Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Do folks on this list ever get tired of sniping at each other? Sure...there are supportive posts...there are educational exchanges and bon mots of wisdom but there is a difference in teaching and in attacking...I am seeing too much of the latter. If you want to be totally accurate...unless you are eating a sprout which some folks on this list consider to be deadly...your food is not really living food...it has been harvested...it is no longer growing...it is DEAD!!! As for the raw part...there are so many debates on the temperature at which the enzymes are destroyed. Consider how hot produce gets on loading docks...waiting to be invoiced...waiting to be checked in...heck, growing in the South in the summer time in the hot sun and humidity! Guess what...your " raw " food may be cooked by your own standards...just from being in the field while it is growing. If you don't believe me spend a summer working as a migrant farm worker. Been there, done that! Everyone on this list is at different stages...diversity...the spice of life...some will eat only food pulled from their garden with bits of dirt on the root hairs and say that their way of eating is the " only " way...others will say that those who eat dehydrated foods are fooling themselves and headed toward disaster...some think that nightshades are deadly...others will add a splash of vinegar, olive oil or Bragg's on their food and be at peace with their decision. There are many schools of thought in the world of " live " food. Some are well researched and studied...others are pure hogwash...still others have some valid points mixed in with very fuzzy science. Anyone who is embarking on a raw diet is evaluating their health and the dangers of the SAD...they need support not scorn. They don't need weird messages that say something they are eating will kill them...there are foods that are healthier for the human body than other foods...but every body is different. Every body has different needs...every person has different needs...this is the ultimate truth. Apples are better for one than bacon is...cabbage is healthier than a porterhouse...and so on and so forth. Is it possible to make your point without being tactless? Does being raw make one so cranky that courtesy goes out the window? Why is it so hard to say...I am hearing your opinion but I have a different one. Is it possible to say...I don't believe______is totally or truly raw....it may serve a place in a transitional diet but you may want to research it further. There is room for varying ideas...recipes, dehydrating, fermenting, juicing and just eating the food in its natural state. Latitude is a wonderful thing. It is just as healthy to watch your attitude as it is to watch your diet...maybe even more so. Blessings, Ardee-ann http://www.the-stew.com http://www.freecycle.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 ((((Ardee-Ann)))) I've gotten to the point where i don't read most of the emails. If they seem to be attacking or talking-down i just delete. There are some here that do support and that's what makes the group worth the time. " Ideally " is one thing, " Reality " is another. We have to do what we have to do to be at peace with ourselves. I just hope that the discouraging posts doesn't make someone say " Well, if i can't have ___ i might as well not even bother being raw. " peace nikki ardee-ann [ardee-ann] Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:39 AM rawfood [Raw Food] raw, living...yada, yada, yada... Do folks on this list ever get tired of sniping at each other? Sure...there are supportive posts...there are educational exchanges and bon mots of wisdom but there is a difference in teaching and in attacking...I am seeing too much of the latter. If you want to be totally accurate...unless you are eating a sprout which some folks on this list consider to be deadly...your food is not really living food...it has been harvested...it is no longer growing...it is DEAD!!! As for the raw part...there are so many debates on the temperature at which the enzymes are destroyed. Consider how hot produce gets on loading docks...waiting to be invoiced...waiting to be checked in...heck, growing in the South in the summer time in the hot sun and humidity! Guess what...your " raw " food may be cooked by your own standards...just from being in the field while it is growing. If you don't believe me spend a summer working as a migrant farm worker. Been there, done that! Everyone on this list is at different stages...diversity...the spice of life...some will eat only food pulled from their garden with bits of dirt on the root hairs and say that their way of eating is the " only " way...others will say that those who eat dehydrated foods are fooling themselves and headed toward disaster...some think that nightshades are deadly...others will add a splash of vinegar, olive oil or Bragg's on their food and be at peace with their decision. There are many schools of thought in the world of " live " food. Some are well researched and studied...others are pure hogwash...still others have some valid points mixed in with very fuzzy science. Anyone who is embarking on a raw diet is evaluating their health and the dangers of the SAD...they need support not scorn. They don't need weird messages that say something they are eating will kill them...there are foods that are healthier for the human body than other foods...but every body is different. Every body has different needs...every person has different needs...this is the ultimate truth. Apples are better for one than bacon is...cabbage is healthier than a porterhouse...and so on and so forth. Is it possible to make your point without being tactless? Does being raw make one so cranky that courtesy goes out the window? Why is it so hard to say...I am hearing your opinion but I have a different one. Is it possible to say...I don't believe______is totally or truly raw....it may serve a place in a transitional diet but you may want to research it further. There is room for varying ideas...recipes, dehydrating, fermenting, juicing and just eating the food in its natural state. Latitude is a wonderful thing. It is just as healthy to watch your attitude as it is to watch your diet...maybe even more so. Blessings, Ardee-ann http://www.the-stew.com http://www.freecycle.org ---------- -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 What a condescending post. I think someone must have gotten out of the wrong side of the bed this morning ? If you want raw support, join 12 steps to raw. This raw forum is an open exchange of ideas. Unfortunately you will find that the world does not always operate within your guidelines. If you follow the posts closely, you will see that although there are a lot of differing opinions, there is also a lot of respect and kindness. The beauty of the Internet is that you are free to go start a raw food group that is to your liking. I for one love this forum, and the people who share on it. Rufus Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes./filing.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 This has been said over and over for the last few months. I myself got some " courtesy out the window " comments when I said something like this about a month ago. I thought that eating raw made you more in tune spiritually and emotionally and made you feel more at peace with yourself and the world..... I agree with all the people asking everyone to just be NICE, you don't have to agree. Please everyone, there is enough people saying it, just speak respectfully to each other and quit arguing. Please............. Melissa ardee-ann wrote: Do folks on this list ever get tired of sniping at each other? Sure...there are supportive posts...there are educational exchanges and bon mots of wisdom but there is a difference in teaching and in attacking...I am seeing too much of the latter. If you want to be totally accurate...unless you are eating a sprout which some folks on this list consider to be deadly...your food is not really living food...it has been harvested...it is no longer growing...it is DEAD!!! As for the raw part...there are so many debates on the temperature at which the enzymes are destroyed. Consider how hot produce gets on loading docks...waiting to be invoiced...waiting to be checked in...heck, growing in the South in the summer time in the hot sun and humidity! Guess what...your " raw " food may be cooked by your own standards...just from being in the field while it is growing. If you don't believe me spend a summer working as a migrant farm worker. Been there, done that! Everyone on this list is at different stages...diversity...the spice of life...some will eat only food pulled from their garden with bits of dirt on the root hairs and say that their way of eating is the " only " way...others will say that those who eat dehydrated foods are fooling themselves and headed toward disaster...some think that nightshades are deadly...others will add a splash of vinegar, olive oil or Bragg's on their food and be at peace with their decision. There are many schools of thought in the world of " live " food. Some are well researched and studied...others are pure hogwash...still others have some valid points mixed in with very fuzzy science. Anyone who is embarking on a raw diet is evaluating their health and the dangers of the SAD...they need support not scorn. They don't need weird messages that say something they are eating will kill them...there are foods that are healthier for the human body than other foods...but every body is different. Every body has different needs...every person has different needs...this is the ultimate truth. Apples are better for one than bacon is...cabbage is healthier than a porterhouse...and so on and so forth. Is it possible to make your point without being tactless? Does being raw make one so cranky that courtesy goes out the window? Why is it so hard to say...I am hearing your opinion but I have a different one. Is it possible to say...I don't believe______is totally or truly raw....it may serve a place in a transitional diet but you may want to research it further. There is room for varying ideas...recipes, dehydrating, fermenting, juicing and just eating the food in its natural state. Latitude is a wonderful thing. It is just as healthy to watch your attitude as it is to watch your diet...maybe even more so. Blessings, Ardee-ann http://www.the-stew.com http://www.freecycle.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Nikki, Your response is why I wrote the post in the first place...we have so many newbies who come here looking for information...input and help but they end up getting not just mixed messages but are subjected to posts that are just not civilized. There is no _one_ right answer about a raw or living food diet...there are lots of educated guesses but as far as empirical data goes there isn't much...so instead of being discouraging...let's be encouraging...folks are coming here because they are seeking health not acrimony. If they become discouraged at every turn...there is a possibility that they will have lost an opportunity to be more well. Frankly, I choose to be part of the solution and not part of the problem. I want to encourage seekers to learn all that they can, see how the diet effects them and how they can make healthier choices. See you freecycling around, Ardee-ann ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ rawfood , " goodkarma " <karmacharmer@m...> wrote: > ((((Ardee-Ann)))) > I've gotten to the point where i don't read most of the emails. If they seem > to be attacking or talking-down i just delete. There are some here that do > support and that's what makes the group worth the time. " Ideally " is one > thing, " Reality " is another. We have to do what we have to do to be at peace > with ourselves. I just hope that the discouraging posts doesn't make someone > say " Well, if i can't have ___ i might as well not even bother being raw. " > peace > nikki > > ardee-ann@w... [ardee-ann@w...] > Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:39 AM > rawfood > [Raw Food] raw, living...yada, yada, yada... > > > Do folks on this list ever get tired of sniping at each other? > Sure...there are supportive posts...there are educational exchanges and > bon mots of wisdom but there is a difference in teaching and in > attacking...I am seeing too much of the latter. > > If you want to be totally accurate...unless you are eating a sprout > which some folks on this list consider to be deadly...your food is not > really living food...it has been harvested...it is no longer > growing...it is DEAD!!! > > As for the raw part...there are so many debates on the temperature at > which the enzymes are destroyed. Consider how hot produce gets on > loading docks...waiting to be invoiced...waiting to be checked > in...heck, growing in the South in the summer time in the hot sun and > humidity! Guess what...your " raw " food may be cooked by your own > standards...just from being in the field while it is growing. If you > don't believe me spend a summer working as a migrant farm worker. Been > there, done that! > > Everyone on this list is at different stages...diversity...the spice of > life...some will eat only food pulled from their garden with bits of > dirt on the root hairs and say that their way of eating is the " only " > way...others will say that those who eat dehydrated foods are fooling > themselves and headed toward disaster...some think that nightshades are > deadly...others will add a splash of vinegar, olive oil or Bragg's on > their food and be at peace with their decision. > > There are many schools of thought in the world of " live " food. Some are > well researched and studied...others are pure hogwash...still others > have some valid points mixed in with very fuzzy science. > > Anyone who is embarking on a raw diet is evaluating their health and the > dangers of the SAD...they need support not scorn. They don't need weird > messages that say something they are eating will kill them...there are > foods that are healthier for the human body than other foods...but every > body is different. Every body has different needs...every person has > different needs...this is the ultimate truth. > > Apples are better for one than bacon is...cabbage is healthier than a > porterhouse...and so on and so forth. Is it possible to make your point > without being tactless? Does being raw make one so cranky that courtesy > goes out the window? Why is it so hard to say...I am hearing your > opinion but I have a different one. Is it possible to say...I don't > believe______is totally or truly raw....it may serve a place in a > transitional diet but you may want to research it further. > > There is room for varying ideas...recipes, dehydrating, fermenting, > juicing and just eating the food in its natural state. Latitude is a > wonderful thing. It is just as healthy to watch your attitude as it is > to watch your diet...maybe even more so. > > Blessings, > > Ardee-ann > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 i hope you didn't take what I asked the wrong way (if there were other posts in between my question about raw v. living foods and your statement, i haven't seen them on the website; hell, i don't even see my original question anymore). I was just genuinely curious because like you said there are so many stages & definitions. Megan rawfood , ardee-ann@w... wrote: > Do folks on this list ever get tired of sniping at each other? > Sure...there are supportive posts...there are educational exchanges and > bon mots of wisdom but there is a difference in teaching and in > attacking...I am seeing too much of the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 rawfood , ardee-ann@w... wrote: > Do folks on this list ever get tired of sniping at each other? Quite a lot of mileage coming out of this thread. It would be more fun if we were discussing the substance of the sniping rather than the trivial subject of sniping itself. Providing of course that the substance has a value. If it hasn't, why bother to keep it going? Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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