this just gets messier and messier

February 8, 2002

TRUE EVIL IS EXPOSED

When examining the virtues and vices of

men, one looks to moral qualities of human

actions as the barometer distinguishing

and defining truth.

As many of you are aware, I have been the

recipient of a slanderous personal campaign

that concluded with the hacking and temporary

destruction of my notmilk.com website.

During these attacks, I have continued to

ignore a tidal wave of comments made by a group

of individuals at vegsource.com. Rather than

defend myself, and become no better than my

attackers who accused me of the vilest and

most unethical acts, I made the decision to

turn the other cheek.

The greatest movements in human history have

been disrupted by infiltrators. Leaders of

those movements have been betrayed by saboteurs.

Men have been deceived by trusted allies. Brutus

plunged the final knife thrust into a dying

Caesar and Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of

silver. Benedict Arnold sold out a young nation

during a time of war, while J. Edgar Hooverâ€™s FBI

infiltrated and did harm to Dr. Martin Luther

Kingâ€™s peace movement.

The vegetarian movement exists as an enormous

threat to many industries and multi-national

corporations. Those leaders of the vegetarian

movement are carefully monitored by industry

insiders. Hundreds of billions of dollars of meat,

milk, and biotechnology sales are influenced by

public perception. It is no surprise that those

who hold the greatest financial stake might be

motivated in placing a wedge within the heart

of a movement that remains the greatest threat

towards preventing greater profitability for

those who market dairy products, meat, and

genetically engineered foods.

The owner of vegsource.com should be held

responsible for waging this campaign, but I

would ask that the court of public opinion

hold him harmless.

You see, Jeff Nelson has been deceived.

Review vegsource and you will see dozens of articles

and second opinions written by Dr. Steve Walsh. The

articles are medical opinions citing peer-reviewed

scientific journal articles. In many areas, Jeff

Nelson cites Dr. Walsh and promotes his comments.

It has been confirmed that Steve Walsh has a degree

in computers, not medicine. Jeff Nelson could not

have been aware of that deception.

I have previously been told that Steve Walsh is an

infiltrator. I had also been told that Mr. Walsh

works for one of Europe's largest chemical companies.

During a family trip to England in April of 2001, Walsh

attempted to sabotage my talks by screaming, " Robert

Cohen is a liar. " He was booed off the stage in

London (Regents College) by the people who know him

best. Although I was his victim, I admonished the

crowd, defending Mr. Walsh's right to speak.

A few nights later, 150 miles away, he did the same thing

when I lectured before an animal rights group. Both

times, this raving man insulted me in the vilest manner

in front of my three daughters and wife. He played to

the audience with the same exact " routine, " after I had

set him straight the night before.

This morning (February 8, 2002), I received concrete

evidence that Mr. Walsh is indeed employed by a chemical

company, but there is much more to what I have learned

than just that. Mr. Walsh admits to being employed by ICI.

I am not claiming that Mr. Walsh makes every decision

for ICI. After all, this is a company that employs

60,000 people. It's just that it the past month, Mr.

Walsh seems to be working full-time, on company time,

to promote his dangerous and deceitful agenda on

vegsource. To compromise one's job in such a visible

matter marks the man as either very unwise or extremely

secure in his job assignment.

http://www.ici.com

ICI owns an enormous stake in the dairy industry.

ICI owns Sherman William Paints, which relies upon

milk protein (casein) as a major product component.

ICI owns National Starch Company, which manufactures

stabilizers for dairy products. From their website:

" Ingredients to improve the quality and stability

of a range of dairy foods, including yogurts,

puddings, ice cream, cheese and cream preparations. "

http://www.nationalstarch.com/markets/food.asp

ICI works closely with the biotechnology industry

by supporting Monsanto's genetically engineered seeds.

ICI owns Uniqema, a self-descibed world leader in

" oleochemicals and surfactants. " From their website:

" Improving the performance of RoundupÂ®-ready plantings "

http://www.uniqema.com

Monsanto's Roundup-Ready pesticide is designed

to kill everything that grows with the exception of

the gene-altered seeds and crop that it is designed

to protect. This is the company that Steve Walsh

works for. These are the conflicts of interest that

Mr. Walsh brings to his debate. Jeff Nelson could not

have known these things.

Despite the trouble he has created for me, I forgive

Jeff Nelson, for he could not have known the poison that

he was nurturing through Mr. Walsh's fertilizer.

Walsh's agenda remains clear. He seeks neither truth nor

fair debate. He is a destroyer, who has conned his way

into Jeff Nelson's graces, and has poisoned Mr. Nelson's

judgement.

I have invested the most productive eight years of a

man's life (age 42-50) to give all of myself to

strangers, rather than my own family. I now have multi-

pronged goals. The first is to level the informational

playing field for all consumers so that they may be

empowered to make informed decisions that bear on the

health and welfare of themselves and their children.

The sooner the public has all of the facts about the

adverse effects of milk and dairy products, the better

it will be for all consumers. My second goal is to

give people a healthy alternative to milk and dairy

products. The next eight years of my life will be

dedicated to changing the way people eat by offering

healthy options to the standard and traditional milk-

based diet.

The NOTMILK site stands on its own. The 1000+ columns

that I have written contain real science, and my

analyses of scientific fraud have continuously

withstood the rigorous scrutiny of peer review.

Those who know me recognize that I have stood toe to

toe with the most powerful and influential industry in

America, the dairy industry, and fear no man or group

of men. I have done damage to Monsanto by helping to

defeat approval of their genetically engineered bovine

growth hormone in Canada. I have testified before Congress,

USDA, FDA, and have pulled no punches in delivering

passionate and directed messages. I have received death

threats and had dead animals thrown on my lawn. I receive

hate mail and threatening phone calls in the middle of

the night. There are ten million people employed by the

dairy industry who know and hate my name. I know when to

fight, and can defend myself both physically and with

the pen, which I've learned to wield mightier than any

soldier wields a sword.

Understand all of the above and know that I will not

enter into the namecalling libelous fray occurring

at vegsource. I will not even consider legal action,

as many of my friends and associates have advised,

for to do so would hurt our movement and take

away from my creative spirit.

Jeff Nelson is a dedicated man, and he is trying to

change the world for the better. I ask you to forgive

him and understand the enormous pain that he carries.

Perhaps one day he will chase away those tormenting

demons that compromise a man's virtuous passions

by transforming them into vices lacking moral quality.

Robert Cohen

http://www.notmilk.com

February 8, 2002

I know Steve Walsh slightly, he is active on the Vegan Society Council and always seems very helpful in standing up for vegan families facing persecution from social services and paediatricians here in the UK. I know several vegan families he has supported and he wrote to lots of newspapers after the Areni Manuelyan tragedy, in defence of balanced vegan diets for children.

He is largely self-taught in nutrition. I don't know what he is a doctor of but AFAIK he has never actually claimed to be a medical doctor.

As I understand it in a nutshell Steve Walsh has criticised Cohen's actual grasp of scientific methods in his evaluation of research into the effects of dairy. He wants Cohen to be more accurate in his scientific appraisals of research, so that the dairy industry boffins can have no case to make to say he is not telling the truth. I thought Steve Walsh wanted to make sure that Cohen presented a cast-iron scientific case against dairy, because at present he might be easier to debunk than he would be if he got his science right.

But I'm not a scientist so I don't understand where Walsh thinks Cohen has got it wrong.

I am truly shocked at these allegations of him being an infiltrator, I had no idea he worked for the vivisectors ICI.

I'd be surprised if he was an infiltrator, but ICI does seem far from the ideal company for an ethical vegan to work for, so I am confused.

Too often these personal attacks within the movement seem to me to be somewhat a battle of egos. I'm rambling now, I'll stop, I just find it incredibly sad, and don't know what to make of it all.

Lesley

EBbrewpunx [EBbrewpunx]08 February 2002 17:38TFHB ; Janpierce; Subject: this just gets messier and messierTRUE EVIL IS EXPOSEDWhen examining the virtues and vices ofmen, one looks to moral qualities of humanactions as the barometer distinguishingand defining truth.As many of you are aware, I have been therecipient of a slanderous personal campaignthat concluded with the hacking and temporarydestruction of my notmilk.com website.During these attacks, I have continued toignore a tidal wave of comments made by a groupof individuals at vegsource.com. Rather thandefend myself, and become no better than myattackers who accused me of the vilest andmost unethical acts, I made the decision toturn the other cheek.The greatest movements in human history havebeen disrupted by infiltrators. Leaders ofthose movements have been betrayed by saboteurs.Men have been deceived by trusted allies. Brutusplunged the final knife thrust into a dyingCaesar and Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces ofsilver. Benedict Arnold sold out a young nationduring a time of war, while J. Edgar Hooverâ€™s FBIinfiltrated and did harm to Dr. Martin LutherKingâ€™s peace movement.The vegetarian movement exists as an enormousthreat to many industries and multi-nationalcorporations. Those leaders of the vegetarianmovement are carefully monitored by industryinsiders. Hundreds of billions of dollars of meat,milk, and biotechnology sales are influenced bypublic perception. It is no surprise that thosewho hold the greatest financial stake might bemotivated in placing a wedge within the heartof a movement that remains the greatest threattowards preventing greater profitability forthose who market dairy products, meat, andgenetically engineered foods.The owner of vegsource.com should be heldresponsible for waging this campaign, but Iwould ask that the court of public opinionhold him harmless.You see, Jeff Nelson has been deceived.Review vegsource and you will see dozens of articlesand second opinions written by Dr. Steve Walsh. Thearticles are medical opinions citing peer-reviewedscientific journal articles. In many areas, JeffNelson cites Dr. Walsh and promotes his comments.It has been confirmed that Steve Walsh has a degreein computers, not medicine. Jeff Nelson could nothave been aware of that deception.I have previously been told that Steve Walsh is aninfiltrator. I had also been told that Mr. Walshworks for one of Europe's largest chemical companies.During a family trip to England in April of 2001, Walshattempted to sabotage my talks by screaming, "RobertCohen is a liar." He was booed off the stage inLondon (Regents College) by the people who know himbest. Although I was his victim, I admonished thecrowd, defending Mr. Walsh's right to speak.A few nights later, 150 miles away, he did the same thingwhen I lectured before an animal rights group. Bothtimes, this raving man insulted me in the vilest mannerin front of my three daughters and wife. He played tothe audience with the same exact "routine," after I hadset him straight the night before.This morning (February 8, 2002), I received concreteevidence that Mr. Walsh is indeed employed by a chemicalcompany, but there is much more to what I have learnedthan just that. Mr. Walsh admits to being employed by ICI.I am not claiming that Mr. Walsh makes every decisionfor ICI. After all, this is a company that employs60,000 people. It's just that it the past month, Mr.Walsh seems to be working full-time, on company time,to promote his dangerous and deceitful agenda onvegsource. To compromise one's job in such a visiblematter marks the man as either very unwise or extremelysecure in his job assignment.http://www.ici.comICI owns an enormous stake in the dairy industry.ICI owns Sherman William Paints, which relies uponmilk protein (casein) as a major product component.ICI owns National Starch Company, which manufacturesstabilizers for dairy products. From their website:"Ingredients to improve the quality and stabilityof a range of dairy foods, including yogurts,puddings, ice cream, cheese and cream preparations."http://www.nationalstarch.com/markets/food.aspICI works closely with the biotechnology industryby supporting Monsanto's genetically engineered seeds.ICI owns Uniqema, a self-descibed world leader in"oleochemicals and surfactants." From their website:"Improving the performance of RoundupÂ®-ready plantings"http://www.uniqema.comMonsanto's Roundup-Ready pesticide is designedto kill everything that grows with the exception ofthe gene-altered seeds and crop that it is designedto protect. This is the company that Steve Walshworks for. These are the conflicts of interest thatMr. Walsh brings to his debate. Jeff Nelson could nothave known these things.Despite the trouble he has created for me, I forgiveJeff Nelson, for he could not have known the poison thathe was nurturing through Mr. Walsh's fertilizer.Walsh's agenda remains clear. He seeks neither truth norfair debate. He is a destroyer, who has conned his wayinto Jeff Nelson's graces, and has poisoned Mr. Nelson'sjudgement.I have invested the most productive eight years of aman's life (age 42-50) to give all of myself tostrangers, rather than my own family. I now have multi-pronged goals. The first is to level the informationalplaying field for all consumers so that they may beempowered to make informed decisions that bear on thehealth and welfare of themselves and their children.The sooner the public has all of the facts about theadverse effects of milk and dairy products, the betterit will be for all consumers. My second goal is togive people a healthy alternative to milk and dairyproducts. The next eight years of my life will bededicated to changing the way people eat by offeringhealthy options to the standard and traditional milk-based diet.The NOTMILK site stands on its own. The 1000+ columnsthat I have written contain real science, and myanalyses of scientific fraud have continuouslywithstood the rigorous scrutiny of peer review.Those who know me recognize that I have stood toe totoe with the most powerful and influential industry inAmerica, the dairy industry, and fear no man or groupof men. I have done damage to Monsanto by helping todefeat approval of their genetically engineered bovinegrowth hormone in Canada. I have testified before Congress,USDA, FDA, and have pulled no punches in deliveringpassionate and directed messages. I have received deaththreats and had dead animals thrown on my lawn. I receivehate mail and threatening phone calls in the middle ofthe night. There are ten million people employed by thedairy industry who know and hate my name. I know when tofight, and can defend myself both physically and withthe pen, which I've learned to wield mightier than anysoldier wields a sword.Understand all of the above and know that I will notenter into the namecalling libelous fray occurringat vegsource. I will not even consider legal action,as many of my friends and associates have advised,for to do so would hurt our movement and takeaway from my creative spirit.Jeff Nelson is a dedicated man, and he is trying tochange the world for the better. I ask you to forgivehim and understand the enormous pain that he carries.Perhaps one day he will chase away those tormentingdemons that compromise a man's virtuous passionsby transforming them into vices lacking moral quality.Robert Cohenhttp://www.notmilk.comTo send an email to -

February 8, 2002

Hi Lesley - good to hear from you again.

It's very difficult to work out what is going on! Maybe it will all become clear eventually.

Jo

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