Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 You know, I`d like to think that you are joking?, what with all the poverty and suffering in the world, and all the seriously polluted cities of the world, but I guess your not? Are there really that gullable , money to burn types over there? Is it supposed to be medicinal in some way? The Valley Vegan................fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: you have to order yer oxygen special in a bar here peter hurd Nov 30, 2005 11:09 AM Re: Re: Dining out-rant Did he bring his own oxygen as well? The Valley Vegan............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: the carnie at our haus(who was "mostly veg" when he moved in, tho that turned out to be a lie) has his own plates and cooking stuff...he has his own sponge, etc... peter hurd Nov 30, 2005 10:51 AM Re: Re: Dining out-rant I`m sorry, but if someone served me food on a paper plate, I would probably feel annoyed.Why not put a Big sign above theor chair as well marked "MEAT EATER" For gods sake, you do wash your plates don`t you? I think that this kind of behaviour is a little hypocritical, after all us vegans hate being singled out at meal times don`t we?, so why do it back? don`t make sense to me. I guess that you dont share a house with a carnie? The Valley Vegan.................................... For the true who've remained and the new blood.Motivation, undying allegianceStriving through the hardships and affliction. Every drop of bloodEvery bitter tearEvery bead of sweatI live for this sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001 wrote: when I go to my families house/in laws house they will make food for me that is vegan friendly(veggies/salad/fruit)I don't ask them to go out of their way to make me a tofu meal(they wouldn't know how to anyway).I am not much of a cook so if we have people here at the house we order in food(that I don't eat),we use paper plates for themjo <jo.heartwork wrote: I reckon it's a good idea to always take a bag of mixed nuts with you wheneating out - then if there is no protein in the dish you are given you caneat the nuts and tell them that vegans need protein too and the meal doesn'thave any!This is not a suggestion or an adverse comment either - it is just ananomaly that I haven't reconciled in my mind yet. We say 'when people visitus they eat what we cook (i.e. no animal ingredients) and yet we complainwhen they won't cook food different to their normal food for us. Surely ifwe expect them to cook special food for our tastes, we should cook food forthem for their tastes. As I said, I am not suggesting that we all cookmeat, cheese etc for our guests, but bearing this in mind, can we really askthem to cook special food for us?Jo----- Original Message -----"herbvalerian" <herbvalerianWednesday, November 30, 2005 5:24 PM Re: Dining out-rant> Hi,> This can be a difficult one.> I rarely go out to restaurants because there are no exclusively vegetarianrestaurants> round here, tho we have a couple of vegetarian cafes and a pub which issupposed to be> vegetarian.> Fortunately my other half is trying to be vegan and is totally vegetarianso we don't have> conflict about where we go.> When we do go out we usually go to to British Indian restaurants as theyseem to> understand about the ethics of vegetarians and will check the ingredients.They always> have a vegtarian section on the menus. Our local indian restaurant has avegetarian chef.> He makes me a special dish I ask for (spinach and lentil curry) which isnot on the menu. If> we are going somehere new we usually phone ahead to check they havesomething and if> they seem funny on the phone we don't go.> I have not been to a meat based restaurant in many years, in fact I cannotremember it> must have been so long ago. In fact I am not sure I have ever been to oneas I have been a> veggie for 24 years now, all my adult life. I too would be concerned aboututensils if I went> to a meat based restaurant, it is the main reason I would not go to one.> It is a really good idea to phone ahead when eating out and check. Ifthere is nothing for> you there be> assertive with your family and find a better restaurant. "Let your fingersdo the walking"> through the phone book and make some calls! You have to convince thefamily that you> are going to decide where to eat because they can eat anywhere, you can't!Once you do> this a few times you will be able to build up a list of places where youknow you can eat> safely and the staff will remember you, particularly if you are polite.Stay away from fast> food places unless you know one where you can get what you want. I don'tknow about the> kitchens but the staff change too much to get to know you.> If you are just eating salads and steamed veggies you are not going to begetting a> balanced diet. Vegans need nuts, tofu, beans etc.> We attended a freind's wedding reception a while ago. The only thing theygave me was a> plain salad. I was disgusted, it as the worst meal I had had out in myentire life, but of> course I could not say any thing for risk of offending the bride andgroom.> Mostly we eat at home with home cooked stuff. I often eat at my next doorneighbour's> house. She is an arabic muslim and she understands about dietaryrestrictions. I make a> curry or a stew or similar main course dish to take there and she makessome rice and> salad to go with it, and we have a great time stuffing our faces. Sheoften> cooks stuff for me and brings it round in a pot. At first I think shecooked it in the same> pot as meat but she knows better now as I have trained her mind on this.> I hope you don't mind me asking but don't you find it difficult livingwith meat eaters?> Most of my friends are either veggie or veggie friendly. I could not cookmeat for anyone,> no way. If non vegans come round for a meal they get what we eat.> Also, you say you are the only vegan you know of. This must be reallyhard. If you could> find some other Vegans it wuld give you moral support. Perhaps yo couldfind out if there> are any groups in your area and join. Sometimes you can find vegans inrelated> organisations. I know a few through a wholefood co-op I am in. Also I knowsome> vegetarians through friends who introduced me to them.> If you tell the group the area you live in, they may be able to suggestwhere to find other> vegans.> Let us know how you get on.> Herb,> Tyneside,> UK> , "Sandi" <sandisweeti13132001>wrote:> >> > I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you> > find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all> > meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed> > veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about> > the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens> > maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items> > to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home> > then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I> > live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier> > to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate> > the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being> > a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding> > cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot> > as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone> > else feel like me> >>>>>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 oxygen bars are quite popular with a certain crowd they've been al lthe rage in Asia since the 80's... there's one in SF..scented oxygen....(along with sushi and tea) *shrug* never been..couldn't tell ya hey..the way things are going, we might all have to be buying oxygen soon.... peter hurd Nov 30, 2005 12:11 PM Re: Re: Dining out-on Oxygen You know, I`d like to think that you are joking?, what with all the poverty and suffering in the world, and all the seriously polluted cities of the world, but I guess your not? Are there really that gullable , money to burn types over there? Is it supposed to be medicinal in some way? The Valley Vegan................fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: you have to order yer oxygen special in a bar here peter hurd Nov 30, 2005 11:09 AM Re: Re: Dining out-rant Did he bring his own oxygen as well? The Valley Vegan............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: the carnie at our haus(who was "mostly veg" when he moved in, tho that turned out to be a lie) has his own plates and cooking stuff...he has his own sponge, etc... peter hurd Nov 30, 2005 10:51 AM Re: Re: Dining out-rant I`m sorry, but if someone served me food on a paper plate, I would probably feel annoyed.Why not put a Big sign above theor chair as well marked "MEAT EATER" For gods sake, you do wash your plates don`t you? I think that this kind of behaviour is a little hypocritical, after all us vegans hate being singled out at meal times don`t we?, so why do it back? don`t make sense to me. I guess that you dont share a house with a carnie? The Valley Vegan.................................... For the true who've remained and the new blood.Motivation, undying allegianceStriving through the hardships and affliction. Every drop of bloodEvery bitter tearEvery bead of sweatI live for this sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001 wrote: when I go to my families house/in laws house they will make food for me that is vegan friendly(veggies/salad/fruit)I don't ask them to go out of their way to make me a tofu meal(they wouldn't know how to anyway).I am not much of a cook so if we have people here at the house we order in food(that I don't eat),we use paper plates for themjo <jo.heartwork wrote: I reckon it's a good idea to always take a bag of mixed nuts with you wheneating out - then if there is no protein in the dish you are given you caneat the nuts and tell them that vegans need protein too and the meal doesn'thave any!This is not a suggestion or an adverse comment either - it is just ananomaly that I haven't reconciled in my mind yet. We say 'when people visitus they eat what we cook (i.e. no animal ingredients) and yet we complainwhen they won't cook food different to their normal food for us. Surely ifwe expect them to cook special food for our tastes, we should cook food forthem for their tastes. As I said, I am not suggesting that we all cookmeat, cheese etc for our guests, but bearing this in mind, can we really askthem to cook special food for us?Jo-"herbvalerian" <herbvalerianWednesday, November 30, 2005 5:24 PM Re: Dining out-rant> Hi,> This can be a difficult one.> I rarely go out to restaurants because there are no exclusively vegetarianrestaurants> round here, tho we have a couple of vegetarian cafes and a pub which issupposed to be> vegetarian.> Fortunately my other half is trying to be vegan and is totally vegetarianso we don't have> conflict about where we go.> When we do go out we usually go to to British Indian restaurants as theyseem to> understand about the ethics of vegetarians and will check the ingredients.They always> have a vegtarian section on the menus. Our local indian restaurant has avegetarian chef.> He makes me a special dish I ask for (spinach and lentil curry) which isnot on the menu. If> we are going somehere new we usually phone ahead to check they havesomething and if> they seem funny on the phone we don't go.> I have not been to a meat based restaurant in many years, in fact I cannotremember it> must have been so long ago. In fact I am not sure I have ever been to oneas I have been a> veggie for 24 years now, all my adult life. I too would be concerned aboututensils if I went> to a meat based restaurant, it is the main reason I would not go to one.> It is a really good idea to phone ahead when eating out and check. Ifthere is nothing for> you there be> assertive with your family and find a better restaurant. "Let your fingersdo the walking"> through the phone book and make some calls! You have to convince thefamily that you> are going to decide where to eat because they can eat anywhere, you can't!Once you do> this a few times you will be able to build up a list of places where youknow you can eat> safely and the staff will remember you, particularly if you are polite.Stay away from fast> food places unless you know one where you can get what you want. I don'tknow about the> kitchens but the staff change too much to get to know you.> If you are just eating salads and steamed veggies you are not going to begetting a> balanced diet. Vegans need nuts, tofu, beans etc.> We attended a freind's wedding reception a while ago. The only thing theygave me was a> plain salad. I was disgusted, it as the worst meal I had had out in myentire life, but of> course I could not say any thing for risk of offending the bride andgroom.> Mostly we eat at home with home cooked stuff. I often eat at my next doorneighbour's> house. She is an arabic muslim and she understands about dietaryrestrictions. I make a> curry or a stew or similar main course dish to take there and she makessome rice and> salad to go with it, and we have a great time stuffing our faces. Sheoften> cooks stuff for me and brings it round in a pot. At first I think shecooked it in the same> pot as meat but she knows better now as I have trained her mind on this.> I hope you don't mind me asking but don't you find it difficult livingwith meat eaters?> Most of my friends are either veggie or veggie friendly. I could not cookmeat for anyone,> no way. If non vegans come round for a meal they get what we eat.> Also, you say you are the only vegan you know of. This must be reallyhard. If you could> find some other Vegans it wuld give you moral support. Perhaps yo couldfind out if there> are any groups in your area and join. Sometimes you can find vegans inrelated> organisations. I know a few through a wholefood co-op I am in. Also I knowsome> vegetarians through friends who introduced me to them.> If you tell the group the area you live in, they may be able to suggestwhere to find other> vegans.> Let us know how you get on.> Herb,> Tyneside,> UK> , "Sandi" <sandisweeti13132001>wrote:> >> > I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you> > find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all> > meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed> > veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about> > the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens> > maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items> > to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home> > then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I> > live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier> > to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate> > the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being> > a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding> > cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot> > as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone> > else feel like me> >>>>>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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