Brad and the moral high ground Digest Number 407

July 13, 2002

sorry i've been away all evening doing all that boring real life

stuff...

Off running a compost toilet building workshop at Crass' house

tomorrow, so I guess I'll come back to a pretty full inbox- all will

it be dead quiet like Vegan Network is a after the storm???

-- In , EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

> graham..thats old news

> can't you see we;ve moved onto slagging each other and cats and

lordy knows wot else

> please try and keep up..

>

> maybe i should just go stay at eco-vegans fer awhile

> will there be dinner?

> fraggle

>

> " Graham Burnett " <grahamburnett@b...> wrote:

>

> >

> >Message: 13

> > Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:12:27 +0100

> > " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...>

> >RE: Re: Marrying meaties

> >

> >>No-one said he was judge and jury,

> >

> >He behaves like the vegan equivalent of the spanish inquisition

with his

> >hectoring, judgementalism, moralising and condemnations of how

others live

> >and love.

> >

> >But what I really have a problem with is the way that he

crossposts his

> >opinions of Hannah accross the internet. I've just picked up his

post

> >condemning and attacking Hannah at the Muslem Vegan/vegetarian

,

> >where in turn that has been cross posted from vegan discussion

groups I've

> >never even heard of!

> >

> >How is that remotely ethical behaviour from one who so freely

claims the

> >moral high ground?

> >

> >Brad talks of his quest for 'spiritual enlightenment'- I think

some serious

> >self questioning is called for first.

> >

> >To send an email to -

> >

July 13, 2002

i'm off to a party meself

have a good one all

even those that hate me and wish to stick needles in my eyes er grind me up into

chili

fraggle

" quercusrobur2002 " <grahamburnett wrote:

>sorry i've been away all evening doing all that boring real life

>stuff...

>

>Off running a compost toilet building workshop at Crass' house

>tomorrow, so I guess I'll come back to a pretty full inbox- all will

>it be dead quiet like Vegan Network is a after the storm???

>

>-- In , EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

>> graham..thats old news

>> can't you see we;ve moved onto slagging each other and cats and

>lordy knows wot else

>> please try and keep up..

>>

>> maybe i should just go stay at eco-vegans fer awhile

>> will there be dinner?

>> fraggle

>>

>> " Graham Burnett " <grahamburnett@b...> wrote:

>>

>> >

>> >Message: 13

>> > Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:12:27 +0100

>> > " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...>

>> >RE: Re: Marrying meaties

>> >

>> >>No-one said he was judge and jury,

>> >

>> >He behaves like the vegan equivalent of the spanish inquisition

>with his

>> >hectoring, judgementalism, moralising and condemnations of how

>others live

>> >and love.

>> >

>> >But what I really have a problem with is the way that he

>crossposts his

>> >opinions of Hannah accross the internet. I've just picked up his

>post

>> >condemning and attacking Hannah at the Muslem Vegan/vegetarian

>,

>> >where in turn that has been cross posted from vegan discussion

>groups I've

>> >never even heard of!

>> >

>> >How is that remotely ethical behaviour from one who so freely

>claims the

>> >moral high ground?

>> >

>> >Brad talks of his quest for 'spiritual enlightenment'- I think

>some serious

>> >self questioning is called for first.

>> >

>> >To send an email to -

>> >

July 13, 2002

Graham,

you are a sneaky one aren't you? I never crossposted anything to the Muslem Vegan/vegetarian . That's a total lie which if you knew anything about how e-mail worked you could see for yourself

by examining the properties of that e-mail. Don't falsely accuse me just to make a point!

I say what I think which is what I want from others. It's called an honest discussion.

You seem to lack the courage to do anything but hit and run. Beyond condemning me and everyone else for moralising. You don't seem to talk about what you feel or think. Maybe you really

have nothing of substance to say.

-

Graham Burnett

Friday, July 12, 2002 8:26 PM

Brad and the moral high ground Re: Digest Number 407

Message: 13 Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:12:27 +0100 "Lesley Dove" <LesleyRE: Re: Marrying meaties>No-one said he was judge and jury,He behaves like the vegan equivalent of the spanish inquisition with hishectoring, judgementalism, moralising and condemnations of how others liveand love.But what I really have a problem with is the way that he crossposts hisopinions of Hannah accross the internet. I've just picked up his postcondemning and attacking Hannah at the Muslem Vegan/vegetarian ,where in turn that has been cross posted from vegan discussion groups I'venever even heard of!How is that remotely ethical behaviour from one who so freely claims themoral high ground?Brad talks of his quest for 'spiritual enlightenment'- I think some seriousself questioning is called for first.To send an email to -

July 13, 2002

How do you find time for the kids or does your partner do 99% of that? She must if you are always off on composting toilets and permaculture stuff the amount you seem to be, or otherwise you seem to be at the pub! I get a lot less activist stuff done since having kids, the same goes for having a social life, but that's the way it is, we don't leave it all to one of us. I wouldn't go off and leave the kids all to Paul for long and vice versa (except when he is at work of course), I definitely get the impression that you leave Debby to do nearly all the hands on work taking care of the kids. When does she get to go off and do her own thing without the kids?? It sounds a bit unequal to me!

We are off on the demo soon and Food for Life festival, but that is all of us, Paul me and the three sprogs.

Vegan-network is probably just quiet because of John's policy of arbitrarily banning anyone he dislikes such as me and Brad.

Lesley

quercusrobur2002 [grahamburnett]13 July 2002 01:58 Subject: Brad and the moral high ground Re: Digest Number 407sorry i've been away all evening doing all that boring real life stuff...Off running a compost toilet building workshop at Crass' house tomorrow, so I guess I'll come back to a pretty full inbox- all will it be dead quiet like Vegan Network is a after the storm???-- In , EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:> graham..thats old news> can't you see we;ve moved onto slagging each other and cats and lordy knows wot else> please try and keep up..> > maybe i should just go stay at eco-vegans fer awhile> will there be dinner?> fraggle> > > "Graham Burnett" <grahamburnett@b...> wrote:> > >> >> >Message: 13> > Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:12:27 +0100> > "Lesley Dove" <Lesley@v...>> >RE: Re: Marrying meaties> >> >> >>No-one said he was judge and jury,> >> >He behaves like the vegan equivalent of the spanish inquisition with his> >hectoring, judgementalism, moralising and condemnations of how others live> >and love.> >> >But what I really have a problem with is the way that he crossposts his> >opinions of Hannah accross the internet. I've just picked up his post> >condemning and attacking Hannah at the Muslem Vegan/vegetarian ,> >where in turn that has been cross posted from vegan discussion groups I've> >never even heard of!> >> >How is that remotely ethical behaviour from one who so freely claims the> >moral high ground?> >> >Brad talks of his quest for 'spiritual enlightenment'- I think some serious> >self questioning is called for first.> >> >> >> >To send an email to - > >> >