Prog / Death Metal & Canadian Green Party (what a mixture!)

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Hi Chris

 

> what kind of progmetal?

 

Easiest to name a few bands - Dream Theater (obviously!), Shadow Gallery,

Symphony X, Royal Hunt, Rhapsody, Vanden Plas, Empty Tremor (damn good band,

but virtually unknown), Spocks Beard, Conception, Majestic, Sonata Arctica,

etc.

 

> That's not really my thing,but I'm

> interested in what you define as prog,we may share some interests

> there as well....you like Rhapsody?

 

Yeah - one of my favourites - also, Luca Turilli's solo album and Vision

Divine! Unfortunately, there's no indication that they'll ever tour the UK

:-(

 

> But yeah,Emperor rules..have you

> heard the new album?GODLY!

 

Interesting thing with me and Emperor - I don't actually know any of their

material by name - but apparently I'm really influenced by them in the stuff

I write (so I'm told)!!! Bizarre!

 

> that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard!!! I can tell you that

> us GPOPers (Green Party of Philadelphia)wouldn't stand for such a

> thing.That sounds more Republican than green...jeez.Whats wrong with

> those crazy Canucks?*sigh*

 

I dunno - I think they've got a couple of nutters who've got to the top of

the party, and are running it as their own personal platform.

 

> > and successful attempts to curtail freedom of speech of certain

> > individuals in America and the UK by making potentially libellous

> > claims of

> > racism!

> like what? Can you give me any examples?I'm not doubting you,just

> curious.

 

Definitely. Prepare for the shocked responses from UK list-members. The

Canadian Green Party have run a huge campaign against David Icke. Now, for

you and other non UK members, David Icke was a footballer turned

commentator. He then had an extreme spiritual experience, and started trying

to express his new spirituality. This is a dangerous thing to do as a

football commentator in the UK (Glenn Hoddle did something similar, although

not to the same extent) - the press pounced on him, misquoted him and

basically ridiculed him at every turn - for about 2 years in the 1980s his

name was synonymous with lunacy, and this is still the general opinion of

him in the UK - which is sad, because it means a lot of people don't listen

to what he has to say! Now, for the past ten years, he's been writing books

exposing conspiracies and all sorts of other nasty things that our

governments get up to. Now, I don't necessarily agree with all his

conclusions - but (putting on the " historian " hat) his books are some of the

best researched I have ever read. Sorry, that's just the intro...

 

Now, David Icke also does lectures. However, the Canadian Green Party have

decided that David Icke is anti-Semitic. They provide no evidence to back up

this claim, but for the space of two years or more, they have been sending

material to every place he is booked to speak making false claims about his

work. Unfortunately, most of the venues are so afraid of legal action, they

cancel the lectures without bothering to check up. This is not helped by the

fact that the Canadian Green Party also has succeeded in fooling the

Anti-Nazi League in the UK into picketing every place where David Icke is

booked to appear. I have personally had a long e-mail discussion with the

Anti-Nazi league over this - they have provided no evidence to back up their

claims beyond the material sent to them by the Canadian Greens - they can

not quote a single line of David Icke's material (either spoken or written)

to even suggest he is racist. They have not even bothered to check up on the

people who sent the material - if they had, they'd have found that the same

people seem to want to see statues of Ku Klux Klan founders kept intact!

When tackled on this, the only response they could give was " David Icke is

racist, but we don't have the time to go into further detail " (but they've

got the time to picket his lectures???) - Sorry, this is something that

really wound me up!

 

> Well,it damn sure isn't policy of the Green Party *I'm* involved

> in!!! Again,this is ridiculous and appalling...honestly,me and you

> should talk about this offlist...if what you say is true,I'd like to

> see about getting these cats " de-Greened " ,so to speak

 

Definitely - feel free to e-mail me off-list, but don't worry about carrying

on the conversation on list - the whole point of this list is that there is

no such thing as " off-topic " !

 

>...hmm,I'm

> wondering..there is a group that exists that is bastardising the

> Green's good name..they're called..get this..The Libertarian National

> Socialist Green Party...aside from being a mouthful...their emblem is

> a Green Swastika flag!! the address is nazi.org Terrible

> stuff

 

Great (due to limitations of e-mail, this is intoned with a heavy sense of

sarcasm)!

 

>...it's a shame,cause they start off with all these great

> ideas,and then a few paragraphs down,suddenly it's all about the

> evils of Jews and race-mixing and Aryan superiority. *sigh*..perhaps

> the " Greens " you've encountered are a faction of this group,and not

> the true Greens? I dunno,it's a suggestion. But let's talk...

 

They could well be connected in some way - i.e. in terms of discrediting

Greens. They seem to be from the opposite end of the spectrum, though - the

Canadian Greens are very closely linked to B'nai Brith - one of those

minority groups who outwardly claim to be representing " Jewish interests " ,

but actually seem to be designed to stir up anti-Semitic fervour! But I tend

to think that these groups and the Nazi groups actually work in tandem, even

though they outwardly represent opposites!

 

> nice to meet you!

 

You too.

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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> Easiest to name a few bands - Dream Theater (obviously!), Shadow

Gallery,

> Symphony X, Royal Hunt, Rhapsody, Vanden Plas, Empty Tremor (damn

good band,

> but virtually unknown), Spocks Beard, Conception, Majestic, Sonata

Arctica,

> etc.

 

 

ahh..not my thing,other than Rhapsody.

 

- the

> Canadian Greens are very closely linked to B'nai Brith - one of

those

> minority groups who outwardly claim to be representing " Jewish

interests " ,

> but actually seem to be designed to stir up anti-Semitic fervour!

 

 

a ha!!! Now I get it...we have a similar problem here..the Anti

Defamation League,supposed to be a great anti-racist group,right?

Well,apparently they have our ARA(Anti-Racist Action) group on their

list of hate groups. ummm..hello? Yeah,they alkso have the anarchy @

circle-A right next to the swastika and other racist symbols as a

racist symbol..they piss me off...but we have one of our

people " working " for them now....tryin to get to the bottom of

them..I'm baffled as to their motives.

 

 

Chris X

[Guest guest]

Hi Chris

 

> > - the Canadian Greens are very closely linked to B'nai Brith - one of

> > those minority groups who outwardly claim to be representing " Jewish

> > interests " , but actually seem to be designed to stir up anti-Semitic

fervour!

 

> a ha!!! Now I get it...we have a similar problem here..the Anti

> Defamation League,supposed to be a great anti-racist group,right?

 

Indeedy - you'll also notice that they share offices with B'nai Brith -

small world, isn't it!

 

I seem to recall that, in the last 18 months the ADL have had to pay out

over 5 million dollars in defamation cases - there's irony for you!

 

Just to give a bit more info on B'nai Brith - they are a very small group

who claim to be Jewish - they present what could be classified as

fundamentalist ultra-orthodox Judaism - i.e. that Jews are the chosen

people, and are superior to gentiles. Now, we're both intelligent enough to

realise that this is simply a group of right wing extremists - no different

to any other Nazi style organisation - but the way they present themselves

publicly is as representing the Jewish people - which a lot of people fall

for.

 

> Well,apparently they have our ARA(Anti-Racist Action) group on their

> list of hate groups. ummm..hello?

 

If I didn't already know about the ADL, I'd probably be surprised!

 

> Yeah,they alkso have the anarchy @

> circle-A right next to the swastika and other racist symbols as a

> racist symbol.

 

And the swastika isn't even a racist symbol anyway - it was just adopted by

Hitler!

 

>.they piss me off...but we have one of our

> people " working " for them now....tryin to get to the bottom of

> them..I'm baffled as to their motives.

 

Good luck - I'll be interested to hear what you find. If you want my theory

on their motives...

 

Simple - they wish to create a divided society - in continually highlighting

what they call anti-Semitism (even where none exists), they continue to draw

a cultural line which becomes increasingly harder to ignore. It creates

suspicion and hatred between those on either side of the line which manages

to distract everybody from what is really going on. The real issue is

supression of truth - anybody who comes too close can simply be accused of

anti-Semitism (please note - most of the people accused of anti-Semitism are

wrongly accused) - and, because the ADL have done such a good job of

brainwashing everyone into believing what a great organisation they are,

nobody will read the works of people branded anti-Semitic or " holocaust

deniers " - a phrase which is used to refer to anybody who points out that,

alongside the millions of Jews killed in concentration camps were millions

of homosexuals, gypsies, trade unionists, etc. The real downside of this is

that actual anti-Semitism gets lost in the melee.

 

That's my twopennorth.

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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>Whats wrong with those crazy Canucks?*sigh*

 

Hey now... I'm not here to defend my Canuckhood. :oP

 

-Kate

 

 

 

Peter

Mon 12/11/2001 19:08

 

Cc:

Prog / Death Metal & Canadian Green Party

(what a mixture!)

 

Hi Chris

 

> what kind of progmetal?

 

Easiest to name a few bands - Dream Theater (obviously!), Shadow

Gallery,

Symphony X, Royal Hunt, Rhapsody, Vanden Plas, Empty Tremor (damn good

band,

but virtually unknown), Spocks Beard, Conception, Majestic, Sonata

Arctica,

etc.

 

> That's not really my thing,but I'm

> interested in what you define as prog,we may share some interests

> there as well....you like Rhapsody?

 

Yeah - one of my favourites - also, Luca Turilli's solo album and Vision

Divine! Unfortunately, there's no indication that they'll ever tour the

UK

:-(

 

> But yeah,Emperor rules..have you

> heard the new album?GODLY!

 

Interesting thing with me and Emperor - I don't actually know any of

their

material by name - but apparently I'm really influenced by them in the

stuff

I write (so I'm told)!!! Bizarre!

 

> that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard!!! I can tell you that

> us GPOPers (Green Party of Philadelphia)wouldn't stand for such a

> thing.That sounds more Republican than green...jeez.Whats wrong with

> those crazy Canucks?*sigh*

 

I dunno - I think they've got a couple of nutters who've got to the top

of

the party, and are running it as their own personal platform.

 

> > and successful attempts to curtail freedom of speech of certain

> > individuals in America and the UK by making potentially libellous

> > claims of

> > racism!

> like what? Can you give me any examples?I'm not doubting you,just

> curious.

 

Definitely. Prepare for the shocked responses from UK list-members. The

Canadian Green Party have run a huge campaign against David Icke. Now,

for

you and other non UK members, David Icke was a footballer turned

commentator. He then had an extreme spiritual experience, and started

trying

to express his new spirituality. This is a dangerous thing to do as a

football commentator in the UK (Glenn Hoddle did something similar,

although

not to the same extent) - the press pounced on him, misquoted him and

basically ridiculed him at every turn - for about 2 years in the 1980s

his

name was synonymous with lunacy, and this is still the general opinion

of

him in the UK - which is sad, because it means a lot of people don't

listen

to what he has to say! Now, for the past ten years, he's been writing

books

exposing conspiracies and all sorts of other nasty things that our

governments get up to. Now, I don't necessarily agree with all his

conclusions - but (putting on the " historian " hat) his books are some of

the

best researched I have ever read. Sorry, that's just the intro...

 

Now, David Icke also does lectures. However, the Canadian Green Party

have

decided that David Icke is anti-Semitic. They provide no evidence to

back up

this claim, but for the space of two years or more, they have been

sending

material to every place he is booked to speak making false claims about

his

work. Unfortunately, most of the venues are so afraid of legal action,

they

cancel the lectures without bothering to check up. This is not helped by

the

fact that the Canadian Green Party also has succeeded in fooling the

Anti-Nazi League in the UK into picketing every place where David Icke

is

booked to appear. I have personally had a long e-mail discussion with

the

Anti-Nazi league over this - they have provided no evidence to back up

their

claims beyond the material sent to them by the Canadian Greens - they

can

not quote a single line of David Icke's material (either spoken or

written)

to even suggest he is racist. They have not even bothered to check up on

the

people who sent the material - if they had, they'd have found that the

same

people seem to want to see statues of Ku Klux Klan founders kept intact!

When tackled on this, the only response they could give was " David Icke

is

racist, but we don't have the time to go into further detail " (but

they've

got the time to picket his lectures???) - Sorry, this is something that

really wound me up!

 

> Well,it damn sure isn't policy of the Green Party *I'm* involved

> in!!! Again,this is ridiculous and appalling...honestly,me and you

> should talk about this offlist...if what you say is true,I'd like to

> see about getting these cats " de-Greened " ,so to speak

 

Definitely - feel free to e-mail me off-list, but don't worry about

carrying

on the conversation on list - the whole point of this list is that there

is

no such thing as " off-topic " !

 

>...hmm,I'm

> wondering..there is a group that exists that is bastardising the

> Green's good name..they're called..get this..The Libertarian National

> Socialist Green Party...aside from being a mouthful...their emblem is

> a Green Swastika flag!! the address is nazi.org Terrible

> stuff

 

Great (due to limitations of e-mail, this is intoned with a heavy sense

of

sarcasm)!

 

>...it's a shame,cause they start off with all these great

> ideas,and then a few paragraphs down,suddenly it's all about the

> evils of Jews and race-mixing and Aryan superiority. *sigh*..perhaps

> the " Greens " you've encountered are a faction of this group,and not

> the true Greens? I dunno,it's a suggestion. But let's talk...

 

They could well be connected in some way - i.e. in terms of discrediting

Greens. They seem to be from the opposite end of the spectrum, though -

the

Canadian Greens are very closely linked to B'nai Brith - one of those

minority groups who outwardly claim to be representing " Jewish

interests " ,

but actually seem to be designed to stir up anti-Semitic fervour! But I

tend

to think that these groups and the Nazi groups actually work in tandem,

even

though they outwardly represent opposites!

 

> nice to meet you!

 

You too.

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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*scratches head*

do you have to have long hair to have heard of these bands?? are they english?

never heard of a single one of these.....all i keep thinking of is tangerine

dream ..ahahahahahahahahahahahahhaaha...

oh well, teach each their own

fraggle

 

" Peter " <Snowbow wrote:

 

>Hi Chris

>

>> what kind of progmetal?

>

>Easiest to name a few bands - Dream Theater (obviously!), Shadow Gallery,

>Symphony X, Royal Hunt, Rhapsody, Vanden Plas, Empty Tremor (damn good band,

>but virtually unknown), Spocks Beard, Conception, Majestic, Sonata Arctica,

>etc.

>

>> That's not really my thing,but I'm

>> interested in what you define as prog,we may share some interests

>> there as well....you like Rhapsody?

>

>Yeah - one of my favourites - also, Luca Turilli's solo album and Vision

>Divine! Unfortunately, there's no indication that they'll ever tour the UK

>:-(

>

>> But yeah,Emperor rules..have you

>> heard the new album?GODLY!

>

>Interesting thing with me and Emperor - I don't actually know any of their

>material by name - but apparently I'm really influenced by them in the stuff

>I write (so I'm told)!!! Bizarre!

>

>> that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard!!! I can tell you that

>> us GPOPers (Green Party of Philadelphia)wouldn't stand for such a

>> thing.That sounds more Republican than green...jeez.Whats wrong with

>> those crazy Canucks?*sigh*

>

>I dunno - I think they've got a couple of nutters who've got to the top of

>the party, and are running it as their own personal platform.

>

>> > and successful attempts to curtail freedom of speech of certain

>> > individuals in America and the UK by making potentially libellous

>> > claims of

>> > racism!

>> like what? Can you give me any examples?I'm not doubting you,just

>> curious.

>

>Definitely. Prepare for the shocked responses from UK list-members. The

>Canadian Green Party have run a huge campaign against David Icke. Now, for

>you and other non UK members, David Icke was a footballer turned

>commentator. He then had an extreme spiritual experience, and started trying

>to express his new spirituality. This is a dangerous thing to do as a

>football commentator in the UK (Glenn Hoddle did something similar, although

>not to the same extent) - the press pounced on him, misquoted him and

>basically ridiculed him at every turn - for about 2 years in the 1980s his

>name was synonymous with lunacy, and this is still the general opinion of

>him in the UK - which is sad, because it means a lot of people don't listen

>to what he has to say! Now, for the past ten years, he's been writing books

>exposing conspiracies and all sorts of other nasty things that our

>governments get up to. Now, I don't necessarily agree with all his

>conclusions - but (putting on the " historian " hat) his books are some of the

>best researched I have ever read. Sorry, that's just the intro...

>

>Now, David Icke also does lectures. However, the Canadian Green Party have

>decided that David Icke is anti-Semitic. They provide no evidence to back up

>this claim, but for the space of two years or more, they have been sending

>material to every place he is booked to speak making false claims about his

>work. Unfortunately, most of the venues are so afraid of legal action, they

>cancel the lectures without bothering to check up. This is not helped by the

>fact that the Canadian Green Party also has succeeded in fooling the

>Anti-Nazi League in the UK into picketing every place where David Icke is

>booked to appear. I have personally had a long e-mail discussion with the

>Anti-Nazi league over this - they have provided no evidence to back up their

>claims beyond the material sent to them by the Canadian Greens - they can

>not quote a single line of David Icke's material (either spoken or written)

>to even suggest he is racist. They have not even bothered to check up on the

>people who sent the material - if they had, they'd have found that the same

>people seem to want to see statues of Ku Klux Klan founders kept intact!

>When tackled on this, the only response they could give was " David Icke is

>racist, but we don't have the time to go into further detail " (but they've

>got the time to picket his lectures???) - Sorry, this is something that

>really wound me up!

>

>> Well,it damn sure isn't policy of the Green Party *I'm* involved

>> in!!! Again,this is ridiculous and appalling...honestly,me and you

>> should talk about this offlist...if what you say is true,I'd like to

>> see about getting these cats " de-Greened " ,so to speak

>

>Definitely - feel free to e-mail me off-list, but don't worry about carrying

>on the conversation on list - the whole point of this list is that there is

>no such thing as " off-topic " !

>

>>...hmm,I'm

>> wondering..there is a group that exists that is bastardising the

>> Green's good name..they're called..get this..The Libertarian National

>> Socialist Green Party...aside from being a mouthful...their emblem is

>> a Green Swastika flag!! the address is nazi.org Terrible

>> stuff

>

>Great (due to limitations of e-mail, this is intoned with a heavy sense of

>sarcasm)!

>

>>...it's a shame,cause they start off with all these great

>> ideas,and then a few paragraphs down,suddenly it's all about the

>> evils of Jews and race-mixing and Aryan superiority. *sigh*..perhaps

>> the " Greens " you've encountered are a faction of this group,and not

>> the true Greens? I dunno,it's a suggestion. But let's talk...

>

>They could well be connected in some way - i.e. in terms of discrediting

>Greens. They seem to be from the opposite end of the spectrum, though - the

>Canadian Greens are very closely linked to B'nai Brith - one of those

>minority groups who outwardly claim to be representing " Jewish interests " ,

>but actually seem to be designed to stir up anti-Semitic fervour! But I tend

>to think that these groups and the Nazi groups actually work in tandem, even

>though they outwardly represent opposites!

>

>> nice to meet you!

>

>You too.

>

>BB

>Peter

>

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Hi Fraggle

 

> do you have to have long hair to have heard of these bands??

 

Nope - I haven't got long hair (gets in the eyes too much!!)

 

> are they english?

 

Nope:

 

Dream Theater - American (Canadian vocalist)

Shadow Gallery - American

Symphony X - American

Royal Hunt - Scandinavian (I think Danish, with an American vocalist)

Rhapsody - Italian

Vanden Plas - German

Empty Tremor - Italian

Spocks Beard - American

Conception - Norwegian (I think)

Majestic - Swedish (but I think with an Italian vocalist?)

Sonata Arctica - Finnish (I think)

Oh, and I forgot to mention Stratovarius who are Finnish.

 

BB

Peter