Jazz is American

[Guest guest]

Hi peter,

 

I COMPLETELY disagree with you.

 

I don't believe that the roots of Jazz coming from New Orleans

has ever been disputed, being that they where playing this type

of music there, long before it being popular in the rest of America,

that is before the 1920's.

 

Blues, was develope out of the sad songs, made up of the memories of

years of slavery. These situations, where happening in America, not

Africa. Gospel, Drum expressions, rhytmic expressions came out of the

experiences of NEW WORLD slavery.

 

In a way Jazz, Ragtime and blues happened BECAUSE of slavery. There

is no Bourbon st. in Africa, There is no Harlem in Africa. These were Am

erican situations, very unique to the South Plantation states, but

also occuring in saloons cities like st.louis and baltimore.

 

to say that jazz isn't american is like saying that samba isn't from

brazil. rumba, mambo isn't cuban, and plena/bomba isn't puerto rican

and reggae isn't jamaican.

 

all of these had african roots, but their UNIQUe sounds, that is, what

identifies them as such, occured specifically in these countries.

 

 

slaves had been calling themselves Americans since the 1740s,

regardless of their inequalities with their white masters. Gospel, was

expresse in American churches.

 

the people that started ragtime music(precursor to jazz) in the 1890's

had been in

american for a good one hundred years.

 

slavery was abolished in 1865, and the music coming from that

particular culture was Endemic to the south and the hardships that

they faced in the south.

 

 

the circumstances that give birth to a particular kind of music,

has a lot to do with what is happening in that culture, at a specific

time, in that specific decade.

 

The slaves of Africa came from many different tribes, as varied as

the many different tribes of the Native american Indians,

 

therefore, had very little in common with each other and where

distintly different, as diverse as africa itself. except for the fact

that they where slaves. Which was a UNIQUELY American situation. At

least six tribes, this was done on purpose.

 

 

Music that is immensely popular today, such as, Reggaeton,and new Bachata

could not have happened in any other decade but this one and is unique

to immigrant groups in specific cities. they are a distortion of

african rhtyms but are not AFRICAN.

 

 

Music is Social, Political, Circumstancial, Specific, Evolving !!!

 

-anouk

 

 

 

 

, peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

> It is said that the blues were born out of the plantations/cotton

fields/slavery, with most (all) the slaves coming from Africa, using

African, phrasing / music as a starter.

>

> The Valley Vegan............

>

> Jonnie Hellens <jonnie_hellens> wrote:

> Wait, I thought R & B/The Blues had it's origin here in the states?

>

> peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: I suppose technically it could be

argued that rock n roll had its roots in R & B/The blues which has its

origins to another continent......etc, etc. So I have to be pedantic

and say NO! Try again!

>

> The Valley Vegan...........

>

>

> fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

> rock n roll?

>

[Guest guest]

Each entitled to their own opinion boyo! read again what I was saying, the music had its ROOTS/ORIGINS. I didnt say that New Orleans Jazz didnt come from New Orleans, or that ska & rocksteady didnt come from Jamaica......Nice bit of passion in your message. Always nice to envoke a reaction, shows we are all still alive and indiviuals.

 

The Valley Vegan..........

No pop no style - I'm strictly roots Anouk Sickler <zurumato wrote:

Hi peter,I COMPLETELY disagree with you. I don't believe that the roots of Jazz coming from New Orleans has ever been disputed, being that they where playing this typeof music there, long before it being popular in the rest of America,that is before the 1920's.Blues, was develope out of the sad songs, made up of the memories ofyears of slavery. These situations, where happening in America, notAfrica. Gospel, Drum expressions, rhytmic expressions came out of theexperiences of NEW WORLD slavery. In a way Jazz, Ragtime and blues happened BECAUSE of slavery. Thereis no Bourbon st. in Africa, There is no Harlem in Africa. These were American situations, very unique to the South Plantation states, butalso occuring in saloons cities like st.louis and baltimore. to say that jazz isn't american is like saying that

samba isn't frombrazil. rumba, mambo isn't cuban, and plena/bomba isn't puerto ricanand reggae isn't jamaican. all of these had african roots, but their UNIQUe sounds, that is, what identifies them as such, occured specifically in these countries. slaves had been calling themselves Americans since the 1740s,regardless of their inequalities with their white masters. Gospel, wasexpresse in American churches.the people that started ragtime music(precursor to jazz) in the 1890'shad been in american for a good one hundred years. slavery was abolished in 1865, and the music coming from thatparticular culture was Endemic to the south and the hardships that they faced in the south. the circumstances that give birth to a particular kind of music, has a lot to do with what is happening in that culture, at a specific time, in that specific decade. The slaves of Africa came from many different

tribes, as varied as the many different tribes of the Native american Indians, therefore, had very little in common with each other and wheredistintly different, as diverse as africa itself. except for the factthat they where slaves. Which was a UNIQUELY American situation. Atleast six tribes, this was done on purpose. Music that is immensely popular today, such as, Reggaeton,and new Bachatacould not have happened in any other decade but this one and is uniqueto immigrant groups in specific cities. they are a distortion ofafrican rhtyms but are not AFRICAN. Music is Social, Political, Circumstancial, Specific, Evolving !!! -anouk , peter hurd wrote:> It is said that the blues were born out of the plantations/cottonfields/slavery, with most (all) the slaves coming from Africa, usingAfrican, phrasing / music as a starter.> >

The Valley Vegan............> > Jonnie Hellens wrote:> Wait, I thought R & B/The Blues had it's origin here in the states? > > peter hurd wrote: I suppose technically it could beargued that rock n roll had its roots in R & B/The blues which has itsorigins to another continent......etc, etc. So I have to be pedanticand say NO! Try again!> > The Valley Vegan...........> > > fraggle wrote:> rock n roll?>