Vegan Bullying - Michael

[Guest guest]

> While not wanting to be repetitious I also do not think Jane is

homophobic,

> but I must agree with Serene because I also took great offense as Jane's

> comment, and for more-or-less the same reason.

 

*great offense* - gee thanks Michael! You obviously haven't been reading

this thread but I'll repeat myself again - I haven't got anything against

gays! I wasn't been offensive or rude, and the discussion wasn't even about

gays, it was about the way people respect my veganism when talking to me!

This whole gay thing is sidetracking from the original topic and I bet

Serene is sitting on the sidelines having a good laugh at us all! I'm sorry

you took *great offense* but you really need to lighten up a bit!

 

> To me, expressing any attitude that someone would not be sexually

> interested in another because of their gender is both offensive and

> dismissive. It is an assumption that people are heterosexual, that this

is

> normal, and that everyone else is an aberration from this and something

> different. Or in the case of homosexual attitudes towards bisexuals, that

> it is not normal to be attracted to someone of the opposite gender and to

> do so is a denial of who they really are, and an expression of the

dominant

> cultures attitudes regarding sexuality.

>

I wasn't being rude, I didn't mean to offend and I certainly don't deserve a

post like this! I've explained myself and I'm only sorry that you're too

busy concentrating on nit picking to consider my feelings in this either.

You offend me too. I'm no longer going to discuss this as I have made my

very *liberal* views known to this list.

 

Janey

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> Michael

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jane,

 

>*great offense* - gee thanks Michael! You obviously haven't been reading

>this thread but I'll repeat myself again - I haven't got anything against

>gays!

 

I know you weren't being offensive, and I said that at the very beginning

of my post (as well as later on) and do not know how I could have made it

any clearer. But that doesn't stop me being offended (offense being an

emotional reaction) and nothing can be said to change the fact that I did

feel offended.

 

And yes I have read the thread, in fact I have just done so again and yet I

still see no explanation of why the word woman was capitalized. Had it not

been I would have not had any response, had it been a joke I would have

laughed but it was neither of these, it struck me as offensive.

 

>I'm sorry you took *great offense* but you really need to lighten up a bit!

 

I am not the one who is making a big issue out of other people's feelings.

 

Incidentally (in response to a later a comment you made) I never asked you

to apologize because I knew you weren't meaning to be offensive, I just

felt it relevant to express my feelings so you know the effects of what you

said, that it wasn't only one person who had disliked them, so you could

consider it in future. Personally if someone took at offense at something

I said I would like to know so I can at least try and avoid it happening in

the future, especially if that offense is caused inadvertently so I would

not have realized for myself.

 

>I wasn't being rude

 

I never said you were rude, your reply to me sure was though.

 

As to my further comments I am sorry that they have upset you but they were

an explanation of my position and not a reaction to anything you had

said. They did begin by saying " To me.. " which I expected would make it

clear I was talking about myself and not you. I had not even address the

message to you at the top, as I have in this case. This is a mailing list

read by over one hundred people, and several of those had contributed to

the topic. As such I felt it was right to explain to the one hundred plus

people, and particularly to everyone else taking part in the discussion,

why I take offense at such comments.

 

Whether the topic of conversation was about homosexuality or not is

irrelevant, there was a connotation about it that some of us (two for a

certainty) took from it. It saddens me that we are deemed irrelevant and

need to 'lighten-up' because we did not understand something in the way

intended, usually the onus is on the speaker to get their message across

unambiguously, not the listener.

 

I have always avoided taking part in this list because I do not want to

cause trouble, it seems that I was right to do so. In future whenever I am

offended I will say nothing and instead sit quietly in a corner for fear

that people will only think I am nit picking and in case people taking

everything I say as being personally addressed to, and solely about,

them. I am sorry for my sexuality, and for having feelings, and that in

expressing them I have caused you such 'offense' in writing a post that you

'didn't deserve' because of my 'nit-picking' and not ' considering your

feelings'. I am well and truly put in my place and will go away to

'lighten-up'.

 

Sigh, " I should have know better, I got what I deserved " .

 

Michael

[Guest guest]

Michael

 

I am sure it is not necessary to sit back and not join in. I think it is

good that we can all discuss our feelings in the open.

 

Jo

 

> I have always avoided taking part in this list because I do not want to

> cause trouble, it seems that I was right to do so. In future whenever I

am

> offended I will say nothing and instead sit quietly in a corner for fear

> that people will only think I am nit picking and in case people taking

> everything I say as being personally addressed to, and solely about,

> them. I am sorry for my sexuality, and for having feelings, and that in

> expressing them I have caused you such 'offense' in writing a post that

you

> 'didn't deserve' because of my 'nit-picking' and not ' considering your

> feelings'. I am well and truly put in my place and will go away to

> 'lighten-up'.

 

 

 

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