Guest guest Posted July 7, 2002 Report Share Posted July 7, 2002 I've been out of town at AR2002, my cat has taken a turn for the worst, involved in a rush battle in Pittsburgh over the rodeo, involved in a local deer hunt bow issue, and I have to get by a** in gear and finish up my stuff for the animal law website I'm working on out of Detroit's law school so I have not posted much but just had to add in a blip here . . . As a student of law, one of my biggest concerns has been and is our constitutional rights. With the furor over September 11th we are seeing more and more of these rights being trampled on and set aside through dubious means. In addition, we are seeing departments in our government moved to other areas under the guise of " home-land security " . I saw a recent poll that said close to 50% of Americans feel giving up some of their constitutional rights in order to feel " secure " is an okay thing. This is a VERY VERY VERY VERY wrong thing!!! Once these steps are taken and these rights are " given up " they are NEVER EVER returned!! Every time one of these rights is set aside or weakened all that does is open the door for later rights to be set aside or weakened even further. We already allow our school systems to work as a " police state " where students have different constitutional rights than adults or non-students - I personally don't recall having seen a second constitution out there that was geared towards those under 18. We have a problem in our school systems I agree (my mom teaches in Florida and has taught high school for almost 40 years so I am well aware of how our system works and what it has become), however, one of the largest problems is that of parental interaction with their children. Repeatedly the schools are being used as the fix all for our children (at open houses my mom can predict exactly which student's parents will come - the highest achievers' parents) and the schools are allowed to do much more than they should be allowed to because parents have given them the right to do so without batting an eye. Basic search and seizure rights have already been set aside, students who are on school property have already had their right to privacy set aside, and now the issue of urine testing is being considered as a good thing. All of these are constitutional rights. If we give up those rights for our children, the next step will be our rights. Not just our rights as parents but our rights as individuals! Urine testing of our children is an invasion of bodily integrity and should not be allowed. If the issue of children using drugs is an issue then there should be education focused at helping adults recognize this and be involved in the lives of their children to educate them and help fix the problems - turn off the idiot box, turn off the computer, spend times with your kids - to hell with buying that DVD player, VCRs work just fine - use the money to go to a museum or a movie with the kid - my 10 year old stepdaughter has the newest of every single game/toy but her mom and dad never do anything with her - when she comes to my house (I still have regular visitation with her) we don't turn on the tv, we have real meals, we talk, we go do things even if it is just taking the dogs to the park - parents don't need money to work with their kids. I got " high " and drank when I was in high school but because of the openness of my mother about sex and drugs I never experimented with anything until I was older (how many kids learn about sex from their parents or from the tv) - I am older than many of you but really the only thing we didn't have going around my school was the crack and the ecstacy (but we had crank which is just as bad since my classmates were shooting it up - we had black beauties, we had qualudes, and many other varieties of narcotics that have sort of died out in main stream these days - we had heroin then too). My mom was a pain in my a** at times but she was involved extremely and looking back I'm glad she was - althought I wish she had been more so when I got older and got more stupid - LOL. But, back to the subject - we should never allow our constitutional rights to be taken from us without a fight. The constitution is a living breathing document able to change with time and we need to preserve it. Our governments are powerful enough, they are able to ignore the majority, they are able to impose restrictions where they wish, it will only get worse if the constitution falls or bends to the desires of those seeking " control " . Ramble ramble ramble . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2002 Report Share Posted July 8, 2002 Yay for Pam! You had better hurry up and graduate so you can be our Queen -- no wait, that's not right...what was your title going to be again? I think fraggle had a title, too... (sigh) This country is getting very icky. Don't like it. 'Member the good ol' days when bad rulers had their castles seiged and their wobbly heads cut off? I miss those days... I'm sorry. That was not a very nice thing to say. How is your kitty? What happened? One of my pugs is sick You have to post your website here when it's ready! Good luck with it ! --jojo - " Pgh Pam " <pghpam Sunday, July 07, 2002 12:41 PM Urine Testing issue . . . > I've been out of town at AR2002, my cat has taken a turn for the worst, > involved in a rush battle in Pittsburgh over the rodeo, involved in a local > deer hunt bow issue, and I have to get by a** in gear and finish up my stuff > for the animal law website I'm working on out of Detroit's law school so I > have not posted much but just had to add in a blip here . . . > > As a student of law, one of my biggest concerns has been and is our > constitutional rights. With the furor over September 11th we are seeing > more and more of these rights being trampled on and set aside through > dubious means. In addition, we are seeing departments in our government > moved to other areas under the guise of " home-land security " . I saw a > recent poll that said close to 50% of Americans feel giving up some of their > constitutional rights in order to feel " secure " is an okay thing. This is a > VERY VERY VERY VERY wrong thing!!! Once these steps are taken and these > rights are " given up " they are NEVER EVER returned!! > > Every time one of these rights is set aside or weakened all that does is > open the door for later rights to be set aside or weakened even further. We > already allow our school systems to work as a " police state " where students > have different constitutional rights than adults or non-students - I > personally don't recall having seen a second constitution out there that was > geared towards those under 18. We have a problem in our school systems I > agree (my mom teaches in Florida and has taught high school for almost 40 > years so I am well aware of how our system works and what it has become), > however, one of the largest problems is that of parental interaction with > their children. Repeatedly the schools are being used as the fix all for > our children (at open houses my mom can predict exactly which student's > parents will come - the highest achievers' parents) and the schools are > allowed to do much more than they should be allowed to because parents have > given them the right to do so without batting an eye. Basic search and > seizure rights have already been set aside, students who are on school > property have already had their right to privacy set aside, and now the > issue of urine testing is being considered as a good thing. All of these > are constitutional rights. If we give up those rights for our children, the > next step will be our rights. Not just our rights as parents but our rights > as individuals! Urine testing of our children is an invasion of bodily > integrity and should not be allowed. > > If the issue of children using drugs is an issue then there should be > education focused at helping adults recognize this and be involved in the > lives of their children to educate them and help fix the problems - turn off > the idiot box, turn off the computer, spend times with your kids - to hell > with buying that DVD player, VCRs work just fine - use the money to go to a > museum or a movie with the kid - my 10 year old stepdaughter has the newest > of every single game/toy but her mom and dad never do anything with her - > when she comes to my house (I still have regular visitation with her) we > don't turn on the tv, we have real meals, we talk, we go do things even if > it is just taking the dogs to the park - parents don't need money to work > with their kids. I got " high " and drank when I was in high school but > because of the openness of my mother about sex and drugs I never > experimented with anything until I was older (how many kids learn about sex > from their parents or from the tv) - I am older than many of you but really > the only thing we didn't have going around my school was the crack and the > ecstacy (but we had crank which is just as bad since my classmates were > shooting it up - we had black beauties, we had qualudes, and many other > varieties of narcotics that have sort of died out in main stream these > days - we had heroin then too). My mom was a pain in my a** at times but > she was involved extremely and looking back I'm glad she was - althought I > wish she had been more so when I got older and got more stupid - LOL. > > But, back to the subject - we should never allow our constitutional rights > to be taken from us without a fight. The constitution is a living breathing > document able to change with time and we need to preserve it. Our > governments are powerful enough, they are able to ignore the majority, they > are able to impose restrictions where they wish, it will only get worse if > the constitution falls or bends to the desires of those seeking " control " . > > Ramble ramble ramble . . . . > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2002 Report Share Posted July 8, 2002 *claps* thank you and well said pam i will just stare goggily eyed at you now... *bats eyelashes dreamily* hahahahahahahahahah no government can ever give you freedom!! *hoists the black flag of anarchy* cheers fraggle " Pgh Pam " <pghpam wrote: >I've been out of town at AR2002, my cat has taken a turn for the worst, >involved in a rush battle in Pittsburgh over the rodeo, involved in a local >deer hunt bow issue, and I have to get by a** in gear and finish up my stuff >for the animal law website I'm working on out of Detroit's law school so I >have not posted much but just had to add in a blip here . . . > >As a student of law, one of my biggest concerns has been and is our >constitutional rights. With the furor over September 11th we are seeing >more and more of these rights being trampled on and set aside through >dubious means. In addition, we are seeing departments in our government >moved to other areas under the guise of " home-land security " . I saw a >recent poll that said close to 50% of Americans feel giving up some of their >constitutional rights in order to feel " secure " is an okay thing. This is a >VERY VERY VERY VERY wrong thing!!! Once these steps are taken and these >rights are " given up " they are NEVER EVER returned!! > >Every time one of these rights is set aside or weakened all that does is >open the door for later rights to be set aside or weakened even further. We >already allow our school systems to work as a " police state " where students >have different constitutional rights than adults or non-students - I >personally don't recall having seen a second constitution out there that was >geared towards those under 18. We have a problem in our school systems I >agree (my mom teaches in Florida and has taught high school for almost 40 >years so I am well aware of how our system works and what it has become), >however, one of the largest problems is that of parental interaction with >their children. Repeatedly the schools are being used as the fix all for >our children (at open houses my mom can predict exactly which student's >parents will come - the highest achievers' parents) and the schools are >allowed to do much more than they should be allowed to because parents have >given them the right to do so without batting an eye. Basic search and >seizure rights have already been set aside, students who are on school >property have already had their right to privacy set aside, and now the >issue of urine testing is being considered as a good thing. All of these >are constitutional rights. If we give up those rights for our children, the >next step will be our rights. Not just our rights as parents but our rights >as individuals! Urine testing of our children is an invasion of bodily >integrity and should not be allowed. > >If the issue of children using drugs is an issue then there should be >education focused at helping adults recognize this and be involved in the >lives of their children to educate them and help fix the problems - turn off >the idiot box, turn off the computer, spend times with your kids - to hell >with buying that DVD player, VCRs work just fine - use the money to go to a >museum or a movie with the kid - my 10 year old stepdaughter has the newest >of every single game/toy but her mom and dad never do anything with her - >when she comes to my house (I still have regular visitation with her) we >don't turn on the tv, we have real meals, we talk, we go do things even if >it is just taking the dogs to the park - parents don't need money to work >with their kids. I got " high " and drank when I was in high school but >because of the openness of my mother about sex and drugs I never >experimented with anything until I was older (how many kids learn about sex >from their parents or from the tv) - I am older than many of you but really >the only thing we didn't have going around my school was the crack and the >ecstacy (but we had crank which is just as bad since my classmates were >shooting it up - we had black beauties, we had qualudes, and many other >varieties of narcotics that have sort of died out in main stream these >days - we had heroin then too). My mom was a pain in my a** at times but >she was involved extremely and looking back I'm glad she was - althought I >wish she had been more so when I got older and got more stupid - LOL. > >But, back to the subject - we should never allow our constitutional rights >to be taken from us without a fight. The constitution is a living breathing >document able to change with time and we need to preserve it. Our >governments are powerful enough, they are able to ignore the majority, they >are able to impose restrictions where they wish, it will only get worse if >the constitution falls or bends to the desires of those seeking " control " . > >Ramble ramble ramble . . . . > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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