for sure, but my regrets would have been if i just

> had erazed your post not

> talking about the horror of eating other beings. i

> did not really felt

> offended, but sad, for i often have the naive

> thought that raw people are

> more toward veganism then toward the consumption of

> corpses.

> nAthAlIE

> --

> " Abolitionists believe it is disempowering to think

> in terms of incremental

> welfare reform. Not only is reform unrealistic; it

> also does not make for an

> inspiring platform. Indeed, realism dictates that

> activists go for what we

> really want. "

>

> --Lee Hall

>

> -----Message d'origine-----

> De : mary [marymassung]

>

>

>

> N,

>

> I am sorry you have chosen to be so hostile.

>

> Keep in mind that, as soon as you pick a piece of

> fruit from a tree, the fruit has died. You cannot

> keep it alive after you pick it. As soon as you

> pull

> a bunch of lettuce or cut a stalk of celery, it

> dies.

> In order to survive, we must kill something!

> Every

> time you take a bite, something has died to allow

> you

> that nourishment. What makes an animal more

> precious

> that an apple, or a tomato, or a piece of celery?

> Since all humans and all animals must kill other

> life

> forms to live, all animals and all humans are

> murderers and have bad 'karma' if viewed from the

> perspective you appear to be promoting.

>

> You imply that animals are more important than

> plants.

> This is illogical since animals kill other animals

> as

> well as plants in order to live!

>

> I believe all life is precious. All life...animal

> life, plant life, and...even human life. The only

> life

> forms that do not kill other forms to live are

> plants.

> Therefore, if there were a superior life form

> (from

> the perspective of killing to eat) it would be

> plants.

> I do not believe animal life is more important

> than

> human life any more than I believe plant life if

> more

> important than animal life or human life. We all

> need

> to sustain life.

>

> Whatever your personal beliefs might be, you have

> not

> yet learned kindness or you would not have written

> that post. If we are looking to cast stones, then

> be

> certain you are perfect in every way...otherwise,

> you

> might live to regret something you have said to

> another. I am not perfect. I do not believe

> anyone

> on this earth is. I am sorry you have been

> offended by

> my stating I eat fish.

>

> mary

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

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