Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Well said, although I hate the 3 against whoever stuff, it shouldnt get personal, but sometimes you go against someones core beliefs things do get messy. To recap: we are all individuals and all still entitled to our own opinions ( at least until the chip is inserted!) add soya milk and stir slowly over low heat. plants can be dug up and split between September/October and March/April. Right you lot, you have 30 minutes to complete the paper, no cheatin. The Valley Vegan..................jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi NikkiI think personally that this has been blown way out of proportion. Therehas been no big argument. Someone asked a question - some people answeredit - one with and three against. Nobody was rude or used bad language. Thediscussion then changed and three people were against Peter (although I'msure he can take it). Therefore no more people have been against Jenniferthan have been against Peter. Basically, a question was asked and has beenanswered. Most of the rest of the posts have been saying who was right andwho was wrong in answering the question. It hasn't even managed to become aproper discussion.It doesn't really matter what ideals we have, and what ideals newcomershave - for there to be any interaction at all, views must be stated. If wewere all too scared to say what our opinion is we might as well just shut upshop. Jennifer was not scared to give her opinion and the rest of us whohave commented have not been scared to give ours. I cannot see a problemwith that.You say that Jennifer 'is a human being with her own thoughts and ideals andshould be allowed to have those, and those ideals do not have to match yoursor mine'. I think the same courtesy should be given to all members on thelist, including me, Peter and Peter VV?BBJo>I am not saying that Jennifer was 100% right or 100% wrong. I am> saying she is a human being with her own thoughts and ideals and> should be allowed to have those. And those ideals do not have to> match yours or mine.-"earthstrm" Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:55 PM Re: Navy Daze and Vegan Nights> Hi Peter>> My last comment, I Promise, I Promise, I Promise!>> And it is only because you bring up the absolute best point here> Peter to show both sides of this. The absolute best point! This> completely explains what I meant and what you meant and why. At> least I think it does. >> You said:> > Hmmm... I think if I joined a list where the main ethic was one of> not> > killing, I wouldn't make my first post one of "hey, my husband's> in the> > military - what do you all think of that?">>> I do not believe that is the group that she joined. Or if she did,> she did not know it. By saying this, you are stating that every> Vegan believes this and therefore by joining a Vegan group that is> what the group must be about and all vegans must follow it. Not> everyone is vegan or veggie for the same reasons that you are or> that I am or that anyone is. Some are for health. And even those> that are for animals does not mean that they care about all species,> or wars or rights or anything else. By saying this you assume that> they do.>> Next, the list description on the home page reads:>> "This group is intended for vegans to chat about anything and> everything - whether related to veganism or not!>> Polite and friendly discussions on any topic welcomed - if> disagreements occur, please keep them on a mature level.>> Vegetarians also welcome.>> Due to repetative problems with spammers, all new members must be> approved by the moderator before joining, and will be moderated> until they have introduced themselves to the list. Please note that> if your introduction appears to be an advertisement, it will not> reach the list, and you may be removed!">> Where does it read no killers allowed? LOL I know, it sounds silly,> but really. You assumed she was joining a group with your ideals,> where in fact she was just joining a vegan group. She could have> different ideals.>> Seriously, I am so not bringing this up to argue with you. I am> showing you my point of view on this because I am not sure if you> all understood why I was so upset about this. I do not agree with> all of Jennifer's thoughts, but I also did not like seeing a new> member feeling like she could not talk to us. I dunno, felt> like "we" ganged up on her to me. I know she asked, but I do not> think that she realized the type of answer that she would get.>> I am not saying that Jennifer was 100% right or 100% wrong. I am> saying she is a human being with her own thoughts and ideals and> should be allowed to have those. And those ideals do not have to> match yours or mine.>> Crap, why did I come back here tonight? Oh, I know why and I am> going to go complain to him now...>> I'm done, seriously. I just thought that you deserved an answer is> all and I did not want to leave you hanging on it.>> Sorry>> BB> Nikki>>>>> , "Peter Kebbell" > wrote:> >> > Hi Nikki> >> > Hmmm... I think if I joined a list where the main ethic was one of> not> > killing, I wouldn't make my first post one of "hey, my husband's> in the> > military - what do you all think of that?" It seems to me like it> was a> > question specifically designed to cause a reaction, which is one> of the main> > reasons I left it alone for so long.> >> > BB> > Peter>>>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Hi Peter I do agree - my point being that some people can take three people putting an opposing idea and some people can't, so shouldn't ask for opinions. Jo - peter VV Wednesday, October 18, 2006 7:06 PM Re: Re: Navy knickers Well said, although I hate the 3 against whoever stuff, it shouldnt get personal, but sometimes you go against someones core beliefs things do get messy. To recap: we are all individuals and all still entitled to our own opinions ( at least until the chip is inserted!) add soya milk and stir slowly over low heat. plants can be dug up and split between September/October and March/April. Right you lot, you have 30 minutes to complete the paper, no cheatin. The Valley Vegan..................jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi NikkiI think personally that this has been blown way out of proportion. Therehas been no big argument. Someone asked a question - some people answeredit - one with and three against. Nobody was rude or used bad language. Thediscussion then changed and three people were against Peter (although I'msure he can take it). Therefore no more people have been against Jenniferthan have been against Peter. Basically, a question was asked and has beenanswered. Most of the rest of the posts have been saying who was right andwho was wrong in answering the question. It hasn't even managed to become aproper discussion.It doesn't really matter what ideals we have, and what ideals newcomershave - for there to be any interaction at all, views must be stated. If wewere all too scared to say what our opinion is we might as well just shut upshop. Jennifer was not scared to give her opinion and the rest of us whohave commented have not been scared to give ours. I cannot see a problemwith that.You say that Jennifer 'is a human being with her own thoughts and ideals andshould be allowed to have those, and those ideals do not have to match yoursor mine'. I think the same courtesy should be given to all members on thelist, including me, Peter and Peter VV?BBJo>I am not saying that Jennifer was 100% right or 100% wrong. I am> saying she is a human being with her own thoughts and ideals and> should be allowed to have those. And those ideals do not have to> match yours or mine.-"earthstrm" Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:55 PM Re: Navy Daze and Vegan Nights> Hi Peter>> My last comment, I Promise, I Promise, I Promise!>> And it is only because you bring up the absolute best point here> Peter to show both sides of this. The absolute best point! This> completely explains what I meant and what you meant and why. At> least I think it does. >> You said:> > Hmmm... I think if I joined a list where the main ethic was one of> not> > killing, I wouldn't make my first post one of "hey, my husband's> in the> > military - what do you all think of that?">>> I do not believe that is the group that she joined. Or if she did,> she did not know it. By saying this, you are stating that every> Vegan believes this and therefore by joining a Vegan group that is> what the group must be about and all vegans must follow it. Not> everyone is vegan or veggie for the same reasons that you are or> that I am or that anyone is. Some are for health. And even those> that are for animals does not mean that they care about all species,> or wars or rights or anything else. By saying this you assume that> they do.>> Next, the list description on the home page reads:>> "This group is intended for vegans to chat about anything and> everything - whether related to veganism or not!>> Polite and friendly discussions on any topic welcomed - if> disagreements occur, please keep them on a mature level.>> Vegetarians also welcome.>> Due to repetative problems with spammers, all new members must be> approved by the moderator before joining, and will be moderated> until they have introduced themselves to the list. Please note that> if your introduction appears to be an advertisement, it will not> reach the list, and you may be removed!">> Where does it read no killers allowed? LOL I know, it sounds silly,> but really. You assumed she was joining a group with your ideals,> where in fact she was just joining a vegan group. She could have> different ideals.>> Seriously, I am so not bringing this up to argue with you. I am> showing you my point of view on this because I am not sure if you> all understood why I was so upset about this. I do not agree with> all of Jennifer's thoughts, but I also did not like seeing a new> member feeling like she could not talk to us. I dunno, felt> like "we" ganged up on her to me. I know she asked, but I do not> think that she realized the type of answer that she would get.>> I am not saying that Jennifer was 100% right or 100% wrong. I am> saying she is a human being with her own thoughts and ideals and> should be allowed to have those. And those ideals do not have to> match yours or mine.>> Crap, why did I come back here tonight? Oh, I know why and I am> going to go complain to him now...>> I'm done, seriously. I just thought that you deserved an answer is> all and I did not want to leave you hanging on it.>> Sorry>> BB> Nikki>>>>> , "Peter Kebbell" > wrote:> >> > Hi Nikki> >> > Hmmm... I think if I joined a list where the main ethic was one of> not> > killing, I wouldn't make my first post one of "hey, my husband's> in the> > military - what do you all think of that?" It seems to me like it> was a> > question specifically designed to cause a reaction, which is one> of the main> > reasons I left it alone for so long.> >> > BB> > Peter>>>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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