Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 winter solstice which just passed..umm..15 minutes ago and seasons greetings, happy holidays, joyous juvenalia, merry kwanzaa, happy x-mas, happy channuka, have a spectacular saturnalia, have a special sol invictus day/mithra's birthday and yip yip hurray fer Yule.... what is peace to the people who work the land and die in wars? it was learned in a game that was played by us all who held the top of the hill from the rest was called the king and I can't believe it all was good for humankind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Yeah all of them back at you. The Valley Vegan..............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: winter solsticewhich just passed..umm..15 minutes agoand seasons greetings, happy holidays, joyous juvenalia, merry kwanzaa, happy x-mas, happy channuka, have a spectacular saturnalia, have a special sol invictus day/mithra's birthday and yip yip hurray fer Yule....what is peace to the people who work the land and die in wars? it was learned in a game that was played by us allwho held the top of the hillfrom the rest was called the king and I can't believe it all was good for humankind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Hi Fraggle > and seasons greetings, happy holidays, joyous juvenalia, merry kwanzaa, happy x-mas, happy channuka, have a spectacular > saturnalia, have a special sol invictus day/mithra's birthday and yip yip hurray fer Yule.... I'm deeply, deeply offended that you missed out the most ancient winter festival of all.... Potato Day. The day when those of us so inclined celebrate the fact that is only nine more months until we can have freshly picked potatoes, and all those inclined to mash will be foiled for yet another year.... BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 english national potato day is Feb 2nd... we are too busy waking up sleeping groundhogs on that day its in october in belgium..must be potato reformists >Peter <metalscarab >Dec 21, 2005 11:37 AM > >Re: merry > >Hi Fraggle > >> and seasons greetings, happy holidays, joyous juvenalia, merry kwanzaa, >happy x-mas, happy channuka, have a spectacular >> saturnalia, have a special sol invictus day/mithra's birthday and yip yip >hurray fer Yule.... > >I'm deeply, deeply offended that you missed out the most ancient winter >festival of all.... Potato Day. The day when those of us so inclined >celebrate the fact that is only nine more months until we can have freshly >picked potatoes, and all those inclined to mash will be foiled for yet >another year.... > >BB >Peter > > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Smash em I say! The Valley Vegan............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: english national potato day is Feb 2nd...we are too busy waking up sleeping groundhogs on that dayits in october in belgium..must be potato reformists>Peter >Dec 21, 2005 11:37 AM> >Re: merry>>Hi Fraggle>>> and seasons greetings, happy holidays, joyous juvenalia, merry kwanzaa,>happy x-mas, happy channuka, have a spectacular>> saturnalia, have a special sol invictus day/mithra's birthday and yip yip>hurray fer Yule....>>I'm deeply, deeply offended that you missed out the most ancient winter>festival of all.... Potato Day. The day when those of us so inclined>celebrate the fact that is only nine more months until we can have freshly>picked potatoes, and all those inclined to mash will be foiled for yet>another year....>>BB>Peter>>>>>To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Hi Fraggle > english national potato day is Feb 2nd... I don't to these late-comers who tried to move all the ancient festivals.... it's a midwinter festival... always was, and always will be. Stupid British Potato Council! > its in october in belgium..must be potato reformists October at least makes some sort of sense... but that's a completely different festival :-) BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 wouldn't midwinter be the late january/early feb.? >Peter <metalscarab >Dec 21, 2005 3:30 PM > >Re: merry > >Hi Fraggle > >> english national potato day is Feb 2nd... > >I don't to these late-comers who tried to move all the ancient >festivals.... it's a midwinter festival... always was, and always will be. >Stupid British Potato Council! > >> its in october in belgium..must be potato reformists > >October at least makes some sort of sense... but that's a completely >different festival :-) > >BB >Peter > > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Hi Fraggle > wouldn't midwinter be the late january/early feb.? I think you may be misunderstanding the " mid " part of mid-winter. It means " in the middle of... " , and therefore means the central point of winter. If midwinter was early february, then midsummer would have to be early august.... BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 did a quick search on the term " mid winter " every mid winter festival, sale, anything..is in late january, early feb.... dunno about over thar..but..late january seems pretty mid winter to me winter is december january and feb, crossing into march....(it generally snows at least twice in the new england in march) >Peter <metalscarab >Dec 22, 2005 5:46 AM > >Re: merry > >Hi Fraggle > >> wouldn't midwinter be the late january/early feb.? > >I think you may be misunderstanding the " mid " part of mid-winter. It means > " in the middle of... " , and therefore means the central point of winter. If >midwinter was early february, then midsummer would have to be early >august.... > >BB >Peter > > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Hi Fraggle > dunno about over thar..but..late january seems pretty mid winter to me > winter is december january and feb, crossing into march....(it generally snows at least twice in the new england in march) OK, let's take this logically then.... If winter doesn't start until December, then autumn must go on to December (or are you proposing that there's a fifth season?)... when did you last see autumn in December? Mind you, I suppose you live in California, where everything is a bit odd! In the UK, it gets wintry at around the start of November. Spring starts around early February when the early plants start to flower - that sticks midwinter pretty much mid December. And since we were celebrating midwinter in December (St Lucy's Day - 13th December before the 1752) in Britain for at least 1000 years before Europeans marched across to America, I think our midwinter has some traditional claim of accuracy. BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 u sayin there was no winter here before there were europeans then? interesting thought winter holds fer most of the northern tier of staes(not including alaska) up until march new york and New england still get snow thru march, tho the crocuses use to come up around march 3-10th in california...at least the bay area..it doesn;t get " cold " til well into december... today its about 64F...rainin tho.... it'll chill down again in january. now if you wanna go by calendar...then officially winter began yesterday.... first day of spring is april that would make mid winter smack dab in feb! >Peter <metalscarab >Dec 22, 2005 11:04 AM > >Re: merry > >Hi Fraggle > >> dunno about over thar..but..late january seems pretty mid winter to me >> winter is december january and feb, crossing into march....(it generally >snows at least twice in the new england in march) > >OK, let's take this logically then.... If winter doesn't start until >December, then autumn must go on to December (or are you proposing that >there's a fifth season?)... when did you last see autumn in December? Mind >you, I suppose you live in California, where everything is a bit odd! > >In the UK, it gets wintry at around the start of November. Spring starts >around early February when the early plants start to flower - that sticks >midwinter pretty much mid December. And since we were celebrating midwinter >in December (St Lucy's Day - 13th December before the 1752) in Britain for >at least 1000 years before Europeans marched across to America, I think our >midwinter has some traditional claim of accuracy. > >BB >Peter > > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 I always thought that the first day of spring was 20th of March? doo I need to reset my watch? The Valley Vegan.................Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Fraggle> dunno about over thar..but..late january seems pretty mid winter to me> winter is december january and feb, crossing into march....(it generallysnows at least twice in the new england in march)OK, let's take this logically then.... If winter doesn't start untilDecember, then autumn must go on to December (or are you proposing thatthere's a fifth season?)... when did you last see autumn in December? Mindyou, I suppose you live in California, where everything is a bit odd!In the UK, it gets wintry at around the start of November. Spring startsaround early February when the early plants start to flower - that sticksmidwinter pretty much mid December. And since we were celebrating midwinterin December (St Lucy's Day - 13th December before the 1752) in Britain forat least 1000 years before Europeans marched across to America, I think ourmidwinter has some traditional claim of accuracy.BBPeter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 yer right..march 21st.... peter hurd Dec 22, 2005 12:02 PM Re: merry I always thought that the first day of spring was 20th of March? doo I need to reset my watch? The Valley Vegan.................Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Fraggle> dunno about over thar..but..late january seems pretty mid winter to me> winter is december january and feb, crossing into march....(it generallysnows at least twice in the new england in march)OK, let's take this logically then.... If winter doesn't start untilDecember, then autumn must go on to December (or are you proposing thatthere's a fifth season?)... when did you last see autumn in December? Mindyou, I suppose you live in California, where everything is a bit odd!In the UK, it gets wintry at around the start of November. Spring startsaround early February when the early plants start to flower - that sticksmidwinter pretty much mid December. And since we were celebrating midwinterin December (St Lucy's Day - 13th December before the 1752) in Britain forat least 1000 years before Europeans marched across to America, I think ourmidwinter has some traditional claim of accuracy.BBPeter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Hi Fraggle > u sayin there was no winter here before there were europeans then? > interesting thought Nope - but in typical modern way of thinking, Americans still follow a mid-winter celebration at a time when, according to you, is not mid-winter in their area! > now if you wanna go by calendar...then > officially winter began yesterday.... > first day of spring is april > that would make mid winter smack dab in feb! Ummm - don't know what calendar you're using, but it would appear that in your calendar, the spring equinox occurs before the start of spring. That's one heck of a weird calendar. Just as a matter of interest, why is it that in the past few weeks you've felt it necessary to argue with just about everything that I've posted? Have you been got at by Lynda or something???? BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 i was gonna say the same about you mr peter sir.. >Peter <metalscarab >Dec 22, 2005 1:03 PM > >Re: merry > >Hi Fraggle > >> u sayin there was no winter here before there were europeans then? >> interesting thought > >Nope - but in typical modern way of thinking, Americans still follow a >mid-winter celebration at a time when, according to you, is not mid-winter >in their area! > >> now if you wanna go by calendar...then >> officially winter began yesterday.... >> first day of spring is april >> that would make mid winter smack dab in feb! > >Ummm - don't know what calendar you're using, but it would appear that in >your calendar, the spring equinox occurs before the start of spring. That's >one heck of a weird calendar. > >Just as a matter of interest, why is it that in the past few weeks you've >felt it necessary to argue with just about everything that I've posted? Have >you been got at by Lynda or something???? > >BB >Peter > > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Times up, you only paid for the 10 minute arguement. The Valley Vegan...............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: i was gonna say the same about you mr peter sir..>Peter >Dec 22, 2005 1:03 PM> >Re: merry>>Hi Fraggle>>> u sayin there was no winter here before there were europeans then?>> interesting thought>>Nope - but in typical modern way of thinking, Americans still follow a>mid-winter celebration at a time when, according to you, is not mid-winter>in their area!>>> now if you wanna go by calendar...then>> officially winter began yesterday....>> first day of spring is april>> that would make mid winter smack dab in feb!>>Ummm - don't know what calendar you're using, but it would appear that in>your calendar, the spring equinox occurs before the start of spring. That's>one heck of a weird calendar.>>Just as a matter of interest, why is it that in the past few weeks you've>felt it necessary to argue with just about everything that I've posted? Have>you been got at by Lynda or something????>>BB>Peter>>>>>To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 that was never ten minutes! peter hurd Dec 22, 2005 1:10 PM Re: merry Times up, you only paid for the 10 minute arguement. The Valley Vegan...............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: i was gonna say the same about you mr peter sir..>Peter >Dec 22, 2005 1:03 PM> >Re: merry>>Hi Fraggle>>> u sayin there was no winter here before there were europeans then?>> interesting thought>>Nope - but in typical modern way of thinking, Americans still follow a>mid-winter celebration at a time when, according to you, is not mid-winter>in their area!>>> now if you wanna go by calendar...then>> officially winter began yesterday....>> first day of spring is april>> that would make mid winter smack dab in feb!>>Ummm - don't know what calendar you're using, but it would appear that in>your calendar, the spring equinox occurs before the start of spring. That's>one heck of a weird calendar.>>Just as a matter of interest, why is it that in the past few weeks you've>felt it necessary to argue with just about everything that I've posted? Have>you been got at by Lynda or something????>>BB>Peter>>>>>To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Sorry, but your time is up! Bono: "Seriously, his daughter is called Peaches, now leave it, he's getting very tetchy" The Valley Vegan...............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: that was never ten minutes! peter hurd Dec 22, 2005 1:10 PM Re: merry Times up, you only paid for the 10 minute arguement. The Valley Vegan...............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: i was gonna say the same about you mr peter sir..>Peter >Dec 22, 2005 1:03 PM> >Re: merry>>Hi Fraggle>>> u sayin there was no winter here before there were europeans then?>> interesting thought>>Nope - but in typical modern way of thinking, Americans still follow a>mid-winter celebration at a time when, according to you, is not mid-winter>in their area!>>> now if you wanna go by calendar...then>> officially winter began yesterday....>> first day of spring is april>> that would make mid winter smack dab in feb!>>Ummm - don't know what calendar you're using, but it would appear that in>your calendar, the spring equinox occurs before the start of spring. That's>one heck of a weird calendar.>>Just as a matter of interest, why is it that in the past few weeks you've>felt it necessary to argue with just about everything that I've posted? Have>you been got at by Lynda or something????>>BB>Peter>>>>>To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Hi Fraggle > i was gonna say the same about you mr peter sir.. But you may have noticed a subtle difference... I tend to disagree in a joking way (believe it or not, I completely made up National Potato Day). On the other side of the coin, you even challenged me on the Druids issue when someone asked a question... that would be like me challenging you on beer. I actually gave up posting anything " serious " a couple of weeks ago, and even when I'm joking, you seem to want to turn it into an argument! To be blunt, I'm a little p***ed off with not being able to just have a bit of fun without it being turned into some sort of argument. I mean, just lighten up. BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 No it's not. Midwinter is 21 December, sometimes 22nd. Winter starts at Samhain - 30 October, and goes round to Imbolc - 1 February. Besides which, is it worth arguing about? Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Thursday, December 22, 2005 5:52 PM Re: merry > did a quick search on the term " mid winter " > every mid winter festival, sale, anything..is in late january, early feb.... > > dunno about over thar..but..late january seems pretty mid winter to me > winter is december january and feb, crossing into march....(it generally snows at least twice in the new england in march) > > > >Peter <metalscarab > >Dec 22, 2005 5:46 AM > > > >Re: merry > > > >Hi Fraggle > > > >> wouldn't midwinter be the late january/early feb.? > > > >I think you may be misunderstanding the " mid " part of mid-winter. It means > > " in the middle of... " , and therefore means the central point of winter. If > >midwinter was early february, then midsummer would have to be early > >august.... > > > >BB > >Peter > > > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Well you have your midwinter and we'll have ours. Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Thursday, December 22, 2005 7:42 PM Re: merry > u sayin there was no winter here before there were europeans then? > interesting thought > > winter holds fer most of the northern tier of staes(not including alaska) up until march > new york and New england still get snow thru march, tho the crocuses use to come up around march 3-10th > > in california...at least the bay area..it doesn;t get " cold " til well into december... > today its about 64F...rainin tho.... > it'll chill down again in january. > > now if you wanna go by calendar...then > officially winter began yesterday.... > > first day of spring is april > that would make mid winter smack dab in feb! > > > > >Peter <metalscarab > >Dec 22, 2005 11:04 AM > > > >Re: merry > > > >Hi Fraggle > > > >> dunno about over thar..but..late january seems pretty mid winter to me > >> winter is december january and feb, crossing into march....(it generally > >snows at least twice in the new england in march) > > > >OK, let's take this logically then.... If winter doesn't start until > >December, then autumn must go on to December (or are you proposing that > >there's a fifth season?)... when did you last see autumn in December? Mind > >you, I suppose you live in California, where everything is a bit odd! > > > >In the UK, it gets wintry at around the start of November. Spring starts > >around early February when the early plants start to flower - that sticks > >midwinter pretty much mid December. And since we were celebrating midwinter > >in December (St Lucy's Day - 13th December before the 1752) in Britain for > >at least 1000 years before Europeans marched across to America, I think our > >midwinter has some traditional claim of accuracy. > > > >BB > >Peter > > > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 You'r thinking of the Equinox. Jo - peter hurd Thursday, December 22, 2005 8:02 PM Re: merry I always thought that the first day of spring was 20th of March? doo I need to reset my watch? The Valley Vegan.................Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Fraggle> dunno about over thar..but..late january seems pretty mid winter to me> winter is december january and feb, crossing into march....(it generallysnows at least twice in the new england in march)OK, let's take this logically then.... If winter doesn't start untilDecember, then autumn must go on to December (or are you proposing thatthere's a fifth season?)... when did you last see autumn in December? Mindyou, I suppose you live in California, where everything is a bit odd!In the UK, it gets wintry at around the start of November. Spring startsaround early February when the early plants start to flower - that sticksmidwinter pretty much mid December. And since we were celebrating midwinterin December (St Lucy's Day - 13th December before the 1752) in Britain forat least 1000 years before Europeans marched across to America, I think ourmidwinter has some traditional claim of accuracy.BBPeter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 That's the Equinox, called the Spring Equinox because it is in the Spring, not because it starts it. Jo - fraggle Thursday, December 22, 2005 8:04 PM Re: merry yer right..march 21st.... peter hurd Dec 22, 2005 12:02 PM Re: merry I always thought that the first day of spring was 20th of March? doo I need to reset my watch? The Valley Vegan.................Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Fraggle> dunno about over thar..but..late january seems pretty mid winter to me> winter is december january and feb, crossing into march....(it generallysnows at least twice in the new england in march)OK, let's take this logically then.... If winter doesn't start untilDecember, then autumn must go on to December (or are you proposing thatthere's a fifth season?)... when did you last see autumn in December? Mindyou, I suppose you live in California, where everything is a bit odd!In the UK, it gets wintry at around the start of November. Spring startsaround early February when the early plants start to flower - that sticksmidwinter pretty much mid December. And since we were celebrating midwinterin December (St Lucy's Day - 13th December before the 1752) in Britain forat least 1000 years before Europeans marched across to America, I think ourmidwinter has some traditional claim of accuracy.BBPeter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Nuts in the fridge! Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Thursday, December 22, 2005 9:08 PM Re: merry > i was gonna say the same about you mr peter sir.. > > > >Peter <metalscarab > >Dec 22, 2005 1:03 PM > > > >Re: merry > > > >Hi Fraggle > > > >> u sayin there was no winter here before there were europeans then? > >> interesting thought > > > >Nope - but in typical modern way of thinking, Americans still follow a > >mid-winter celebration at a time when, according to you, is not mid-winter > >in their area! > > > >> now if you wanna go by calendar...then > >> officially winter began yesterday.... > >> first day of spring is april > >> that would make mid winter smack dab in feb! > > > >Ummm - don't know what calendar you're using, but it would appear that in > >your calendar, the spring equinox occurs before the start of spring. That's > >one heck of a weird calendar. > > > >Just as a matter of interest, why is it that in the past few weeks you've > >felt it necessary to argue with just about everything that I've posted? Have > >you been got at by Lynda or something???? > > > >BB > >Peter > > > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Alright you two, second warning, now go back to your corners , and come out laughing or else! The Valley Vegan.............Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Fraggle> i was gonna say the same about you mr peter sir..But you may have noticed a subtle difference... I tend to disagree in ajoking way (believe it or not, I completely made up National Potato Day). Onthe other side of the coin, you even challenged me on the Druids issue whensomeone asked a question... that would be like me challenging you on beer.I actually gave up posting anything "serious" a couple of weeks ago, andeven when I'm joking, you seem to want to turn it into an argument! To beblunt, I'm a little p***ed off with not being able to just have a bit of funwithout it being turned into some sort of argument.I mean, just lighten up.BBPeter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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