vegan logic

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It occurred to me that a more radical vegan, who would believe

him/herself not 'radical,' but a 'true' vegan, cannot eat vegetables

that were fertilized with manure, an animal product. Or is there an

excuse given to relax this rather difficult condition? Also, what about

dumping ladybugs into crops as 'natural' pesticides? Wouldn't this be

considered animal exploitation and, therefore, not fit for a vegan by

the strictest definition?

 

LVX,

 

Corry

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They become "raw " or frutarians (also said frugivores or fructarians ) ...Corry <apocalypse888 wrote: It occurred to me that a more radical vegan, who would believe him/herself not 'radical,' but a 'true' vegan, cannot eat vegetables that were fertilized with manure, an animal product. Or is there an excuse given to relax this rather difficult condition? Also, what about dumping ladybugs into crops as 'natural'

pesticides? Wouldn't this be considered animal exploitation and, therefore, not fit for a vegan by the strictest definition?LVX,Corry

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At 9:47 PM +0000 5/14/07, Corry wrote:

>It occurred to me that a more radical vegan, who would believe

>him/herself not 'radical,' but a 'true' vegan, cannot eat vegetables

>that were fertilized with manure, an animal product. Or is there an

>excuse given to relax this rather difficult condition? Also, what about

>dumping ladybugs into crops as 'natural' pesticides? Wouldn't this be

>considered animal exploitation and, therefore, not fit for a vegan by

>the strictest definition?

 

Veganic gardening is in fact quite productive. I fertilized my garden

with homemade compost (plus seaweed) for several years. This past

year we had horse manure available in great quantities at the

community garden, so I've composted it over the winter and added some

to my tomato and bean bed, and I will see if it makes a difference.

(I was assured the horses were well cared for and fed nothing toxic.)

I think the only way to get veganic produce is to grow it yourself,

or to find a veganic grower.

 

Most of the outbreaks of the bad strain of E. coli (0157?) were from

manure contamination. Eating food that has been grown in manure is

bad for everyone. *Well-composted* manure, however, can be safe to

use if it has not been contaminated with pesticides and hormones and

antibiotics. Other substances commonly used in organic gardening are

far worse -- fish products, blood meal, and bone meal.

 

Dumping purchased lady beetles into a garden is at best a waste of

money. Usually they are collected from the mountains where they

overwinter. When let loose in the garden, they fly away. It's the

lady beetle larvae who are the most voracious eaters of aphids etc.,

so you would have to find a way to make them stay long enough to lay

eggs. Much more effective is to plant flowers that attract beneficial

insects. I see lady beetles on my yarrow plants whenever I visit my

garden, as well as native bees.

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Over the last few years we have managed to buy bags of compost that

is animal free, and states it, which is good. We also have loads of

our own compost from our kitchen and garden waste.

 

I think it is best to not use manure, but don't think it detracts

from all the other extremely good efforts made by vegans.

 

Jo

 

, yarrow wrote:

>

> At 9:47 PM +0000 5/14/07, Corry wrote:

> >It occurred to me that a more radical vegan, who would believe

> >him/herself not 'radical,' but a 'true' vegan, cannot eat

vegetables

> >that were fertilized with manure, an animal product. Or is there an

> >excuse given to relax this rather difficult condition? Also, what

about

> >dumping ladybugs into crops as 'natural' pesticides? Wouldn't this

be

> >considered animal exploitation and, therefore, not fit for a vegan

by

> >the strictest definition?

>

> Veganic gardening is in fact quite productive. I fertilized my

garden

> with homemade compost (plus seaweed) for several years. This past

> year we had horse manure available in great quantities at the

> community garden, so I've composted it over the winter and added

some

> to my tomato and bean bed, and I will see if it makes a difference.

> (I was assured the horses were well cared for and fed nothing

toxic.)

> I think the only way to get veganic produce is to grow it yourself,

> or to find a veganic grower.

>

> Most of the outbreaks of the bad strain of E. coli (0157?) were

from

> manure contamination. Eating food that has been grown in manure is

> bad for everyone. *Well-composted* manure, however, can be safe to

> use if it has not been contaminated with pesticides and hormones

and

> antibiotics. Other substances commonly used in organic gardening

are

> far worse -- fish products, blood meal, and bone meal.

>

> Dumping purchased lady beetles into a garden is at best a waste of

> money. Usually they are collected from the mountains where they

> overwinter. When let loose in the garden, they fly away. It's the

> lady beetle larvae who are the most voracious eaters of aphids

etc.,

> so you would have to find a way to make them stay long enough to

lay

> eggs. Much more effective is to plant flowers that attract

beneficial

> insects. I see lady beetles on my yarrow plants whenever I visit my

> garden, as well as native bees.

>

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Hi Connie

 

I don't think that's quite the same thing. A raw fruitarian is someone who has a vegan diet, but doesn't cook any food at all.

 

BB

Peter

 

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connie bell

Monday, May 14, 2007 11:28 PM

Re: vegan logic

They become "raw " or frutarians (also said frugivores or fructarians ) ...Corry <apocalypse888 wrote:

 

It occurred to me that a more radical vegan, who would believe him/herself not 'radical,' but a 'true' vegan, cannot eat vegetables that were fertilized with manure, an animal product. Or is there an excuse given to relax this rather difficult condition? Also, what about dumping ladybugs into crops as 'natural' pesticides? Wouldn't this be considered animal exploitation and, therefore, not fit for a vegan by the strictest definition?LVX,Corry

 

 

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[[Most of the outbreaks of the bad strain of E. coli (0157?) were from manure contamination]]

 

That was human manure, for the record.

 

I wouldn't feel exploited in the least if someone found a use for my waste products, and I doubt that other species do, either. I can respect not wanting to take the risk of using any sort of manure on your vegetable garden, but it's still great for pasture, for ornamental plants, etc. Any lawn that has had rabbits grazing (and defecating) on it will probably be the greenest lawn on the block, and I am very sure the rabbits don't mind. (Although they do eat a portion of their own droppings.)